Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Insp.Dots]

Mmmh, not sure how this is the other way round, but ok.

I think Veggie means that if he doesn't/hasn't helped which we are led to believe due to the Perverting charge they will throw the book at him and there will be no leaniency


What if he does tell where the body is? Would he get an earlier chance for parole?

I would think that would now be down to the Judge after Trial when he gives sentence. I also read somewhere on a law page that for a child killer in these circumstances it may well be a 'whole life sentence' with no chance of release. I think to get that they will have a fight with no body.

I think posters here need to remember that there is an awful lot of evidence and information that will not be given out before the trial. This is now Sub Judice so we all need to be careful what we say! moo

 

[Insp.Dots]

Not necessarily so if she thought she would be in trouble.

The report that was made about the 7 yr old pleading/begging April not to get in were hearsay, we don't know for sure what the 7yr old said to Police or anyone else other than she got into the Van.

 

[nursebeeme]

The report that was made about the 7 yr old pleading/begging April not to get in were hearsay, we don't know for sure what the 7yr old said to Police or anyone else other than she got into the Van.

yup

the police pressers held a lot of information. And that is all we will get until he hopefully meets the good lady Justice.

I truly hope April will be able to be recovered as well.

 

[nursebeeme]

reminder: sleuthing or speculating about April's family is OFF LIMITS.

 

[Adorabella]

Hmmm from a child's perspective you can imagine the scenario - she sees AJ get into MBs car and returns home. CJ comes looking and child says what happened thinking its all perfectly ok. Adults then start to.panic, raised voices tell us tell us, why didn't you stop her etc. Child then says she tried to, begged her as adults become more frantic
That.also.lends credence to something happening on crabbing trip to cause a split.with last gf - Perhaps the adults were concerned and.know a.lot more than.we've been privy to?

Hello! Interesting theory that something may have happened on the 'crabbing' trip. However, it seems to me that if 'something' did happen that, a) the parent's would have told their children to keep out of MB's way and perhaps have already called the police to report the incident, or there would at least have been a big to do about it within the family/ neighbourhood, (I know I would have called the authorities if my child told me something untoward had occurred)...and b) because of that no child from the 'crabbing' trip who wasn't related to MB , i.e. AJ, would willingly get into MB's vehicle either having already been molested or some such, or knowing that they would then have to face the wrath of their parents.

Also odd is that PJ wasn't present for appeals etc but was apparently well enough to go out and have a tattoo. I think perhaps something happened or was said between MB and PJ (if MB is the guilty party) and that that is weighing on PJ's conscience in some way, as it could be the trigger for this current situation.

 

[Somerset_sleuth]

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[Elainera]

I also read somewhere on a law page that for a child killer in these circumstances it may well be a 'whole life sentence' with no chance of release.

As it should be. Why these monsters should ever be let out again is beyond me.

I think posters here need to remember that there is an awful lot of evidence and information that will not be given out before the trial. This is now Sub Judice so we all need to be careful what we say! moo

Can you be more specific? What could we say that would be against the law? We don't know anything. (sincere question, I simply don't know)

 

[Insp.Dots]

FOR ANYONE UNSURE THE LINK BELOW IS TO POLICE PRESS RELEASES....THESE ARE THE ONLY FACTS WE KNOW.


http://www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en...missing-5-year-old-april-jones-in-machynlleth

 

[Insp.Dots]

As it should be. Why these monsters should ever be let out again is beyond me.



Can you be more specific? What could we say that would be against the law? We don't know anything. (sincere question, I simply don't know)

The sub judice rule regulates the publication of matters which are under consideration by the court. Matters are considered to be sub judice (Latin for 'under judgment') once legal proceedings become active.
Criminal proceedings are deemed active once a person is arrested, a warrant for arrest has been issued, a summons has been issued or a person has been charged and remain active until conviction. Civil proceedings become active, in England, when the hearing date for the trial is arranged and, in Scotland, when the parties' pleadings have been finalised and the record is closed.
Publication of material which is sub judice comprises contempt of court, a crime which is punishable by a fine of unlimited amount and/or imprisonment for up to two years. Third party costs orders may also be awarded against the media organisation, enabling the courts to recover the costs of any trial aborted as a result of the prejudicial reporting.
There are two forms of contempt of court:
statutory contempt of court under the Contempt of Court Act 1981, which criminalises the publication of material which creates a substantial risk that the course of justice in the relevant proceedings would be seriously impeded or prejudiced; and
common law contempt, which targets any other action which is intended to interfere with the administration of justice, including interfering with pending or imminent court proceedings.

