Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

Very good point......So where do we think he went AFTER driving from the estate?
Do we have evidence he would have only gone a certain way? I remember someone mentioning Road Blocks.

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

The police claim it to be MB's land rover. That vehicle was in a bad state of repair and according to those images it was not covered in dirt, or debris indicating it may have gone off-road.

I believe April is still on that estate.

 

[Insp.Dots]

_______________________________________________ <---- Line drawn under... well you know, not saying it again

It's drawn for me anyway


Shall we move on?

Here's a thought

If he walked to the location he left AJ, then they could have analysed the residue on his footwear/bottom of trousers etc. I don't think they have that sort of information as their search areas have been quite different to one another. Did he dispose of the items? wash them? Or just wear them again and mix the evidence - he was doing some walking on the Tuesday for sure.

I would imagine his clothes were taken on arrest, they also had the tyres on LR and I would think they would definitely have taken samples off them to see where the car may have been.
Were the tyre tracks by river confirmed do we know or just hearsay?
You would think that his defense will pull the Blackbag witnesses apart as being very close friends of the family.

 

[Clio]

Thanks, yes I agree. I wasn't sure I was allowed to put the Adults names but will happily edit if someone confirms I can:rocker:

I will ask a MoD and also ask if it can be included at the start of each thread for reference.

 

[Insp.Dots]

The police claim it to be MB's land rover. That vehicle was in a bad state of repair and according to those images it was not covered in dirt, or debris indicating it may have gone off-road.

I believe April is still on that estate.

Can I ask what leads you to that conclusion??

 

[Amber34]

I would imagine his clothes were taken on arrest, they also had the tyres on LR and I would think they would definitely have taken samples off them to see where the car may have been.
Were the tyre tracks by river confirmed do we know or just hearsay?
You would think that his defense will pull the Blackbag witnesses apart as being very close friends of the family.

I don't know whether anything in MSM is fact or hearsay but

Police examining tyre tracks near river
by Jon Clements - Crime Correspondent
Police are examining tyre tracks close to a river near the town of Machynlleth where April lives.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-10-01/april-jones-missing-five-year-old-girl-in-wales/?page=16

If anything turns up in water, then I would think these will be very important - circumstantial maybe, but could add to other evidence.

 

[Clio]

EG/ED- Suspects Ex and Mum to his kids SB & CB Also EG 5yrs old child (with husband now) Who is one of Aprils best friends. (lives on estate)

I think EG (5 year old) should be ED? Perhaps refer to MBs ex as EAD to distinguish from her daughter ED? Or maybe the combined EG/ED is fine, just ED alone is confusing without context.

CS-friend of CJ, VF & EG WITNESS who saw MB with Black bag on riverside

CS saw a man with black bag - not confirmed to be MB. Don't want to start that argument again

GE- Ex neighbour of MB
BE-ex neighbour and friendly with MB

Perhaps add Ex Llanbrynmair neighbour for clarity?

Just some suggestions

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Can I ask what leads you to that conclusion??

1...The vehicle was in a bad state of repair

2...I believe he blocked parents in at parents evening because he either couldn't find a parking space, or needed easy access to get out. If he was seen crunching gears and the car jolting forward as has been stated, then to park by someone could have been a risk of not being able to get out, or jolting forward and hitting them.

3...His recovered vehicle from the repair garage shows no sign of off-road activity. If his vehicle had been on the riverbank it woud be covered in mud. It may have been dry that night, but rain levels this year have made many areas like that saturated.

4...If MB is guilty, I don't believe it was premeditated because only an idiot would take a child in a vehicle known to be his on an estate where people and children knew him. It would be the equivalent of committing a bank robbery in full CCTV view without wearing a mask.

5...The majority of abduction are done by family members and close acquaintances. MB fits this picture, but so do many others on that estate including women.

6...Stealing a child in a dodgy vehicle with a chance of breakdown is a very risky thing to do. If it was MB and his intention was murder he would have to act very quickly and dispose of a body just as quickly and probably on foot. No body has yet been found even though river searches were undertaken almost immediately.

My own conclusions are that April is still on that estate.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

Very good point......So where do we think he went AFTER driving from the estate?
Do we have evidence he would have only gone a certain way? I remember someone mentioning Road Blocks.

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

In one of the previous threads. Roadblocks weren't put into place until at least a couple of hours after AJ disappeared. Horse, stable door, bolted, etc. Remember that AJ's estate is right on the eastern edge of town.

 

[Clio]

In one of the previous threads. Roadblocks weren't put into place until at least a couple of hours after AJ disappeared. Horse, stable door, bolted, etc. Remember that AJ's estate is right on the eastern edge of town.

I've asked this question before and tried to find an answer from media reports but am still not clear. Do we know where the roadblocks were put up on Monday night, and how far out of Mach they went? My understanding is that they were on the A487 but only went as far as about the station. I could be wrong though. And do we know when they were lifted?

I know that the A487 was closed from Mach for 12 miles up to Cross Foxes on Tuesday but that didn't happen until after Mr & Mrs Edwards reported seeing MB by the cycle bridge as far as I am aware.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think EG (5 year old) should be ED? Perhaps refer to MBs ex as EAD to distinguish from her daughter ED? Or maybe the combined EG/ED is fine, just ED alone is confusing without context.



CS saw a man with black bag - not confirmed to be MB. Don't want to start that argument again



Perhaps add Ex Llanbrynmair neighbour for clarity?

