Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Clutchbag]

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Do parent/teacher meetings go on until 7pm? Seems really late for a local junior school to be open until that hour.

With average class size of 30 and each family getting ten minutes each, it seems about right. Not got a calculator handy.

 

[jigzy]

But still, it seems the stronger focus of the search efforts has so far been in Machynlleth. I wonder why. Maybe they had people calling in thinking they saw something suspicious and they mostly were from that area?

I don't think the search has been focused strongly only on Machynlleth at all. The specialist search teams are spread out.

Has anyone wondered why we have seen so few aerial images of specialist search teams? (I can only think of the suspected white van image, that I think is completely unrelated to the suspect, being a search related vehicle.)

I have not seen so little media coverage by air of a case like this, that I can remember for sure.

I think there are so many search sites that the LE don't want to look like they have no idea where to look, so air coverage would be unhelpful to public opinion. Having said this, I can believe that they are working on the findings of dogs and exploring everything thoroughly.

Of course they might even be not ruling out the involvement of another person too, in which case the least info given out about all the locations searched the better.

This is a huge effort at great expense to the taxpayer. The LE must be certain that they will find what they are looking for.

Jmo.

 

[Clutchbag]

Cheers, that is almost certainly RH drive, in the side shot you can see steering wheel and where the dash sort of rises to accomodate speedo etc.

Yes and the partial plate proves its not the same car as MBs

 

[jigzy]

I agree with you. MB, is quite clearly not a psychopath as he broke down in tears in court. My opinion is, is something far more tangled is going on here and may even involve the Jones family.

Do Psychopaths not cry with self pity? This is a genuine question. I am not aware that Psychopaths do not break down in tears.

 

[Amber34]

This list is not comprehensive. I am still working on compiling and entering data into the database I am working on for the area.

If you click on the link below, it will open up a google map. I have customized the map with numbered icons, each icon representing a site of attempted abductions. Click on each numbered icon to read details about the particular event(s)

http://goo.gl/maps/D9zAS


Although this is a work in progress, I have certainly noticed some patterns. Not a huge surprise, white transit vans are the vehicle most often used in the abduction attempts.

The other pattern I am starting to see, is groups of 2-3 men, making multiple attempts in a general area, over the course of a few days. I was also interested to note that the men were often described as "tanned".

I made individual entries for these incidents in the original database but lumped them together for simplicity on the map.

BBM

Transit type vans are associated with manual workers. Many manual workers are outside for a lot of the day. My OH is a builder - he and his crew are perma-tanned. Our friends the plasterer and the electrician are both very pale - the plasterer has an estate car and the electrician a small van - way smaller than transit size. Not an exact or scientific comparison, but gives a general idea.

 

[Elainera]

I live south of Machynlleth and it was dark here on Tuesday (day after abduction) at 7.15, so around 7 pm it would have been quite dusky.

Or even quite dark already given that it was said that it was a wet evening -> clouds would have swallowed the last dimming light.

 

[jigzy]

Some have them after hours to accomodate working parents, but conflicting reports said that Mr and Mrs J left meeting by 3.30pm.

Personally I think the council were being careful with their wording when gave that statement saying that the parents left the school at 3.30pm. The parents may well have left the school at 3.30pm, after picking her up from school. She then went swimming did she not? Then, I would imagine, they would return to school for the parents evening. Jmo.

As for the parents evening going on til 7 pm: another local primary school does theirs over 2 evenings. Parents book a 10 minute slot and choose an evening, e.g. a Monday or a Tuesday. That way the evenings are greater in number but don't go on so long.

 

[Clio]

I don't think the search has been focused strongly only on Machynlleth at all. The specialist search teams are spread out.

Has anyone wondered why we have seen so few aerial images of specialist search teams? (I can only think of the suspected white van image, that I think is completely unrelated to the suspect, being a search related vehicle.)

I have not seen so little media coverage by air of a case like this, that I can remember for sure.

