GUILTY UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #7

[Eve71]

It's the same story rehashed with a couple of tweaks,doesn't even need to have been a source at all,it's common knowledge that Chris Campbell did a bunk early on and left his wife to pick up the pieces,and it doesnt take a genius to work out that anyone visiting AC in polmont is going to be a target of abuse at the very least,so its easy to assume his mother would be scared of reprisals.So they can print that,pretend they have a source to cover their backs and away they go!
Nobody knows why JC hasn't visited her son,she may be scared,she may be disgusted,she may be a lot of things,but she may just need space and time to try and process everything that has happened.This woman has lost her entire life,her son is a brutal rapist and murderer and very possibly a dangerous psychopath,but he is her son and she can't change that,her marriage in is tatters,she is alone.Her home will never feel the same again,her friends may never look at her the same way,and she will always be wondering who is blaming her,second guessing if people she has known for years,has shared memories with,are looking at her or talking about her.All this to cope with whilst trying to get some kind of normality back for her daughter.
I wish the press would remember that they are human and leave this poor woman be![/QUOTE

We've got Jessica Ridgeway's murderer. He did attempt to kidnap a woman right before he kidnapped, actually assaulted and dismembered 10 year old Jessica but no prior criminal behavior otherwise. He was thought of as sweet and very smart by friends and neighbors. He was sentenced to life in prison.

Then there was little 6 year old Jenise Wright. Her 17 year old rapist and murderer was an athlete and well liked. He had zero criminal record. He was sentenced to a minimum of 40 years.

Six year old Alanna Gallagher's rapist and murderer had an extensive history of petty crimes and bullying. Antisocial behavior. He got life in prison.

I don't know about Scottish or British cases in general.

Harsher legal system? It’s full of plea bargaining and decades of death row backlog.

Sorry Hun, my quoting is all over the place tonight

 

[bluebird69]

Did anyone watch The Victim last night on BBC 1? I did and it gave me chills in light of this case. Just wondered if anyone else watched and felt the same with any similarities.

Yes I watched it and thought it almost made the case for not withholding name of the convicted. How awful to be wrongly suspected of such a crime. Mud sticks

Eta it's on again for the next three nights so will be a quick conclusion

 

[Eve71]

Harsher legal system? It’s full of plea bargaining and decades of death row backlog.[/QUOTE.

 

[Cappuccino]

Sounds interesting, I must take a look at that.

I watched a documentary about the Welsh Child Killer, Harold Jones the other night. He killed two young girls at the age of 15, was released 20 years later and was living in Hammersmith at the same time as the Hammersmith Nude Murders. The programme I watched made a good case that he was the Hammersmith killer too.

 

[Detective_dog]

Did anyone watch The Victim last night on BBC 1? I did and it gave me chills in light of this case. Just wondered if anyone else watched and felt the same with any similarities.

I watched it today on catchup. It made me think of Venables/Thompson and this case. It will be interesting to see how it plays out (the drama that is!).

 

[Yenriac]

Sounds interesting, I must take a look at that.

I watched a documentary about the Welsh Child Killer, Harold Jones the other night. He killed two young girls at the age of 15, was released 20 years later and was living in Hammersmith at the same time as the Hammersmith Nude Murders. The programme I watched made a good case that he was the Hammersmith killer too.

Also sounds interesting, i watched one today on Arthur Shawcross, it was an interview with him and also psychologists who assessed him.
Raped and murdered 2 kids in the 80's and only done 6 years (he plea bargained in America) for one of the murders.
When he was released he went on to murder 11 woman, there was quite good insight into the psychology side of things.

 

[Kiranerys]

I havent watched it yet,but as its based in Scotland does it draw any parallels with the Jamie Campbell case from 1990?

 

[Yenriac]

Aw i remember reading about that wee boy. Sad stuff.

