Found Deceased UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[Angleterre]

what is MFW??

MFH sorry it’s Police terminology Missing From Home

 

[rosesfromangels]

If AK, like so many other sad threads, ended up in the river, it could take weeks for the remains to resurface given the water temperature.

Info on currents can help predict the trajectory and timeline, as well as other factors such as muscle to fat ratio, etc.

In other words, it could be several weeks until this case is resolved.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[RobinCAL]

I was wondering the same thing @rosesfromangels . I think it's a waiting game now, I think all avenues have been looked into and all available CCTV has been seen.

 

[Funky funky]

If AK, like so many other sad threads, ended up in the river, it could take weeks for the remains to resurface given the water temperature.

Info on currents can help predict the trajectory and timeline, as well as other factors such as muscle to fat ratio, etc.

In other words, it could be several weeks until this case is resolved.

amateur opinion and speculation

Yes, it could be weeks, maybe months. A lady went into the water in my home town in late November and the water still has not given her up. It’s very hard on those left behind with no body for closure. I pray his family get some answers soon.

 

[Elainera]

If AK, like so many other sad threads, ended up in the river, it could take weeks for the remains to resurface given the water temperature.

Info on currents can help predict the trajectory and timeline, as well as other factors such as muscle to fat ratio, etc.

In other words, it could be several weeks until this case is resolved.

amateur opinion and speculation

Does anyone know the current water temperature in the Ouse? AFAIK below 5C bodies won't surface until the water warms. 5-10C it can take two-three weeks. But as you say fat plays a factor, as well as drink/food consumed, and clothes. It's been two weeks ....

 

[RobinCAL]

Weather forecast for River Ouse | Local | East Sussex, United Kingdom

Does this help?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Have sniffer dogs been used yet? Surely time is running out for that?

 

[Elainera]

Weather forecast for River Ouse | Local | East Sussex, United Kingdom

Does this help?

Thank you Robin! It says 7C today but I think that's the air temperature. Water temp must be similar I'd think.

Sooo ... if he's in the river he might be surfacing soon. Jmo.

 

[RobinCAL]

Have sniffer dogs been used yet? Surely time is running out for that?

I think it was mentioned at the start of the investigation but I can't be 100% on that.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Also, I can't link it over, but yesterday there was mention of AK not having a drink in the pub then being on his phone before it died/was switched off. Just for perspective reasons I overheard a conversation about a men's works pub crawl in a familiar area. It also began at lunchtime and they were still going strong into the evening (with food being provided at one pub). One of the group realised he'd had too much to drink, so didn't drink any more, then not long after called someone (girlfriend?) for a lift. He went outside and waited for her. I'm only mentioning this so you can relate this possible scenario to AK. Who did he call? Did a car pull over and pick him up? Or say to meet him at a certain place, but he couldn't intitially find that place?

 

[Bampot]

For crying out loud. Are we further in this case? AK? Or who was getting searched For today?

 

[BodyOfWater]

[bbm]

what ramifications?

It could have been a child who simply posted a note within a milk bottle & for whatever reason it worked it’s way there.

Once in junior school our teacher asked us to post notes with our names & the schools address in empty bottles of milk (we were given daily) & release them into the river to see how far away someone could respond from. Some children do it with helium balloons as I am sure everyone will have heard.

Some members have read on SM that the bottle was somehow fixed to a buoy or something along those lines so that would probably discount that although I’ve seen no official source about any message in a bottle.

 

[Sillybilly]

Numerous posts have been removed.

Stop with the nonsense posts in this thread or thread reply bans will be put in place or TOs issued.

Thank you.

 

[BodyOfWater]

Actually I’m inclined to believe it’s nothing to do with Anthony

his fiancée has been on her Facebook today. If she had any doubts or was travelling to Lewes to identify her fiancée then she wouldn’t update on his disappearance

Unless LE had not been fully transparent with his fiancée OR they didn’t have the complete picture. They can’t give false hope to her good or bad.

 

[BodyOfWater]

The very first thing I saw when originally reading about Anythony’s dissapearence was a reference to Anthony having been involved in a bar brawl earlier that day.

At the time I was thinking perhaps they had later caught up with Anthony or he suffered an injury.

Since then I have searched for references to a brawl but could find no mention whatsoever so I wrote it off as me having confused “bar crawl” with “bar brawl”.

The funny thing though was someone else has since said that they originally heard the same.

I’m reasonably confident there was no brawl & perhaps the publication in question had been given incorrect information & since removed it.