I think there are so many search sites that the LE don't want to look like they have no idea where to look, so air coverage would be unhelpful to public opinion. Having said this, I can believe that they are working on the findings of dogs and exploring everything thoroughly.

Of course they might even be not ruling out the involvement of another person too, in which case the least info given out about all the locations searched the better.

This is a huge effort at great expense to the taxpayer. The LE must be certain that they will find what they are looking for.

Jmo.

There was a no fly zone imposed on the press at one point.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UK UK (Wales) - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 01 Oct 2012 *ARREST MADE* - #1


The area is vast and it must be like looking for a needle in a haystack. A few days ago, Superintendent John was starting to say that they might have to accept she may never be found. What then seems to have happened is that LE consulted "experts" (don't know who) and they've come up with a quantified search plan. Clearly they cannot search everywhere nor can they continue searching forever. As you say, cost is a factor. My impression is that they've put together a plan which indentifies a number of locations, e.g. Quarry X, Mineshaft Y, Woodland Area Z. Once they have finished searching X, Y & Z, if she is still not found then I think they will stop. JMO

ETA Experts included SOCA

Such is the extreme challenge faced by Supt John and his team that there have been times when he admits they questioned how long they could continue and whether they would ever succeed. But following expert advice from organisations including the Serious and Organised Crime Agency (Soca), he said he was convinced of the need to press on with the search.

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rowing-emotions-91466-32027129/#ixzz29Hb5s900

 

[jigzy]

Or even quite dark already given that it was said that it was a wet evening -> clouds would have swallowed the last dimming light.

Possibly, yes. However, I cannot recall the exact weather that day other than we were generally having a rainy time with swollen rivers.

 

[Amber34]

Do Psychopaths not cry with self pity? This is a genuine question. I am not aware that Psychopaths do not break down in tears.

Although described in various ways, psychopaths are thought to have shallow emotions throughout their lives, and any emotion they do show is often put down to mimicking or a learned behaviour. They are also associated with a lack of empathy, lack of guilt and general coldheartedness.

Looking at MB's history, I wouldn't have said that description fits the person we are seeing and hearing about.

 

[Sarah]

Hi Sarah,
I live in United Arab Emirates and all the cars here are left hand drives. My car and all the ones I see on the road have the windscreen wipers swiping from right to left.

Thank You !!!
Although it looks pretty conclusive that the car in question is actually a RH drive, so I guess my little windscreen wiper theory's irrelevant now anyway.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8419384&highlight=Plate#post8419384

See post 172 here

Well remembered and spotted.
So many posts on this that it's hard to remember what I have and haven't read.
Clearly a RH drive from that photo.

 

[Elainera]

I don't think the search has been focused strongly only on Machynlleth at all.

Yes it was.

"The focus of the search operation has covered areas in and around Machynlleth but during the past few days efforts have concentrated on the small village of Ceinws – the village where Bridger lived before his arrest.

Supt John said the shift in focus was a result of Machynlleth being “80% cleared” by the search teams."

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...the-case-s-harrowing-emotions-91466-32027129/

I read another article earlier today where the search strategy was explained in more detail. I will see if I can find it again.

 

[Clutchbag]

Although described in various ways, psychopaths are thought to have shallow emotions throughout their lives, and any emotion they do show is often put down to mimicking or a learned behaviour. They are also associated with a lack of empathy, lack of guilt and general coldheartedness.

Looking at MB's history, I wouldn't have said that description fits the person we are seeing and hearing about.

and when they do they are crocodile tears. Lack of remorse cant make someone feel sorry for themselves.

There is a video on youtube called *why do killers speak out* and you can see a couple examples there. Sorry I cant seem to link to it.

 

[Dirk Gently]

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/donal-macintyre.php

Ah yes, Donal MacIntrye. I remember watching one of his so-called undercover investigative reports on TV some years ago. He spent three days trying (and failing) to induce young black men to steal his mobile phone and laptop in order to demonstrate that a notorious part of London is a haven for street crime. On the evening of the third day he finally managed to prove his point, but only by practically begging the thief to do it - literally holding the phone out for the thief to grab. IMO this is one reporter who'll never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.