 

[Ardoch]

I googled - poor wee soul. Well the last few posts have given me some ideas to watch. I've only just started Orange Is The.... but I don't reckon it's a typical prison.

 

[Yenriac]

I googled - poor wee soul. Well the last few posts have given me some ideas to watch. I've only just started Orange Is The.... but I don't reckon it's a typical prison.

No. It's definitely not, but it's good, i enjoyed it.

 

[Kikixxxx]

I havent watched it yet,but as its based in Scotland does it draw any parallels with the Jamie Campbell case from 1990?

Omg I’d never even heard of this case till I just googled. Why didn’t it get as much publicity as the Bulger case? Or did it at the time?

 

[Yenriac]

Omg I’d never even heard of this case till I just googled. Why didn’t it get as much publicity as the Bulger case? Or did it at the time?

No, hardly any publicity at the time, which is a shame. The area he went missing from in Glasgow was a very run down and poor area, not sure if that's why there was no publicity but places like that seem to get overlooked.

 

[Kiranerys]

Omg I’d never even heard of this case till I just googled. Why didn’t it get as much publicity as the Bulger case? Or did it at the time?

Nope,it didn't.Hardly anyone knows of it,it's sad poor little one

 

[Yenriac]

Nope,it didn't.Hardly anyone knows of it,it's sad poor little one

Pretty shocking and his killer has been out since 1999.

 

[Kiranerys]

Omg I’d never even heard of this case till I just googled. Why didn’t it get as much publicity as the Bulger case? Or did it at the time?

I think also with the Bulger case,they had the cctv showing the boys taking him and that added so much for the media at the time,it really pushed it home how unbelievable it was for 10 year old boys to do what they did,
In reality it's not nearly as unusual as they would have us believe unfortunately

 

[Kiranerys]

Pretty shocking and his killer has been out since 1999.

Yep,living his life,going about his business,even has facebook(or did) and nobody cares a bit,just goes to show the difference when there is no media frenzy!

 

[Yenriac]

I think also with the Bulger case,they had the cctv showing the boys taking him and that added so much for the media at the time,it really pushed it home how unbelievable it was for 10 year old boys to do what they did,
In reality it's not nearly as unusual as they would have us believe unfortunately

Yes, they had evidence to work with immediately but none for Jamie Campbell.
You know, I've always been against big brother watching and cctv etc but thankfully there was plenty of incriminating cctv to catch Alesha's killer on Bute.

 

[Yenriac]

Yep,living his life,going about his business,even has facebook(or did) and nobody cares a bit,just goes to show the difference when there is no media frenzy!

I know, i can't quite believe he was only 11 at the time.

 

[gitana1]

Harsher legal system? It’s full of plea bargaining and decades of death row backlog.

Sorry Hun, my quoting is all over the place tonight

Yes. It is vastly harsher than the legal system in the U.K.

We have a massively greater percentage of our population incarcerated than in the U.K., we legislate morality more (so more things are criminalized), we have vastly longer sentences, we have much worse prison conditions and we have the death penalty.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/sentencing.pdf

Prison Sentences in America Compared to Other Countries - ATTN:

https://cdn.penalreform.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PRI_Life-Imprisonment-Briefing.pdf

States of Incarceration: The Global Context 2018

An alarming number of countries used the death penalty to tackle real or perceived threats to state security linked to terrorism, crime or internal instability in 2014, Amnesty International found in its annual review of the death penalty worldwide.

 

[Kiranerys]

Yes, they had evidence to work with immediately but none for Jamie Campbell.
You know, I've always been against big brother watching and cctv etc but thankfully there was plenty of incriminating cctv to catch Alesha's killer on Bute.

Yep,it's swings and roundabouts with all the cctv I think, and there are undeniably cases where it has been absolutely invaluable.
As with Aaron Campbell and Thompson and Venables,so it serves it's purpose.
Like you though,I don't think I would ever be 100% comfortable with our big brother world,even though it's a necessary evil in today's society