Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #2 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Inge Jones]

IMO, this is just a bit of speculation.

Yes I declared it simply a theory in the first place Not sure how to differentiate between theory and speculation, when none of us know what *actual* evidence the police have anyway, I guess any theory we can think of at this time can be no more than speculation.

 

[jigzy]

Sky shows Machynlleth in pitch black at 19:05 and the daylight drops by two minutes earlier each day post equinox. To give some credence to the fact that the vehicle on Monday would not have been viewed in daylight on Monday if she was taken circa 7pm.

On Tuesday here I noted that it was close to pitch black at 7.15pm. I don't even see street lights nearby on google maps, though I guess there must be :/

 

[Agatha Krispy]

I guess I was taking the 6pm time too literally. I imagine that one or both of the people who said the 6pm time could have been off by a couple of minutes which would give him the time to get from one place to the other.

I am afraid I agree with you Lisser. He is quoted as being in one place, yet seemingly appears to be elsewhere at the same time, or minutes apart in the case of home location to Machynlleth. It's circa 5 miles between the two places. Either witnesses are generalising over time estimate or he's a magician.

 

[cluciano63]

Ok so well known man allegedly abducts child in front of awitness who very likely could easily identify him, then disposed of the body in broad daylight in front of two other witnesses who also know the man. Then walks down the side of the road to be picked up by police.
What would be the motive here? To leave as many witness as possible and see if he could get away with it? I'm telling you SOMETHING isn't right. It could be very well that with all the info we "know" about the case we in fact don't know anything about the "case". Is that all we have to go on right now?

It may be all we have, but I feel certain it is not all the police have.

 

[jigzy]

Ok so well known man allegedly abducts child in front of awitness who very likely could easily identify him, then disposed of the body in broad daylight in front of two other witnesses who also know the man. Then walks down the side of the road to be picked up by police.
What would be the motive here? To leave as many witness as possible and see if he could get away with it? I'm telling you SOMETHING isn't right. It could be very well that with all the info we "know" about the case we in fact don't know anything about the "case". Is that all we have to go on right now?

You're absolutely right. There's loads more that we don't officially know right now. All will come out eventually though.

 

[jigzy]

I am afraid I agree with you Lisser. He is quoted as being in one place, yet seemingly appears to be elsewhere at the same time, or minutes apart in the case of home location to Machynlleth. It's circa 5 miles between the two places. Either witnesses are generalising over time estimate or he's a magician.

AK the school and estate are located next to each other. Do you have a link to whatever puts MB both in town and at the location 5 miles away at the same time?

 

[Adorabella]

A few hours have passed and yet my feelings are still confused and my gut not connecting with the change to 'suspicion of murder.' I don't really know what to think at all because I'm not instinctively leaning one way or the other, HOWEVER:

the definition of 'suspicion' is that there is no definite proof...
Chris Jeffries was arrested with the same words and was 100% innocent
MB's apparent erratic behaviour and driving the evening April went missing and the following morning could purely be down to his vehicle not working properly. I just got my car fixed today and if it broke down in a one way street and people started moaning at me to get out of the way, I'd get stressed. If the gears weren't working properly and were cranking and making all sorts of noises and jerking the car, I would be agitated. I don't think these comments are 'proof' of anything at all, especially not that a man was building up to kidnap and murder.

Since the outset, this case has moved at a manic pace and seems to have uncovered very little that we know of, despite the amount of people involved and the hours being put in.

The police have made themselves very available to the press and I wonder whether that is possibly too available, when those highly publicised investigations have resulted in apparently very little and that pressure is now on them to make someone responsible asap.

If MB is not the guilty party (and obviously that remains to be seen) then the real guilty party is long gone as it seems attention has very openly been directed in named areas, allowing someone to get clean away, or dispose of April in other places that are not being searched - anywhere/ everywhere else.

The press has not uncovered ANYTHING AT ALL about this man that points to him being anything other than a normal man - doesn't mean that he isn't guilty but by now you'd think someone would have something concrete to say.

There's a massive leap between being annoyed/ angry/ agitated (if indeed he was) - for whatever reason, to kidnapping and murdering an innocent child that he knows (and anything else that may or may not have also happened) and then still being out and about in your very small village, joining in the search etc.

I really do hope that the police haven't mistakenly put all of their eggs in one very public basket.

 

[Alyce]

I am afraid I agree with you Lisser. He is quoted as being in one place, yet seemingly appears to be elsewhere at the same time, or minutes apart in the case of home location to Machynlleth. It's circa 5 miles between the two places. Either witnesses are generalising over time estimate or he's a magician.

I think probably generalising about time, or the reporters are putting it all as 6pm when in fact there is a time variation of say 5 or so minutes.

Similar situation with the reports of the * time* that AJ was taken in the car.
We were told this was 7pm

But, there is also a report where her godmother is quoted as saying that CJ phoned her at 6.50 pm to say that AJ was missing.

The godmother says, I was the first person CJ phoned.

So, if you count the time for CJ to go outside to look for AJ, then to go to the friends house and find out AJ has been taken in a car, then go back home and tell PJ and then phone the godmother..........then surely the time AJ was taken is closer to 6.30 pm

 

[Agatha Krispy]

AK the school and estate are located next to each other. Do you have a link to whatever puts MB both in town and at the location 5 miles away at the same time?

You will need to google. It's been written in countless places and I am afraid I agree with Lisser that there are conflicting accounts.

 

[Clio]

MB's former partner:



Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...is-Land-Rover-two-days-before-kidnapping.html

If this is correct, the girl should have been able to recognize MB immediately.

As I undersatnd it, that refers to prior occasion.