 

[Sarah]

Possibly, yes. However, I cannot recall the exact weather that day other than we were generally having a rainy time with swollen rivers.

I think knowing the weather that night would really help out, but I've been looking and can't find any retrospective weather reports.

I know that it was dry and clear in the evening here in South Wales despite having been raining all day* but that's obviously not a clear indication of what it was like in your area.

* I specifically remember because I was going out with friends on Tuesday night, and I commented on Monday that hopefully we'd get another break from the rain the following evening.
Unfortunately we didn't. Tuesday evening was pouring with rain and we all got drenched walking from the taxi to the restaurant. It also got noticeably darker earlier because of the cloud cover.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

This might be a start

The 15 mile walk to Borth from Machynlleth in heavy rain. Monday, 1 October 2012

http://rogerforeman.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/the-15-mile-walk-to-borth-from.html

 

[jigzy]

Yes it was.

"The focus of the search operation has covered areas in and around Machynlleth but during the past few days efforts have concentrated on the small village of Ceinws – the village where Bridger lived before his arrest.

Supt John said the shift in focus was a result of Machynlleth being “80% cleared” by the search teams."

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...the-case-s-harrowing-emotions-91466-32027129/

I read another article earlier today where the search strategy was explained in more detail. I will see if I can find it again.

The link you posted in itself contradicts itself:

The search for April has seen more than 135 specialist police searchers scour 60 square kilometres of countryside which Supt John has previously has described as the “worst terrain in the UK” to navigate. The area searched last week alone would take one person 8.9 years to complete on their own.

And

The focus of the search operation has covered areas in and around Machynlleth but during the past few days efforts have concentrated on the small village of Ceinws – the village where Bridger lived before his arrest.

We have all seen images of the in depth specialist searches of the River Dulas, well out of Machynlleth - days ago!

Here's a quote from the man himself (5th Oct):
"There are 8 police teams of more than 60 specialist search trained officers.

All of the blue light services are involvedin the search, including the fire service, ambulance, coastguard, RNLI as well as the RAF mountain rescue service and some 150 members of the Mountain Rescue service from across the UK.

There are rescue dogs and a host of specialist equipment being used including boats with sonar equipment and the helicopter with thermal imaging capability."

– SUPT IAN JOHN, DYFED POWYS POLICE

 

[Dirk Gently]

It's certainly possible, but after leaving the B4404 the road is un-tarmaced and narrow - little better than a farm track in places, with large stones embedded in the soil. It could have been tricky if the Ford Discovery was already having mechanical problems.

On the other hand, it could have been the cause of those problems, of course.

Perhaps, but MB's Land Rover was reported as being driven erratically prior to the abduction. Also, as I've stated before, the vehicle's tyres and wheel arches do not suggest that it had been driven off-road. Nor is the vehicle clean enough to suggest that it had been washed recently.

 

[jigzy]

Ah yes, Donal MacIntrye. I remember watching one of his so-called undercover investigative reports on TV some years ago. He spent three days trying (and failing) to induce young black men to steal his mobile phone and laptop in order to demonstrate that a notorious part of London is a haven for street crime. On the evening of the third day he finally managed to prove his point, but only by practically begging the thief to do it - literally holding the phone out for the thief to grab. IMO this is one reporter who'll never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.

Dirk Gently: I was posting the link for another member who was having trouble linking. Disclaimer, disclaimer :fence:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Perhaps, but MB's Land Rover was reported as being driven erratically prior to the abduction. Also, as I've stated before, the vehicle's tyres and wheel arches do not suggest that it had been driven off-road. Nor is the vehicle clean enough to suggest that it had been washed recently.

I don't think it was reported that the driver was crashing the gears etc prior to the abduction.