Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[jigzy]

Just took another virtual trip around Bryn Y Gog estate, this time looking at the various designs of street lighting. The type of light opposite the garages that we have discussed (albeit perhaps not the correct ones, despite media images identifying these as being the ones) appear to be down-lighters similar to the astronomy-friendly one I have near my own home. See here the Bryn Y Gog image:

http://goo.gl/maps/hnmFy

 

[Cherwell]

If you look closely at the lip of the bonnet (where it meets the grille) then there's also a very noticeable colour mismatch. It almost looks as if a second bonnet has been plonked on top of the original?
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

You mean it looks ....... grey?

Well, it could be the effect of the overhead lighting, or it could have been replaced and not yet resprayed. Which might explain some of the confusion.

(Disclaimer: I know very little about car stuff)

 

[SapphireSteel]

Just noticed something about MB's Land Rover and I'm not sure whether this has been pointed out before? When comparing the image of MB's vehicle with a similar Series 1 Discovery is seems to me that MB's vehicle is missing the prominent instrument panel bulge and steering wheel. There also seems to be something peculiar about the bonnet. They do have odd looking bonnets but on MB's vehicle the bulge seems much more pronounced than that of any other Series 1 I've seen. If you look closely at the lip of the bonnet (where it meets the grille) then there's also a very noticeable colour mismatch. It almost looks as if a second bonnet has been plonked on top of the original?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

MB's vehicle

Comparison vehicle

I think it's just a trick of the light.

:cow:

 

[Inge Jones]

He may have souped up the engine and needed to get a specially shaped bonnet to accommodate it. He sounds like perhaps a bit of a show off and I can imagine that explains why he wanted the less run of the mill type of vehicle and went for a LH drive.

 

[Blunomore]

Is anyone else here alarmed by this image?

The small circle is April's house, the large circle the garages where she was last seen.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/03/article-2211516-154F971E000005DC-345_634x422.jpg

What are we supposed to be alarmed about ??

 

[Clio]

Just noticed something about MB's Land Rover and I'm not sure whether this has been pointed out before? When comparing the image of MB's vehicle with a similar Series 1 Discovery is seems to me that MB's vehicle is missing the prominent instrument panel bulge and steering wheel. There also seems to be something peculiar about the bonnet. They do have odd looking bonnets but on MB's vehicle the bulge seems much more pronounced than that of any other Series 1 I've seen. If you look closely at the lip of the bonnet (where it meets the grille) then there's also a very noticeable colour mismatch. It almost looks as if a second bonnet has been plonked on top of the original?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Looks like silver/grey duct tape to me :twocents:

 

[Cherwell]

Looking at the local area, I can't see a garage area 'directly behind 'the Jones' house.

see blue arrow

 

[Sarah]

Looks like silver/grey duct tape to me :twocents:

That's what I see too . . . but am willing to be proved wrong.

 

[Quattro]

Just noticed something about MB's Land Rover and I'm not sure whether this has been pointed out before? When comparing the image of MB's vehicle with a similar Series 1 Discovery is seems to me that MB's vehicle is missing the prominent instrument panel bulge and steering wheel. There also seems to be something peculiar about the bonnet. They do have odd looking bonnets but on MB's vehicle the bulge seems much more pronounced than that of any other Series 1 I've seen. If you look closely at the lip of the bonnet (where it meets the grille) then there's also a very noticeable colour mismatch. It almost looks as if a second bonnet has been plonked on top of the original?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

MB's vehicle

Comparison vehicle

In 1993 Land Rover gave the Discovery a facelift. MBs vehicle is the updated version. If it's the diesel version it changed from the 200Tdi to the300Tdi.

 

[Insp.Dots]

It might be worth bearing in mind the geography of Mid Wales.

Not far to the North is the start of Snodonia but running down the backbone of Wales are the Cambrian mountains.

The main A roads are decent but no dual carriageways. Even on these roads because of the terrain a distance point to point of 30 miles may actually involve a 50 mile road journey as a road weaves it way through small valleys separated by spurs of higher ground. There are many bends, often hairpins.

The maximum speed is affected by this especially at night or in wet weather. Only is some places would 60 mph be reached with a more likely speed of 40-50 mph slowing down to 20-30 mph on the many bends. Of course someone in a hurry would travel to the limit but that would be dangerous as you never know what is coming round the next bend such as larger vehicles like articulated lorries.

Even some of the B roads are no more than single lane country tracks and only the sharper bends are marked because there are so many.

The terrain itself is mixed between mountain moorland and dense forest.

I think the Police are being very thorough.

We do on the whole have an excellent Police Force in this country and they will be pursuing every possibility, if only to eliminate it from the inquiry.

You have this Spot on!! I remember journeys as a young child sitting in the car for hours just to get from Shrewsbury to Borth, and it hasn't really got any easier as like you say the roads are extremely challenging!
An absolutely beautiful part of the country though and well worth a visit!!:great:

 

[Clutchbag]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18199087

A friend sent me this link. i hope this is not involved in this case.

 

[jigzy]

What are we supposed to be alarmed about ??

Well, for one, I think allowing a FIVE year old child out at dusk/nearly dark, out of sight of responsible carer is questionable for so many health & safety reasons - too many to list.

Add to that:
Wearing dark clothing (purple padded coat and black trousers)
Bike with no lights (you can google image of her bike, now in back/front yard)
Wearing no helmet (or we would have been told by LE in description of what she was wearing)

Whilst we are not here primarily to question 'parenting skills', the lapse thereof might have given the perp valuable get-away minutes (we don't really know how many - 10 mins or more?) AND provided opportunity that might not have existed had she been playing under the watchful eye of a parent/carer.

jmo.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Police have said she dead, since they are looking for a body, they just have not said why.