Just some suggestions

Thanks, Have made corrections...have left ED/EG as I think putting EAD may confuse even more. who knows!!:moo:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

In one of the previous threads. Roadblocks weren't put into place until at least a couple of hours after AJ disappeared. Horse, stable door, bolted, etc. Remember that AJ's estate is right on the eastern edge of town.

And just to reiterate, no witnesses reported the Land Rover 'crashing gears' on the night of the abduction, it was the next morning near his home at Ceinwy.
All that was reported was the MB was 'driving erratically', that may be due to other reasons such as alcohol or substances, not to do with serviceability of the vehicle.
Also, it had rained heavily overnight, some mud could have been washed off the car IF it had been off road.
As I don't know the area where the tyre marks near the river were found, is it definite that a vehicle would need to be 'off road' to have made the marks?

 

[Insp.Dots]

In one of the previous threads. Roadblocks weren't put into place until at least a couple of hours after AJ disappeared. Horse, stable door, bolted, etc. Remember that AJ's estate is right on the eastern edge of town.

Yes that what I was thinking, but wasn't sure on RB times, thanks.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Whether he lived on the estate or not, he seems to have been a regular visitor there. He was friends with PJ. It was reported that he visited his children S & C from his time with EG nee ED. Indeed on FB, S & C have his surname. He took S & C "crabbing" and April went along. He went to the parents evening, presumably because of his children. So it seems fair to say that he was not as estranged from ED/EG as he was from the split with his wife JW.

Women who can't stand their ex often change the children's surnames to their own, especially when they weren't married in the first place. MB's son uses his Mum's maiden name. The fact that the two children with ED nee EG have their father's surname supports what has been reported - that MB and their mother were still on good terms.

 

[veggiefan]

Re: AJ's body still on the estate

1...The vehicle was in a bad state of repair

But it was perfectly capable of being driven off the estate to Ceinws and then back to Machynlleth.

2...I believe he blocked parents in at parents evening because he either couldn't find a parking space, or needed easy access to get out.

Why does that suggest AJ is still on the estate?

3...His recovered vehicle from the repair garage shows no sign of off-road activity.

Perhaps it was not taken off road? He wouldn't have needed to drive in order to throw a small body into the river that runs right by his cottage.

4...If MB is guilty, I don't believe it was premeditated because only an idiot would take a child in a vehicle known to be his on an estate where people and children knew him.

It would be even more stupid to hide the body on an estate which would obviously be searched in minute detail.

5...The majority of abduction are done by family members and close acquaintances.

Agreed. But that is no indication that the body would have been left on the estate.

6...Stealing a child in a dodgy vehicle with a chance of breakdown is a very risky thing to do. If it was MB and his intention was murder he would have to act very quickly and dispose of a body just as quickly and probably on foot. No body has yet been found even though river searches were undertaken almost immediately.

I'm pretty much convinced that the body was washed out to sea weeks ago, which is was what the perpetrator hoped would happen.

My own conclusions are that April is still on that estate.

Sorry not to find your reasons very convincing.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

And just to reiterate, no witnesses reported the Land Rover 'crashing gears' on the night of the abduction, it was the next morning near his home at Ceinwy.
All that was reported was the MB was 'driving erratically', that may be due to other reasons such as alcohol or substances, not to do with serviceability of the vehicle.
Also, it had rained heavily overnight, some mud could have been washed off the car IF it had been off road.
As I don't know the area where the tyre marks near the river were found, is it definite that a vehicle would need to be 'off road' to have made the marks?

It could still be that the vehicle did have problems on that day. You cannot partially wash off mud and get a perfect, partially dusty, dirty vehicle that the police showed.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Very good point......So where do we think he went AFTER driving from the estate?
Do we have evidence he would have only gone a certain way? I remember someone mentioning Road Blocks.

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

I think there are others involved, that it may have been a 'kidnap' which went wrong. Police know what they are doing, it will all come out in the wash.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It could still be that the vehicle did have problems on that day. You cannot partially wash off mud and get a perfect, partially dusty, dirty vehicle that the police showed.

I don't wash my car very often, when it lashes down rain it cleans it a bit but still leaves that dusty film that you can see along the side of MB's car.

Whether or not the car had problems on the Monday, I haven't seen anything reported that would suggest it.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Re: AJ's body still on the estate



But it was perfectly capable of being driven off the estate to Ceinws and then back to Machynlleth.




Why does that suggest AJ is still on the estate?



Perhaps it was not taken off road? He wouldn't have needed to drive in order to throw a small body into the river that runs right by his cottage.



It would be even more stupid to hide the body on an estate which would obviously be searched in minute detail.



Agreed. But that is no indication that the body would have been left on the estate.



I'm pretty much convinced that the body was washed out to sea weeks ago, which is was what the perpetrator hoped would happen.



Sorry not to find your reasons very convincing.

I thought the police were watching the estuary? Isn't there a report of another death in that river taking 9 days for the body to wash out to the estuary? This is a close knit gossiping community. Bridger would know she would be reported missing immediately. How could he be certain of dumping a body in the river and getting away with it.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I think there are others involved, that it may have been a 'kidnap' which went wrong. Police know what they are doing, it will all come out in the wash.

Money could be a motive.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

'Wales Tonight', ITV, Thurs 4 Oct. 17 minutes and well worth watching to get the feel of the whole area, MB home, search etc.

http://(vimeo).com/50778920 (remove brackets () from vimeo to view)

Bumping this up for anyone who hasn't seen it. Gives a better overview of what non-locals are trying to visualise. May help to rule out some theories - or rule in