Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[nursebeeme]

Does this thread stay in Missing until April's found? What about if she's not found before the actual trial? Will we be allowed to discuss the suspect and witnesses at the trial like we did for example with Casey Anthony?

If she is located we will move to located forum until trial. Once trial starts we will move to the trials forum. Hth

 

[Clutchbag]

Yeah, unfortunately it is until a conviction is made or aquittal, end of Trial!

You sure about that? When the casey anthony trial was on last year whenever there was a break you had the legal commentators on tv talking about what happened, what they thought of this lawyerm that lawyer, judges comments, caseys body language, talk about the testimony, other witnesses, etc etc

i forget the name of the channel, they had live stream of the trial and the publics questions and comments online

its commentary and opinion and far as i know the jury are kept away from all media during a trial

Of course in the uk we wont have it televised i dont think but will have journalists updating us every day, and maybe the judge will allow tweeting from court

 

[Inge Jones]

You sure about that? When the casey anthony trial was on last year whenever there was a break you had the legal commentators on tv talking about what happened, what they thought of this lawyerm that lawyer, judges comments, caseys body language, talk about the testimony, other witnesses, etc etc

its commentary and opinion and far as i know the jury are kept away from all media during a trial

But that's USA law. They can talk abuot the suspect, witnesses and victims as much as they like. The only thing they're not allowed to do is talk to the jurors about it. That's why it takes so long to choose jurors cos they have to find ones who have taken no notice of the case until then.

 

[Clutchbag]

But that's USA law. They can talk abuot the suspect, witnesses and victims as much as they like. The only thing they're not allowed to do is talk to the jurors about it. That's why it takes so long to choose jurors cos they have to find ones who have taken no notice of the case until then.

Ok thanks but i remember the jo yeates trial here and we were getting media reports daily and there was discussion on sky news forum and other places

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Why a dead body?



Why not leave it until the next morning?

Sorry, but you are making far too many assumptions.

Ok, so he's driving around with someone he shouldn't have been. Why wait until morning when the police are onto him virtually immediately and he'd been seen by a child.

 

[Inge Jones]

On the other hand I don't know if the UK court has any jurisdiction where this forum is run from. There is nothing to stop UK crimes being discussed outside the UK, as far as I know.

 

[Insp.Dots]

You sure about that? When the casey anthony trial was on last year whenever there was a break you had the legal commentators on tv talking about what happened, what they thought of this lawyerm that lawyer, judges comments, caseys body language, talk about the testimony, other witnesses, etc etc

i forget the name of the channel, they had live stream of the trial and the publics questions and comments online

its commentary and opinion and far as i know the jury are kept away from all media during a trial

Of course in the uk we wont have it televised i dont think but will have journalists updating us every day, and maybe the judge will allow tweeting from court

http://www.independentproducerhandb...-proceedings/contempt-or-subjudice-rules.html

The legal test
In short, once legal proceedings become "active", it is a criminal offence for media organisations to broadcast material which would create "a substantial risk of serious prejudice" to the proceedings. Criminal proceedings become "active" as soon as one of the following has occurred: a person is arrested, a warrant for arrest is issued, a summons has been issued, or a person has been charged, and they remain so until such time as the accused has been acquitted or convicted. Civil proceedings e.g. libel proceedings, become active when the hearing date for the trial is arranged and, in Scotland, when the record (written case) is closed.

Once a person has been convicted, whether or not they have been sentenced, proceedings cease to be ‘active' and there is much more scope for commenting on the proceedings and making comments about the convicted person/publishing material which it was not possible to disseminate before or during the trial.

Finally, note that UK contempt laws only apply to legal proceedings that are taking place in the UK. You could not, therefore, be in contempt of US legal proceedings for broadcasting prejudicial material in the UK.

 

[TulipaNoir]

Where did you get that from?

April was playing with 7 year old MH (A neighbour's daughter). I do not believe she is the godmother's daughter. CJ knew April was playing with MH so she went round to MH's house to be told AJ had got in a "van".