Moving forward, Saturday might be a very telling day but I have a feeling that any fresh information will be drip-fed across the next fortnight.

 

[BodyOfWater]

I was wondering the same thing @rosesfromangels . I think it's a waiting game now, I think all avenues have been looked into and all available CCTV has been seen.

I strongly doubt all CCTV has been sought, recovered & painstakingly trawled through.

After all there are many shops & businesses across the area. I just hope the entities in question hold onto CCTV from that period until it is requested. Likewise for the second person who may have gone missing they appear to be searching for.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Waitrose doesn't have toilets.
Here's a picture of the west bank of the river.
It's a bit misleading as it's overlaid with an artists impression of the Phoenix Industrial Estate after development, but at the present time, where those redbrick houses are is a largely empty, disused industrial estate with many access points to the river, the banks of which have been fortified by walls at that point.

All Waitrose stores have toilets.

But AK never went into Waitrose, otherwise their CCTV would have picked him up

 

[Angleterre]

The very first thing I saw when originally reading about Anythony’s dissapearence was a reference to Anthony having been involved in a bar brawl earlier that day.

At the time I was thinking perhaps they had later caught up with Anthony or he suffered an injury.

Since then I have searched for references to a brawl but could find no mention whatsoever so I wrote it off as me having confused “bar crawl” with “bar brawl”.

The funny thing though was someone else has since said that they originally heard the same.

I’m reasonably confident there was no brawl & perhaps the publication in question had been given incorrect information & since retracted it.

Moving forward, Saturday might be a very telling day but I have a feeling that any fresh information will be drip-fed across the next fortnight.

I have never seen that said although I don’t dispute what you are saying as it could have been reported on and removed (like you seem to think is the case) but I am more than inclined to think that it meant bar crawl as you said.... otherwise it would put a totally different spin on the whole disappearance for many reasons

 

[EyeSpyU]

Although water is the obvious reason for his disappearance..and with even minimum flooding in the dark it could easily happen..I just struggle with why he would be near it

Anthony may have been more inebriated than he appeared: not everyone staggers when they’re way over the limit. He didn’t have a drink in The Lamb, which suggests he felt he’d had enough.


Going by the fact he left the pub and appears to have been possibly disoriented, feeling tipsy, unfamiliar with his surroundings, he then got lost - hence him walking down towards the residential area. He spent about 20 minutes down there before walking back up again, so clearly his sense of direction was skewed for some reason.

If that’s the case, and it appears to be, then it’s highly likely he became lost and disoriented when trying to reach Waitrose/Tesco. He may have noticed what he thought was a shortcut and with it being dark, wet and slippery, he could have easily slipped into the river.

He was wearing smart shoes which don’t grip as well as trainers; he did seem to stumble slightly on the first CCTV; he did have a “bouncy walk” due to walking on his toes which would make you more liable to slip...he had alcohol in his system...and according to reports the river was extremely dangerous that night with a fast current.

I suspect, tragically, he fell into the very cold water and was dragged away by the current: it happens frequently to people all over the world.

 

[BodyOfWater]

Anthony may have been more inebriated than he appeared: not everyone staggers when they’re way over the limit. He didn’t have a drink in The Lamb, which suggests he felt he’d had enough.


Going by the fact he left the pub and appears to have been possibly disoriented, feeling tipsy, unfamiliar with his surroundings, he then got lost - hence him walking down towards the residential area. He spent about 20 minutes down there before walking back up again, so clearly his sense of direction was skewed for some reason.

If that’s the case, and it appears to be, then it’s highly likely he became lost and disoriented when trying to reach Waitrose/Tesco. He may have noticed what he thought was a shortcut and with it being dark, wet and slippery, he could have easily slipped into the river.

He was wearing smart shoes which don’t grip as well as trainers; he did seem to stumble slightly on the first CCTV; he did have a “bouncy walk” due to walking on his toes which would make you more liable to slip...he had alcohol in his system...and according to reports the river was extremely dangerous that night with a fast current.

I suspect, tragically, he fell into the very cold water and was dragged away by the current: it happens frequently to people all over the world.

It certainly is the most plausible theory.

If you was to tell someone unfamiliar with this case that there was heavy flooding the night he went missing, drowning would be a pretty obvious conclusion.

But if everything was so simple there would be no need for discussion.

Not everything “adds up” so it could be one of those occasions where there is a more eerie demise.

Personally I don’t think he would have chosen to walk across flooded grass & got wet even as a short cut.

That said, sadly bodies of water seem to act like magnets towards younger men.