GUILTY UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #7

[LittleMystery]

I wonder if something similar happened with Caylee Anthony? If she was beaten for misbehaving then her mum dumped her body?

I’m not sure if I think she was beaten but I do think Caylee was in the way of Casey’s lifestyle and was neglected which led to her death.

I always revisit that case because a) I still can’t believe she walked and b) she’s a narcissist and possibly a sociopath - the lies she tried to get away with still blow my mind.

 

[Yenriac]

Some people really shouldn't have children, like that woman we spoke about the other day who murdered her children and sold their clothes. What is wrong with people?

I've just read a wee bit about Caylee. Her mum did that for sure.

 

[Yenriac]

Some people really shouldn't have children, like that woman we spoke about the other day who murdered her children and sold their clothes. What is wrong with people?

Who do you mean Taylor?

 

[TaylorCallum]

Who do you mean Taylor?

I just googled her, Louise Porton. The sex worker who killed her two daughters and then tried to sell their clothes on Facebook? Horrible.

 

[Yenriac]

I just googled her, Louise Porton. The sex worker who killed her two daughters and then tried to sell their clothes on Facebook? Horrible.

Aw yeah. That's right. Another awful case. You're right some people don't deserve to be blessed with children. Why have children then neglect them? That was wilful neglect on her part. No excuses.

 

[shenmue]

It's an embarrassment for the justice system that this sicko can even be allowed to appeal, is age is no reason, he was 16, not 8, he sexually and brutally tortured this poor girl, its not like he accidentally killed her or lost his temper, this was a prolonged attack for his personnel pleasure. I'm angry and beyond annoyed.

 

[Bootlace15]

I just googled her, Louise Porton. The sex worker who killed her two daughters and then tried to sell their clothes on Facebook? Horrible.

Yeah this all happened very local to me. Horrible watching the cctv of her driving around with the little girl dead or very close to it on all the roadside often use.

 

[Bootlace15]

It's an embarrassment for the justice system that this sicko can even be allowed to appeal, is age is no reason, he was 16, not 8, he sexually and brutally tortured this poor girl, its not like he accidentally killed her or lost his temper, this was a prolonged attack for his personnel pleasure. I'm angry and beyond annoyed.

Totally agree. Alesha and her family didn't get the chance to appeal for her life.

 

[Eve71]

I didn't, no. It was Rab, Calum, Angela and two women with them (I'm not sure if they were relatives or friends).

Thank you.

 

[Ardoch]

I've been thinking about his lack of remorse. I have a hunch that he doesn't understand why he carried it out and that must surely be one of the first stages in any possible rehabilitation programme that I assume is underway at present. I just go back to the image of the teenagers (him included) camping on the beach and imagining that one of them would commit such an act shortly after. I look forward ( if that's the right words) to finding out more about his mental health.

 

[Yenriac]

I've been thinking about his lack of remorse. I have a hunch that he doesn't understand why he carried it out and that must surely be one of the first stages in any possible rehabilitation programme that I assume is underway at present. I just go back to the image of the teenagers (him included) camping on the beach and imagining that one of them would commit such an act shortly after. I look forward ( if that's the right words) to finding out more about his mental health.

I know what you mean. I have a feeling that he doesn't really understand what he did and why he did it. Is he too immature to grasp the magnitude of his actions? I don't know.
Not sure about finding out more on his mental health but i would love to see the psych reports.

 

[Yenriac]

I would also be interested to know how they undergo rehabilitation. What is put in place for young offenders? How often are they reviewed? Is there targets for the prisoners to try and reach? What does it all entail?

 

[bronzepurple]

I know what you mean. I have a feeling that he doesn't really understand what he did and why he did it. Is he too immature to grasp the magnitude of his actions? I don't know.
Not sure about finding out more on his mental health but i would love to see the psych reports.