CJ then phoned MR (Godmother) to say April had been kidnapped.

Plus the Godmother does not live in Machynlleth. She lives in Aberystwyth. Unless she was visiting Machynlleth I doubt any of her kid(s) were anywhere near when 'it' happened.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

bbm: we already have the perp in custody and charged

That's exactly the point I was making. In the beginning I was confused as to how a white/light grey van transposed into a blue LR, convincing me this was a stranger abduction. Now, the more I have thought about it, I am convinced otherwise.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

That's exactly the point I was making. In the beginning I was confused as to how a white/light grey van transposed into a blue LR, convincing me this was a stranger abduction. Now, the more I have thought about it, I am convinced otherwise. I do agree that he hasn't been found guilty as yet, merely charged.

I'm confused because it could just as easily be a stranger who could exit out and get onto the motorway never to be seen again, but the fact Coral assumed straight away that her daughter was kidnapped means she knows something we don't. Bridger might have seen her as the reason for the break up with his girlfriend as they were best friends. We won't know until the trial.

 

[Cherwell]

I was wondering if MB ever drove another vehicle in connection with his work.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm confused because it could just as easily be a stranger who could exit out and get onto the motorway never to be seen again,but the fact Coral assumed straight away that her daughter was kidnapped means she knows something we don't. Bridger might have seen her as the reason for the break up with his girlfriend as they were best friends. We won't know until the trial.

I respectfully disagree. I think there are a number of moms who would suspect their child was kidnapped as soon as they realized they were not where they were supposed to be, and after hearing a playmate say that the child got into a vehicle with someone. IMO, it's not productive to try to analyze a parent's thoughts and feelings when we can't possibly know WHY they were thinking or feeling something. She could have had a very good reason for suspecting this man as well.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

well, I trust law enforcement that they have met the legal burden to charge him. As for the rest, well, even if he walks free that does not mean he didn't commit the crime.

Exactly. People need to realise that any verdict reached in any court case has little to do with actual guilt. Especially in the UK.

 

[George Gently]

I was in the district of Merioneth in North Wales today.

As long as there is hope, then like many people, I will continue to hope that April will be found alive and well.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

I've been off the net for 3 days and it's taken a lot of reading to get back up to speed with what's been posted here.

Some background info for a start. Streetlighting: in Powys, it's been predominantly low-pressure sodium (SOX) - which gives monochromatic orange light - for decades. Only in the past 10 years have some high-pressure sodium (SON) started to be used. This has a yellow/pink colour. On some housing estates (especially some of the rougher ones), white LED lighting is now used in a few places. Thus, the lighting near the garage, and near the place where April was abducted, could be either one of these lighting types. Without going and having a look for myself, I couldn't say which type is in use. Streetview is no use, as Powys CC could well have changed the lamp since Google went round with their car.

Under SOX lighting, a blue vehicle would appear pretty dark. The only vehicle which would show up cream would be a light coloured or white coloured vehicle. Even then it would appear orange. Under SON, a white or cream coloured vehicle could show up as cream, sort of. Under LED, you'd have a much better colour rendition.

In terms of dark/dusk, from memory, the sun would have set by 19:30 that day, but there would still be daylight from the sky. There wouldn't be much, but it wouldn't have been completely dark. Dusk fits the bill.

As far as the estate goes, it was originally built by Powys CC, so local authority council housing. The houses which hadn't been sold to owner-occupiers would have been transferred to Clwyd-Alyn Housing Association some years ago. Powys CC has very little council housing stock left. I wouldn't describe Bryn-y-Gôg as a ghetto estate. OK, it has a "community office" and I think a credit union office (same building), which are usually signs of a troubled area, but I've parked there a few times without worry, when I've gone to do my railway photography round the corner at Garth. In terms of council estates, it's actually quite respectable, and not in the same league as Treowen or Maesyrhandir in Newtown, which probably are best described as Beirut on steroids.

