Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

Me too, but rape without AJ's body would be impossible to prove. 0ne more reason they need to find her.

If MB has a history of such things, he would be on a paedophile register? Would that exclude him from owning firearms?

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Locals - is this in the general area ?

Registration district: Wrexham Maelor
Inferred County: Wales

Wrexham isn't far from Machynlleth - why?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Yes, I understood that but my question is - to put it bluntly - what does it matter which side she climbed into?

Perhaps MB is the only one in the region with a left hand drive vehicle. Of course, if it isn't MB, then the driver must have assisted her into getting in on their side.

 

[Clio]

Yes, I understood that but my question is - to put it bluntly - what does it matter which side she climbed into?

Not saying this is necessarily the case but if MB was a person of interest to LE very early on and if they knew he owned a left hand drive vehicle, it would be a good way to get a message to the public without naming him

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes, I understood that but my question is - to put it bluntly - what does it matter which side she climbed into?

Logically, a 5 year old wouldn't climb into the drivers side and scramble over the driver when she could get into the passenger side, so if she got into the RH side it implies it was a LH drive vehicle, and MB owned one.
If it was his vehicle, she had been in it before and would know which side was which.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Wrexham isn't far from Machynlleth - why?

UK BDM, birth in 1991, could be older son to MB and ex wife. Younger son born 1992.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Above raises question, MB splits with wife 1992 ... sometime later hooks up with EG and has children 2000 and 2002.
What was he doing in the meantime.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

If MB has a history of such things, he would be on a paedophile register? Would that exclude him from owning firearms?

Didn't GG tell us that applicant needs to disclose record? Not sure.

 

[bijoux]

If MB has a history of such things, he would be on a paedophile register?

Maybe he's never been caught.

Would that exclude him from owning firearms?

Do we know for sure his firearms were registered; sorry I may have missed that information?

 

[greenpalm]

I dont see the dot to dot connection unless you think he was a psycho in waiting, as i asked before which psycho has ever killed a child to get back at someone they had an argument with, hated etc

I think that's a rather common motive for child murder. Revenge against adults. Medea, of Greek Mythology fame killed her own children to seek vengeance on their father, and that story is ancient. (meaning as horrific as it is, it's not novel) Kevin Huntley apparently called in two school girls and killed them becaused he'd gotten into a fight over the phone with a girlfriend. Shawn Morgan murdered 3 year old Breeann Rodriguez whod been playing on their street. He claimed to have found her climbing up his pool ladder. If Terri Horman ever faces charges in Kyron's death or disappearance, vengeance certainly seems to be a possible motive.

I've only read that his vehicle was made in Spain...don't know if that's true or not. Also reports that he lived in Spain at one time but I follow too many cases when I can so don't take my word for it if that's been vetted or not.

A vehicle made like ours are in the US, all little April had to do if he was going the south on the street ( I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) was to hop into what is the passenger side. The passenger side would be the closest empy seat next to the green if she ran up to him. He's might have been pretty calculating. jmo

No, the opposite is true, right? (unless I'm misunderstanding you) Ordinarily, the passenger side would be toward the curb, which is why US mail trucks traditionally have the steering wheel on the right hand opposite from most side of the vehicle, opposite from most. That way the mail carrier could lean out to put mail into boxes on posts lining the street. In either left or right hand drive circumstances. (Except not in my historic neighborhood. My mail box is on my porch, and our postal carrier walks from house to house and up the steps to the door. My house was built in 1919) so, if MB pulled up against the curb or sidewalk he himself in the driver's seat would be closest to any children playing in a yard or on the sidewalk. it is my understanding that having the driver sit closer to the middle of the road increases his angle of visibility.

Has anybody been able to work out what is on the passenger seat of MB's Discovery? The best photo is probably this one:

http://www.teinteresa.es/sucesos/desaparicion-April-Jones-imagenes_5_785371466.html?itemId=3

That appears to me to be a fitted tie-on camouflaged seat cover. There are many styles for bucket seats. I've seen them fit over a bucket seat like a tank top, in which case the seat's, "shoulders" would be visible through the "arm" holes. Or similarly, I've seen them tie on like an apron, again, exposing the "shoulders."

There also seem to be some green plastic sacks in the back ...

I am, of course, wondering if it could be forensic tests on what was found in the vehicle that led to the decision to bring a murder charge.

I'll admit MBs actions haven't made the most sense, and so applying logic may not be helpful, but, after going to some pains to hide her body, why would he leave obvious evidence in a vehicle he was taking to the garage for repair, where mechanics would see it? Even if he needed to be off in the head in order to commit this crime, he had to have sufficient wit to effectively hide her body, which, given that it's still missing after 12 days, he must have done.

It's interesting that one child denied going.

That's what caught my attention as well. I would imagine that the children on the estate knew MB to varying degrees. Some likely saw a familiar face, while others knew him well enough to go on fishing trips. Perhaps one of the children who knew him less well was denying hopping in the vehicle because they have been taught not to take rides with strangers, but succumbed to temptation while with other children who seemed to know him, yet ultimately resorted to a guilt induced fib to stay out of trouble.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Applicants have to demonstrate that they're fit to be entrusted with a firearm, have good reason for possessing one, and can do so without endangering public safety.

Applicants have to prove that they have "good reason" for owning firearms, i.e. as someone who has shooting rights over land and/or is a member of a target shooting club. If the latter they have to complete a probationary period in the first instance and be approved as a full member.

The UK's Rehabilitation of Offenders Act doesn't apply to FAC applications so applicants are required to divulge all their previous convictions. A conviction wouldn't necessarily result in rejection but anything that hints at drug or alcohol abuse or aggressive or anti-social behaviour would certainly receive very close attention.Applicants must submit their GP's contact details. LE will contact the applicant's GP if they have any doubts about his/her mental state and general fitness to possess a firearm.

