UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #6

[TaylorCallum]

I know, although didn’t Ian Huntley get boiling water chucked in his face and i’m also sure someone attacked him with a razor. I’d rather these types of incidents rather than death, it’s too easy.

Oh yeah he did, that's right. Surprising though that if people have got close enough to do that to him they've not managed to kill him.

 

[Eve71]

Do we think he’ll get killed in prison? He’s not gna be protected in solitary forever, some point they’ll get to him, someone high profile like him too someone will want the recognition of murdering him. Like Jeffrey Dahmer.

I doubt he will, he’ll be protected to the hilt. I’m sure they’ll be instances when he gets hurt but he’ll survive, unless he kills himself. He may even go insane like Brady. Personally, I hope he lives a very, very long time banged up until removed in a coffin. He’s 16 ,a year is a long time at that age, 30 would feel like an eternity. I hope Aleshas face haunts him everyday and night and he never feels a moments peace. He may very well have PlayStations and TV but he’s lost his liberty and any future has gone. I’d rather be dead then face a lifetime of confinement, most likely in solitary. When his time comes, he’s going straight to hell.

 

[Edinlass]

Eww imagine. But I feel like Aaron might not even do that because he still claims innocence, so he might maintain his innocence even with other child killers? Unless he thinks they won't tell anyone.

That’s true. Plus he’s from what appears to be a comfortable background whereas most of the guys in Polmont will be from rough backgrounds, he probably won’t have came across the likes of anyone like that in the tranquil of Bute. I can imagine them thinking he’s a bit of a weirdo aswell. Polmont will be worse for him I think because there’s really no offender there that has carried out a crime this horrendous. By the time he gets to Shotts this case will have been forgotten about by most inmates, it is 4-5 years away. Hopefully not though, most prisoners in Scotland are petty crime criminals, we’re not hootching with child killers really. These are few and far between so let’s hope he isn’t forgotten about. But with that in mind life could be exptremely hard for him just now, he’ll probaly not be leaving his cell. I’d go as far to say he is probably excercising / fresh air walks at different times to the other inmates too.

 

[TaylorCallum]

That’s true. Plus he’s from what appears to be a comfortable background whereas most of the guys in Polmont will be from rough backgrounds, he probably won’t have came across the likes of anyone like that in the tranquil of Bute. I can imagine them thinking he’s a bit of a weirdo aswell. Polmont will be worse for him I think because there’s really no offender there that has carried out a crime this horrendous. By the time he gets to Shotts this case will have been forgotten about by most inmates, it is 4-5 years away. And really most prisoners in Scotland are petty crime criminals, we’re not hootching with child killers really. These are few and far between. So with that in mind life could be exptremely hard for him just now, he’ll probaly not be leaving his cell. I’d go as far to say he is probably excercising / fresh air walks at different times to the other inmates too.

Yeah, you're right. I think it will very much be a bit of a shock to him. Although really the other inmates have more reason to be wary/freaked out of him than the other way around. Yes, I'm sure they do. True, things are quickly forgotten. I'm sure there will be more horrible crimes to have happened in the intervening years, unfortunately. Not quite as awful as this though I imagine. I know, a lot of people in prison will be just as sickened as non-criminals about this crime. Yeah, I doubt he is. I mean that article said he just plays his Xbox all day and only speaks to guards which makes sense. I'm sure he is segregated for exercise as well like you said. I know somebody who's in Polmont right now, I wonder if I should contact them, I doubt they'll know anything because he's kept separate but I might send a letter just to see lol.

 

[Yenriac]

Do we think he’ll get killed in prison? He’s not gna be protected in solitary forever, some point they’ll get to him, someone high profile like him too someone will want the recognition of murdering him. Like Jeffrey Dahmer.

He'll probably be kept in a special unit in adult prison with other child rapists, murderers and sex offenders. They are usually housed separately from the rest of the prison population.

 

[Yenriac]

These types probably all speak about there crimes together, makes me sick tbh.

Yeah. Feed each others sick thoughts.

 

[Yenriac]

Is it definitely different on this specific matter?

I'm pretty sure that AC won't be able to say he's not going to court on the 21st March. He has no choice, he's already in prison. I have a family member who works in the Glasgow Procurator Fiscals office. I'm waiting on them getting back to me with further clarification.

I'm not sure about England but in Scotland, if you are charged with a crime and don't turn up to court then an arrest warrant is issued. That suggests to me that someone awaiting sentencing must attend court.
Also the judge does a sentencing statement which is spoken directly to the convict. I can't see the judge making a statement to a prisoner that isn't there.

 

[Edinlass]

Yeah, you're right. I think it will very much be a bit of a shock to him. Although really the other inmates have more reason to be wary/freaked out of him than the other way around. Yes, I'm sure they do. True, things are quickly forgotten. I'm sure there will be more horrible crimes to have happened in the intervening years, unfortunately. Not quite as awful as this though I imagine. I know, a lot of people in prison will be just as sickened as non-criminals about this crime. Yeah, I doubt he is. I mean that article said he just plays his Xbox all day and only speaks to guards which makes sense. I'm sure he is segregated for exercise as well like you said. I know somebody who's in Polmont right now, I wonder if I should contact them, I doubt they'll know anything because he's kept separate but I might send a letter just to see lol.

Oh yeah do, would be interesting to hear anything!A woman I work with her husband used to be based in Polmont as an prison officer but he’s not there anymore he’s in Corton Vale, where the suicide rate is beyond ridiculous. They should of shoved AC in there, let the woman get him.