As far as Talyllyn lake (the "fishing lake near MB's house") is concerned, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been sonar swept yet - there's been nothing in the local media about that, which does surprise me. Assuming that April has been dumped there, any perp would struggle to get her into the middle of the lake, without rowing a boat out in the middle of the night in pitch darkness. The best anyone could do is to throw her from the roadside, and then you'd not get any farther than 10ft out. Reeds flank the southern shore of the lake. There's also nowhere discreet to park to carry out such an action - it's a case of pulling into a roadside layby and do the deed. But at 3am, nobody would be around to notice.

Sadly, there's a million and one places April could be hidden away, and without any solid intel, LE face an uphill struggle. As I posted on one of the previous threads, unless someone else is looking after her, it's doubtful she'd have survived one night out in the open. An adult would struggle to survive out in the exposed wilderness of mid-Wales.

That's assuming she hadn't been driven to a road interchange somewhere over the border, and got whisked away by someone else. Unless and until someone tips LE off, they'll never know where she is. And as someone else had posted, the local wildlife would've made short work of disposing of her, had she been dumped somewhere out in the countryside. In terms of "finding April," as this thread is about, then the possibilities of that are vanishingly small, sadly.

 

[Clutchbag]

Exactly. People need to realise that any verdict reached in any court case has little to do with actual guilt. Especially in the UK.

Well said

 

[cluciano63]

I've been off the net for 3 days and it's taken a lot of reading to get back up to speed with what's been posted here.

Some background info for a start. Streetlighting: in Powys, it's been predominantly low-pressure sodium (SOX) - which gives monochromatic orange light - for decades. Only in the past 10 years have some high-pressure sodium (SON) started to be used. This has a yellow/pink colour. On some housing estates (especially some of the rougher ones), white LED lighting is now used in a few places. Thus, the lighting near the garage, and near the place where April was abducted, could be either one of these lighting types. Without going and having a look for myself, I couldn't say which type is in use. Streetview is no use, as Powys CC could well have changed the lamp since Google went round with their car.

Under SOX lighting, a blue vehicle would appear pretty dark. The only vehicle which would show up cream would be a light coloured or white coloured vehicle. Even then it would appear orange. Under SON, a white or cream coloured vehicle could show up as cream, sort of. Under LED, you'd have a much better colour rendition.

In terms of dark/dusk, from memory, the sun would have set by 19:30 that day, but there would still be daylight from the sky. There wouldn't be much, but it wouldn't have been completely dark. Dusk fits the bill.

As far as the estate goes, it was originally built by Powys CC, so local authority council housing. The houses which hadn't been sold to owner-occupiers would have been transferred to Clwyd-Alyn Housing Association some years ago. Powys CC has very little council housing stock left. I wouldn't describe Bryn-y-Gôg as a ghetto estate. OK, it has a "community office" and I think a credit union office (same building), which are usually signs of a troubled area, but I've parked there a few times without worry, when I've gone to do my railway photography round the corner at Garth. In terms of council estates, it's actually quite respectable, and not in the same league as Treowen or Maesyrhandir in Newtown, which probably are best described as Beirut on steroids.

As far as Talyllyn lake (the "fishing lake near MB's house") is concerned, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been sonar swept yet - there's been nothing in the local media about that, which does surprise me. Assuming that April has been dumped there, any perp would struggle to get her into the middle of the lake, without rowing a boat out in the middle of the night in pitch darkness. The best anyone could do is to throw her from the roadside, and then you'd not get any farther than 10ft out. Reeds flank the southern shore of the lake. There's also nowhere discreet to park to carry out such an action - it's a case of pulling into a roadside layby and do the deed. But at 3am, nobody would be around to notice.

Sadly, there's a million and one places April could be hidden away, and without any solid intel, LE face an uphill struggle. As I posted on one of the previous threads, unless someone else is looking after her, it's doubtful she'd have survived one night out in the open. An adult would struggle to survive out in the exposed wilderness of mid-Wales.