Not wanting to cause a flare up but when have the police actually stated she is dead or they are searching for a body?
I DO however still believe they have some substantial evidence that we will not hear about until the trial, that have allowed them to present the charges through the CPS.
On the other hand I can totally understand why family and friends refuse to give up until THEY can see for themselves that April is no longer alive.
I just can't imagine as a parent myself how they are feeling, I genuinely hope and pray that they will find April and get some kind of closure to this awful time.

 

[Dirk Gently]

In 1993 Land Rover gave the Discovery a facelift. MBs vehicle is the updated version. If it's the diesel version it changed from the 200Tdi to the300Tdi.

According to Wikipedia the facelift came the year after, in 1994. There was a very minor change to the specification in 1992 but this was not a facelift.

" In 1992 the Discovery received several additions and improvements. The interior was now offered in a more traditional beige as well as the distinctive (but controversial) light blue, an automatic transmission was made available on 200Tdi models, new colours were added to the range (and the large 'compass and mountain' side decals worn by early Discoveries to disguise wavy panel fit around the rear three quarter windows were no longer fitted) and the 'SE' pack incorporating alloy wheels, front driving lights, roof bars and a special range of metallic paints was introduced as an option. A two-seater, three-door Discovery Commercial version, lacking rear side windows, was later offered by Land Rover Special Vehicles.
Pre-1994 200 series Discovery I

In 1994, many changes were made to the Discovery and reached some markets as "Discovery 2"; the 200Tdi and 3.5 L V8 engines were replaced with the 2.5 L 300TDi 4-cylinder and 3.9 L Rover V8 engines, the 300Tdi introducing a Bosch electronic emissions control for certain models and markets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Discovery#Discovery_Series_I

Wikipedia provides several pictures of the revised 1994 model and MB's version is clearly the pre-facelift Series 1. The positioning of the front indicators, along with the headlight surrounds and absence of side decals surrounding the rear three-quarter windows, indicates that his is a 1992-3 model. This is entirely consistent with the year MB's vehicle was first registered in the UK: 1993.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

In what way? You mean the distance? Someone said it was 250 feet which is, what, around 100 yards max? Kids love to go down alleys, garages, in bushes, explore. My only concern would be the bottom end of the garages opening up to a main road, traffic danger

Eta it seems alot more than 100 yards to me but photos can be deceptive

Do you mean a five yr old shouldnt be left playing so far away? Without adult supervision?

All of it! Who in their right mind would allow a child to play that far from home when it was getting dark. The press made it sound like it was on the street outside her house. Those garages are nowhere near her house!

 

[Insp.Dots]

OK, does anyone find this weird?





Carwen Sheen, with a friend near Ceinws at 1pm Tuesday, sees 'Black Bag' man.






Carwen Sheen lives on same estate as April. I wonder what in particular, if anything, made her go searching/ walking up near Ceinws on the banks of the river there. That's a long way out of town. I wonder if locals were targeting that area having suspicions of their own.

jmo.

What I do find odd is this lady has also been interviewed on various News reports AFTER apparently giving this statement to the Police, I thought as
a Witness after making a statement you weren't supposed to then discuss the case......I am probably wrong but does anyone know please?

 

[Clio]

Not wanting to cause a flare up but when have the police actually stated she is dead or they are searching for a body?
I DO however still believe they have some substantial evidence that we will not hear about until the trial, that have allowed them to present the charges through the CPS.
On the other hand I can totally understand why family and friends refuse to give up until THEY can see for themselves that April is no longer alive.
I just can't imagine as a parent myself how they are feeling, I genuinely hope and pray that they will find April and get some kind of closure to this awful time.

He (Superintendent John) concedes: “We are looking for a body. Everybody tries to shy away from that inevitability because you want to be sympathetic to the family.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...ing-to-bring-april-jones-home-55578-32024275/

 

[Inge Jones]

What I do find odd is this lady has also been interviewed on various News reports AFTER apparently giving this statement to the Police, I thought as
a Witness after making a statement you weren't supposed to then discuss the case......I am probably wrong but does anyone know please?

I am not aware of any such law. Certainly not before a person has been charged, and after that I believe the restrictions are on what can be published not on what you can say to a reporter

 

[Clutchbag]

All of it! Who in their right mind would allow a child to play that far from home when it was getting dark. The press made it sound like it was on the street outside her house. Those garages are nowhere near her house!

This is all down to personal parenting. Some are carefree and dont worry, others are overprotective. i would draw the line with age and if there were much older children/adults to supervise. Your five yr old being out of sight and at a fair distance should only make you feel ok if they are being looked after
Most older kids tend to look out for the younger ones but I personally wouldnt entrust my 5 yr old with anyone less than at least 12

JMO and not a criticism

Then you have the factor of the environment. if its a close knit community and everyone looks out for everyone else it feels safe especially in a rural village that doesnt get many stranger visits? Just one stranger visit though might be all it took.

What kind of group were all the kids playing together like? Was there an unsuitable family or bullies in the mix?

 

[jigzy]

What I do find odd is this lady has also been interviewed on various News reports AFTER apparently giving this statement to the Police, I thought as
a Witness after making a statement you weren't supposed to then discuss the case......I am probably wrong but does anyone know please?

What I find odd is that after the whole 'Left Hand Drive vehicle' thing came out from the LE, this woman (who lives on Bryn Y Gog estate) headed up the valley to Ceinws towards where MB is living, presumably to 'search', was chatting to a friend on a riverbank when 'Black Bag' guy came scrambling down some shale and she recognises him to be someone she knew. How coincidental!:

Hears vehicle description of likely perp
Goes to search near his home
Finds ?? in an unusual place carrying a black bag
Tells LE

!!

jmo