 

[Edinlass]

I'm pretty sure that AC won't be able to say he's not going to court on the 21st March. He has no choice, he's already in prison. I have a family member who works in the Glasgow Procurator Fiscals office. I'm waiting on them getting back to me with further clarification.

I'm not sure about England but in Scotland, if you are charged with a crime and don't turn up to court then an arrest warrant is issued. That suggests to me that someone awaiting sentencing must attend court.
Also the judge does a sentencing statement which is spoken directly to the convict. I can't see the judge making a statement to a prisoner that isn't there.

Yes and the fact that he was big enough to take the stand I don’t think he will have any choice but to attend, quite rightly so. I thought that when they overturned the anonymity he might have not attended, but he did. I used to work for Sheriff Officers and remanded prisoners are also cited with a court document to attend court, I actually went out with one of the officers to personally serve it to a prisoner in Saughton. He was a convicted paedophile, it made my stomach turn. I was only about 20!

 

[Cherwell]

I'm pretty sure that AC won't be able to say he's not going to court on the 21st March. He has no choice, he's already in prison. I have a family member who works in the Glasgow Procurator Fiscals office. I'm waiting on them getting back to me with further clarification.

I'm not sure about England but in Scotland, if you are charged with a crime and don't turn up to court then an arrest warrant is issued. That suggests to me that someone awaiting sentencing must attend court.
Also the judge does a sentencing statement which is spoken directly to the convict. I can't see the judge making a statement to a prisoner that isn't there.

I am sure about England though, and as unlikely as it sounds, a convicted criminal isn't obliged to attend sentencing, even though already in custody. They should be IMO, it's all kinds of wrong.

Look forward to hearing what your relative can confirm.

Either way I'll be surprised if Aaron doesn't attend sentencing. I imagine he might enjoy being told how evil he is.

 

[Yenriac]

I am sure about England though, and as unlikely as it sounds, a convicted criminal isn't obliged to attend sentencing, even though already in custody. They should be IMO, it's all kinds of wrong.

Look forward to hearing what your relative can confirm.

I never said you weren't sure. Everyone should attend for sentencing IMO.
Edited, didnt realise you had mentioned that even in custody they have the choice.

 

[Cherwell]

I never said you weren't sure.

I was just responding to your "I'm not sure about England", ie you're not, but I am.
Perhaps I should have bolded the 'I' instead of the 'am'

 

[Yenriac]

I am sure about England though, and as unlikely as it sounds, a convicted criminal isn't obliged to attend sentencing, even though already in custody. They should be IMO, it's all kinds of wrong.

Look forward to hearing what your relative can confirm.

Either way I'll be surprised if Aaron doesn't attend sentencing. I imagine he might enjoy being told how evil he is.

My relative hasn't got back to me however i have spoken with someone who was convicted of attempted murder at the high court in glasgow (out now)
He was on bail before the trial, during the trial he was remanded, once convicted he was not given the choice on whether or not he was to attend for sentencing, he had to attend.
I have also spoken with 2 other folk who plead guilty (same crime) at the high court after being out on bail. Both had to attend for their sentencing.

 

[Yenriac]

Just got this from my relative who is a lawyer and works for the Procurator Fiscal office:

Normally an accused has to appear in person for sentencing. If he's remanded in custody he would normally be brought out for the appearance. There have been occasions where an accused refuses to attend and the judge might accept his non-attendance as in certain circumstances, forcing him to attend may be seen as a human rights violation. In other words they usually attend but sometimes they don't. Legal stuff is never absolutely certain. Nothing's ever black and white with law. The type of case matters as well.

So the judge has to accept the non-attendance. I can't imagine the judge accepting his non attendance, he's took the stand, lied, he's been named. He has no special circumstances to consider.

 

[bronzepurple]

Where is the sentencing taking place? Meaning which court house? I am considering attending on the 21st but not sure...

 

[Yenriac]

Where is the sentencing taking place? Meaning which court house? I am considering attending on the 21st but not sure...I'd have to travel a bit.

High Court of Glasgow.

 

[Cherwell]

Just got this from my relative who is a lawyer and works for the Procurator Fiscal office:

Normally an accused has to appear in person for sentencing. If he's remanded in custody he would normally be brought out for the appearance. There have been occasions where an accused refuses to attend and the judge might accept his non-attendance as in certain circumstances, forcing him to attend may be seen as a human rights violation. In other words they usually attend but sometimes they don't. Legal stuff is never absolutely certain. Nothing's ever black and white with law. The type of case matters as well.

So the judge has to accept the non-attendance. I can't imagine the judge accepting his non attendance, he's took the stand, lied, he's been named. He has no special circumstances to consider.

Yep, there you go. "Human rights" tosh.
You would think that this is one right they have forfeited by committing the crime.

 

[bronzepurple]

High Court of Glasgow.

Thanks.

 

[Yenriac]

Yep, there you go. "Human rights" tosh. You would think that this is one right they have forfeited by committing the crime.

I know. Where was Alesha's human rights when the wee creep killed her.
So the answer is they are expected to attend, rarely there have been cases where the accused has refused.

 

[Yenriac]

My relative hasn't got back to me however i have spoken with someone who was convicted of attempted murder at the high court in glasgow (out now)
He was on bail before the trial, during the trial he was remanded, once convicted he was not given the choice on whether or not he was to attend for sentencing, he had to attend.
I have also spoken with 2 other folk who plead guilty (same crime) at the high court after being out on bail. Both had to attend for their sentencing.

Just to clarify on the above, at no point did their QC say to them, they didnt have to attend.