Childminder Mair Raftree, 41, said: “I was the first person Coral called. She was absolutely devastated. She was in shock. She was saying ‘April’s gone. She was put in a van. She was taken away’.”

April and best friend MH, aged seven, were playing on their bicycles near their homes when the van pulled up.

M is the key witness and was able to give police a crucial description of the driver. April’s parents had been at a parents’ evening at her primary school to see April’s teachers. Supt John explained: “The children were playing in a small group originally, but just two of them were there when April went into the van."

Elaine Dafydd's daughter E (aged 5) was part of the small group referred to by Supt John, however the 7 year old M is the key witness and we don't know that M knew MB

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...lead-for-information-on-missing-five-year-old

 

[jigzy]

.....

The press has not uncovered ANYTHING AT ALL about this man that points to him being anything other than a normal man - doesn't mean that he isn't guilty but by now you'd think someone would have something concrete .....

The PRESS may not uncovered a thing, but the locals know him, and info known will have been passed to the LE. I have every faith in the LE.

 

[opalsqueak63]

A few hours have passed and yet my feelings are still confused and my gut not connecting with the change to 'suspicion of murder.' I don't really know what to think at all because I'm not instinctively leaning one way or the other, HOWEVER:

the definition of 'suspicion' is that there is no definite proof...
Chris Jeffries was arrested with the same words and was 100% innocent
MB's apparent erratic behaviour and driving the evening April went missing and the following morning could purely be down to his vehicle not working properly. I just got my car fixed today and if it broke down in a one way street and people started moaning at me to get out of the way, I'd get stressed. If the gears weren't working properly and were cranking and making all sorts of noises and jerking the car, I would be agitated. I don't think these comments are 'proof' of anything at all, especially not that a man was building up to kidnap and murder.

Since the outset, this case has moved at a manic pace and seems to have uncovered very little that we know of, despite the amount of people involved and the hours being put in.

The police have made themselves very available to the press and I wonder whether that is possibly too available, when those highly publicised investigations have resulted in apparently very little and that pressure is now on them to make someone responsible asap.

If MB is not the guilty party (and obviously that remains to be seen) then the real guilty party is long gone as it seems attention has very openly been directed in named areas, allowing someone to get clean away, or dispose of April in other places that are not being searched - anywhere/ everywhere else.

The press has not uncovered ANYTHING AT ALL about this man that points to him being anything other than a normal man - doesn't mean that he isn't guilty but by now you'd think someone would have something concrete to say.

There's a massive leap between being annoyed/ angry/ agitated (if indeed he was) - for whatever reason, to kidnapping and murdering an innocent child that he knows (and anything else that may or may not have also happened) and then still being out and about in your very small village, joining in the search etc.

I really do hope that the police haven't mistakenly put all of their eggs in one very public basket.

Hi Adorabella.

I know what you mean.

It would be horrifically unthinkable to me if they are focusing on the wrong guy. I think the police must have hard evidence by now, though, and will use the rest of the allocated 24 hours to try and get anything they can out of him. They can't ask him anything after they charge him, if indeed they do.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't believe police are infallible, but am willing to believe they know what they are doing until they prove otherwise.

 

[Jasper52]

They revealed they had to seek legal advice before circulating the picture of Bridger.
Sources said the father of two was a close friend and “almost part of the family”.
One of his children was said to have been playing with April when she disappeared.
Police said she got into the van or Land-Rover willingly and there was “nothing to suggest there was a struggle”.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...unt-for-missing-April-five.html#ixzz28S1xhAK2

EDIT: If this is the case, the girl should have been able to identify April's abductor as being her own Dad. Would MB abduct a child in front of one of his own children???

 

[jigzy]

Just a gut feeling but I don't think he has cooperated at all. I think things have moved along due to fast-tracked forensics. Jmo.

 

[Inge Jones]

We should remember how much more we found out about the past of Joanna Yeates' killer Vincent Tabak only at his trial. Everyone who knew him was stunned when he became a suspect and even more stunned when he actually admitted killing her, prior to his trial. Had the public known all the facts at the time of his arrest, we would have not been at all puzzled.

 

[lisser]

You will need to google. It's been written in countless places and I am afraid I agree with Lisser that there are conflicting accounts.

There are so many conflicting reports. That was what I was getting at with my initial post. My head is spinning from the contradictions that have been printed. I mean, how hard can it be to get the correct time of the parent's night, or whether or not her parents where home from there when she disappeared. I can kind of forgive the fact that MB was said to be in two different places at 6pm by a time generalization (I myself say it's 6:00 when it's really 5 minutes after, etc.), but the rest just makes me so confused.

 

[Adorabella]

The PRESS may not uncovered a thing, but the locals know him, and info known will have been passed to the LE. I have every faith in the LE.

Do you mean those same locals who let him take her crabbing and for drives in his car etc? What exactly is it that those locals think of him because when I saw his neighbours being questioned on the news they said he was a nice man and I haven't yet heard anything to the contrary except for things people are now trying to fit to his new persona as a possible kidnapper/ murderer...as in he was agitated because his car wasn't working properly.

 

[sleuther317]

April's 'gone'. She was 'put' in a van. She was taken 'away.'

Am I reading too much into this or does this statement alone contradict the witness account. My stomach is in knots over the wording the mother used when she called the childminder.

 

[jigzy]

Do you mean those same locals who let him take her crabbing and for drives in his car etc? What exactly is it that those locals think of him because when I saw his neighbours being questioned on the news they said he was a nice man and I haven't yet heard anything to the contrary except for things people are now trying to fit to his new persona as a possible kidnapper/ murderer...as in he was agitated because his car wasn't working properly.

I live in this area. There is no 'new persona'. I will say no more.