That's assuming she hadn't been driven to a road interchange somewhere over the border, and got whisked away by someone else. Unless and until someone tips LE off, they'll never know where she is. And as someone else had posted, the local wildlife would've made short work of disposing of her, had she been dumped somewhere out in the countryside. In terms of "finding April," as this thread is about, then the possibilities of that are vanishingly small, sadly.

It will just be a matter of luck, if she is found, and probably will not be by official searchers. We have so many little ones missing over here in USA whose bodies have never been found. Lot of adults, too.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

I've been off the net for 3 days and it's taken a lot of reading to get back up to speed with what's been posted here.

Some background info for a start. Streetlighting: in Powys, it's been predominantly low-pressure sodium (SOX) - which gives monochromatic orange light - for decades. Only in the past 10 years have some high-pressure sodium (SON) started to be used. This has a yellow/pink colour. On some housing estates (especially some of the rougher ones), white LED lighting is now used in a few places. Thus, the lighting near the garage, and near the place where April was abducted, could be either one of these lighting types. Without going and having a look for myself, I couldn't say which type is in use. Streetview is no use, as Powys CC could well have changed the lamp since Google went round with their car.

Under SOX lighting, a blue vehicle would appear pretty dark. The only vehicle which would show up cream would be a light coloured or white coloured vehicle. Even then it would appear orange. Under SON, a white or cream coloured vehicle could show up as cream, sort of. Under LED, you'd have a much better colour rendition.

In terms of dark/dusk, from memory, the sun would have set by 19:30 that day, but there would still be daylight from the sky. There wouldn't be much, but it wouldn't have been completely dark. Dusk fits the bill.

As far as the estate goes, it was originally built by Powys CC, so local authority council housing. The houses which hadn't been sold to owner-occupiers would have been transferred to Clwyd-Alyn Housing Association some years ago. Powys CC has very little council housing stock left. I wouldn't describe Bryn-y-Gôg as a ghetto estate. OK, it has a "community office" and I think a credit union office (same building), which are usually signs of a troubled area, but I've parked there a few times without worry, when I've gone to do my railway photography round the corner at Garth. In terms of council estates, it's actually quite respectable, and not in the same league as Treowen or Maesyrhandir in Newtown, which probably are best described as Beirut on steroids.

As far as Talyllyn lake (the "fishing lake near MB's house") is concerned, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been sonar swept yet - there's been nothing in the local media about that, which does surprise me. Assuming that April has been dumped there, any perp would struggle to get her into the middle of the lake, without rowing a boat out in the middle of the night in pitch darkness. The best anyone could do is to throw her from the roadside, and then you'd not get any farther than 10ft out. Reeds flank the southern shore of the lake. There's also nowhere discreet to park to carry out such an action - it's a case of pulling into a roadside layby and do the deed. But at 3am, nobody would be around to notice.

Sadly, there's a million and one places April could be hidden away, and without any solid intel, LE face an uphill struggle. As I posted on one of the previous threads, unless someone else is looking after her, it's doubtful she'd have survived one night out in the open. An adult would struggle to survive out in the exposed wilderness of mid-Wales.

That's assuming she hadn't been driven to a road interchange somewhere over the border, and got whisked away by someone else. Unless and until someone tips LE off, they'll never know where she is. And as someone else had posted, the local wildlife would've made short work of disposing of her, had she been dumped somewhere out in the countryside. In terms of "finding April," as this thread is about, then the possibilities of that are vanishingly small, sadly.

I agree, I've gone camping in Wales at all times of the year and even under tent cover, it's sleeping bag, plus socks, thermals and a coat for night time.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

It's now two weeks since little April went missing. I agree that if she is ever found, it will more than likely be some poor unfortunate out walking. Dreadful, really dreadful.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

It's now two weeks since little April went missing. I agree that if she is ever found, it will more than likely be some poor unfortunate out walking. Dreadful, really dreadful.

This is my hunch at the moment. Some poor forestry worker, or farmer, or hill walker. And it could well be just remains found, like large parts of her jacket. JMO and all that.