Personally I don't think it's a lack of maturity, but more of a lack of ability to feel empathy, guilt or love. What he did probably affects him emotionally no more than dropping a piece of toast butter side down on the floor. He is immature don't get me wrong, but I don't think that is stopping him from 'feeling' the magnitude of what he's done, I think it's the way his brain is wired and the part that is not switched on to feel for other people the way a non psychopathic human would. He just doesn't value anyone emotionally, so nothing he does that hurts others can touch him in that way. It is beyond his ability.

 

[bronzepurple]

I would also be interested to know how they undergo rehabilitation. What is put in place for young offenders? How often are they reviewed? Is there targets for the prisoners to try and reach? What does it all entail?

I found this documentary really interesting. It's a juvenile correctional facility in America - and the documentary focuses on the young people in there for sexual offences and their rehabilitation. They are separated from the other young offenders for some specific classes, but with them for other classes.

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[Yenriac]

I found this documentary really interesting. It's a juvenile correctional facility in America - and the documentary focuses on the young people in there for sexual offences and their rehabilitation. They are separated from the other young offenders for some specific classes, but with them for other classes.

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Thanks for that. I'll give it a watch. Would be interesting to know how things are in the UK in comparison.

 

[RachelZachary]

I've been thinking about his lack of remorse. I have a hunch that he doesn't understand why he carried it out and that must surely be one of the first stages in any possible rehabilitation programme that I assume is underway at present. I just go back to the image of the teenagers (him included) camping on the beach and imagining that one of them would commit such an act shortly after. I look forward ( if that's the right words) to finding out more about his mental health.

I think he fully understands what he did and he is pretty pleased with himself. I think this has been shown from start to finish - and was summed up by Lord Matthews - these bits particularly -

‘It does not go too far therefore when I say that I was shocked when I saw the contents of the Criminal Justice Social Work report and the report from Dr Macpherson, the consultant forensic clinical psychologist.

Each of these reports contains clear admissions by you of your guilt.

Not only that, and this is a terrible thing to say of one so young, but they paint a clear picture of a cold, callous, calculating, remorseless and dangerous individual.’

‘Two other aspects of his report are worth mentioning.

The first is that you told him that at points during the trial it took everything to stop you laughing and you had to zip your mouth

The second is that you volunteered that you were quite satisfied with the murder.

According to all of the reports, you are not suffering from any mental health disorder and indeed you are not suffering from any syndrome or disorder of any kind.’

 

[Ardoch]

£25 is a bit steep however there's an opportunity to ask him questions at the end. Not sure how in depth the Q&A would be.
Professor David Wilson: My Life with Murderers at University of Strathclyde, Glasgow City Centre | What's On Glasgow

 

[Ardoch]

Watched a bit of that documentary( will watch it all) and the part where one of the juvenile criminals said that;
'something just clicked at that moment'
is similar to what I read about situationism in psychology. As far as I can gather it means that situational factors have a much stronger influence on behavior rather than, or as much as, any mental disorders.
AC mentioned this when he found himself in the situation of being in the room with A.
The theory has its critics but it's interesting that AC made a few comments that sound similar to it.

The Good News of Situationist Psychology - LessWrong 2.0

 

[Kikixxxx]

£25 is a bit steep however there's an opportunity to ask him questions at the end. Not sure how in depth the Q&A would be.
Professor David Wilson: My Life with Murderers at University of Strathclyde, Glasgow City Centre | What's On Glasgow

Oh I’d love to go to that!

 

[Yenriac]

Not watched all of that documentary yet, but i was talking to someone who has previously been in Polmont today. His charge was attempted murder. His rehabilitation consisted of classes, he had a prison officer assigned to him who acted like a support worker/social worker. He had plead guilty immediately therefore he didn't need to admit or come to terms with his crime but he said his prison officer was valuable in helping him through his sentence. His classes consisted of basic numeracy, literacy and computing. He said his was basic because he never went to school enough. He also attended the gym. But he said the most important thing he had was input from The Princes Trust who trained him for release. He was released after 5 years, he was 21 and walked straight into a job with The Princes Trust. A success story but i reckon he's one of the few.

Edit: i should have added, his job is now helping young people get funding to train for work and also helping newly released young people get work and stay out of prison. He said it's like trying to break the cycle of crime.