 

[Clutchbag]

The sub judice rule regulates the publication of matters which are under consideration by the court. Matters are considered to be sub judice (Latin for 'under judgment') once legal proceedings become active.
Criminal proceedings are deemed active once a person is arrested, a warrant for arrest has been issued, a summons has been issued or a person has been charged and remain active until conviction. Civil proceedings become active, in England, when the hearing date for the trial is arranged and, in Scotland, when the parties' pleadings have been finalised and the record is closed.
Publication of material which is sub judice comprises contempt of court, a crime which is punishable by a fine of unlimited amount and/or imprisonment for up to two years. Third party costs orders may also be awarded against the media organisation, enabling the courts to recover the costs of any trial aborted as a result of the prejudicial reporting.
There are two forms of contempt of court:
statutory contempt of court under the Contempt of Court Act 1981, which criminalises the publication of material which creates a substantial risk that the course of justice in the relevant proceedings would be seriously impeded or prejudiced; and
common law contempt, which targets any other action which is intended to interfere with the administration of justice, including interfering with pending or imminent court proceedings.

What does that mean in practice for posting on internet forums. can you give an example? Something which might be considered illegal? if the public dont know any facts which are not in the public domain how can anyone prejudice a trial?

 

[Insp.Dots]

It is quite hard to understand. I think it is fine to discuss things that Police have made Public and Media. Some reports on this case have been removed and I think this is because it is now evidence. Not 100% as I only know bits due to a policeman in the family. ADMIN on here have written a list of do's and don't's to make it easier!
I think we'll all be glad when it gets to court and god-willing they find April!

 

[Insp.Dots]

What does that mean in practice for posting on internet forums. can you give an example? Something which might be considered illegal?

Hmmm...Ok, perhaps something like. I think 'NAME' is a sexual predator too...OR
I think 'NAME' is guilty because he's got a Scorpio Tattoo...
you are saying something which has NO evidence behind it so it is unfair to the Defendent..
It's all about him and his Lawyers etc being able to say he had a fair trial. IF as is starting to happen on FB there are groups being made accusing him before the trial, saying untrues or that the Media has portrayed him unfairly they can claim it would be an unfair trial.

Google explains things much better than me I'm sure

 

[Insp.Dots]

Of course it can be the same from the victims point if they are spoken about in a libelous/slanderous fashion.
This is the danger with Chinese Whispers, with the internet it can turn opinion very quickly!!

 

[Clutchbag]

Hmmm...Ok, perhaps something like. I think 'NAME' is a sexual predator too...OR
I think 'NAME' is guilty because he's got a Scorpio Tattoo...
you are saying something which has NO evidence behind it so it is unfair to the Defendent..
It's all about him and his Lawyers etc being able to say he had a fair trial. IF as is starting to happen on FB there are groups being made accusing him before the trial, saying untrues or that the Media has portrayed him unfairly they can claim it would be an unfair trial.

Google explains things much better than me I'm sure

Oh I see, got you now was barking up the wrong tree about speculating what may or may not have happened and who might or might not be involved.Anyway will have to dig that list out you mentioned again. though from what has been said so far we shouldnt speculate about the family, which is fair enough, not sure if that extends to extended family or friends and colleagues. tragically in these cases it is majority of time someone known to them, and where murder is concerned in the 90% bracket

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[Insp.Dots]

Oh I see, got you know. was barking up the wrong tree about speculating what may or may not have happened and who might or might not be involved.Anyway will have to dig that list out you mentioned again.

Believe me i'm no expert, am learning as I go along. It is a nightmare for the Police and Lawyers for both sides not to mention April's poor family.

I also think that because we have so little definite info people are much more likely to add the stories. Even if MB had confessed i'm not sure we'd have been told which leaves everyone thinking he is a cold/evil hearted Murderer, that in itself seems unfair until it's proven.
He MUST have said something though as the judge said prosecution have been made aware of what his likely defence will be...IF ONLY WE KNEW TOO!!

 

[Clutchbag]

januarys only round the corner, does anyone know because i cant remember, if theres a no guilty plea in january how much longer could it be for the trial

 

[Inge Jones]

Does this thread stay in Missing until April's found? What about if she's not found before the actual trial? Will we be allowed to discuss the suspect and witnesses at the trial like we did for example with Casey Anthony?

 

[Insp.Dots]

januarys only round the corner, does anyone know because i cant remember, if theres a no guilty plea in january how much longer could it be for the trial

No idea, though the Judge did say he wants the trial asap in consideration of the young witnesses welfare.
On the other hand the Police will want as long as possible in the hope of finding a Body or more evidence to secure a Murder Conviction.

I was thinking that maybe while he is on remand, he may well think more about the position he's in or even perhaps be persuaded by a visitor to open up to the police IF he does know more than he has said. MOO

 

[Clutchbag]

Does this thread stay in Missing until April's found? What about if she's not found before the actual trial? Will we be allowed to discuss the suspect and witnesses at the trial like we did for example with Casey Anthony?

Once the trial starts and the info is public I dont see why not or does that subjudice rule extend to end of a trial, dont think so

 

[Insp.Dots]

Once the trial starts and the info is public I dont see why not or does that subjudice rule extend to end of a trial, dont think so

Yeah, unfortunately it is until a conviction is made or aquittal, end of Trial!