An FAC application also requires applicants to submit details of two referees who can vouch that they know of no reason why the applicant should not be permitted to own a firearm.

Police visit the applicant's home to conduct an interview and ensure that security arrangements for storing the weapon(s) and ammunition are up to scratch.

Here is the post.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Maybe he's never been caught.


Do we know for sure his firearms were registered; sorry I may have missed that information?

Former neighbour said he showed him a firearms licence for a rifle he had. Which sounds a bit odd to me, why would you show the neighbour your licence?

 

[Quattro]

Something else that has been troubling me. LE were looking for a white or grey van which morphed into Land Rover, both of which MB allegedly had access to. Cart before the horse anyone.
I think it is entirely possible they were looking for MB irrespective of the vehicle description.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Something else that has been troubling me. LE were looking for a white or grey van which morphed into Land Rover, both of which MB allegedly had access to. Cart before the horse anyone.
I think it is entirely possible they were looking for MB irrespective of the vehicle description.

Reports in MSM infer that they knew who they were looking for, rather than the vehicle/s, tipped off by relative.

 

[Inge Jones]

Me too, but rape without AJ's body would be impossible to prove. 0ne more reason they need to find her.

I imagine it would be too late for that now. Nearly two weeks. I know it's a bit colder than where Tia's body was kept, but all the same, two weeks is a while...

 

[Inge Jones]

Logically, a 5 year old wouldn't climb into the drivers side and scramble over the driver when she could get into the passenger side, so if she got into the RH side it implies it was a LH drive vehicle, and MB owned one.
If it was his vehicle, she had been in it before and would know which side was which.

Actually she would, especially at the young age of 5. A responsible adult usually asks small children to get in side of the car next to the footpath, and then clamber along to the seat they are meant to be occupying, rather than go out into the road where a car may hit the. Also kids have no idea about not opening doors right into a passing car or bicycle. So yes, if the vehicle had pulled up with the driver's side to the kerb, that is exactly where a small child would be encouraged to enter by.

 

[Quattro]

Reports in MSM infer that they knew who they were looking for, rather than the vehicle/s, tipped off by relative.

Yes but LE would need a witness to the vehicle description for evidence.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Actually she would, especially at the young age of 5. A responsible adult usually asks small children to get in side of the car next to the footpath, and then clamber along to the seat they are meant to be occupying, rather than go out into the road where a car may hit the. Also kids have no idea about not opening doors right into a passing car or bicycle. So yes, if the vehicle had pulled up with the driver's side to the kerb, that is exactly where a small child would be encouraged to enter by.

I think the point is that witness/es said she got into what would be drivers side in RH drive vehicle, except if it was the Land Rover, it wasn't the drivers side.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes but LE would need a witness to the vehicle description for evidence.

Which they also had.

 

[greenpalm]

I'm in agreement with those of you who believe the murder charge indicates they have found some fairly convincing evidence.

I can only speculate what they would find that would be sufficient to charge murder, rather than just kidnapping or abduction. I agree that sufficient blood spillage would qualify, whereas finding some of her clothing likely would not. Unless the clothing had knife wounds or bullet holes and her blood, and they were able to speculate what kinds of injuries she sustained, but even that wouldn't prove she is deceased. It's been suggested previously that they may have found photographs or videos in his home. There's quite an international internet market for such films. Sorry to speak of something so horrific, but money is a powerful motivator, and a film of such an act would certainly be sufficient for charges to be filed without a body. (I believe this possibility was also discussed in Breeann Rodriguez's case)

Changing topics a bit:
I've read a lot of discussion here that in the US the press would be reporting on the evidence. Not true! (they would if it was leaked) but it's quite normal for LE not to tell the press everything they know. As a counter example to this case, Kyron Horman's ate-mother has never faced charges, but there have been lots of veiled statements made to the press that they definitely have evidence they aren't sharing at this time. Apparently, unlike April's case, the evidence is insufficient or the LE to feel confident that they can win the case in court. If you arrest and charge a person too soon, and they are acquitted, you can't o back and charge them again - EVEN if you find definitive undeniable prof that hey are guilty. That's called double jeopardy, and it's illegal. That means LE doesn't like to make charges until they are nearly entirely confident. (but, yes, mistakes happen all the time too.)

One more thing. I'm still mentally exploring the possibility that this began as some kind of accident. If his car was malfunctioning, and required great care to drive, so much so that it resulted him in being described as driving erratically. Is it possible that he lost control of it and struck and injured April? Perhaps then he panicked and pulled or coaxed her into the vehicle to assess the damage or hide her. I'm trying to reconcile that with the young witness's description, and I can't. Unless the two girls were at some distance from each other. If they were riding bikes up and down the street, the other child could have evn been quite a ways away, with her back turned for part of the encounter. If April was playing 400 yards from her home (as cited in many news sources). That's really quite a distance. If kids are out riding bikes together, it's not necessarily, or even normal for them to ride in tandem. Additionally, it was evening in October in Wales. I've been to Scotland in October. The sun sets early. Visibility for MB in his erratic car may have been quite poor. More accidents occur in twilight hours than others, for this very reason. If our witness was riding her bike down the road, her visibility would not have been optimal either.

Granted, if he did hit her and injur her - he certainly made some poor choices afterward, and I can't imagine why he wouldn't break down and help LE find the body now. Unless, he fears he's already gotten himself trapped into a murder accusation, and finding her body will oly make matters worse.

All just speculation and opinion.