Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

Exactly, you don't just pick up a child like that and nick off, even a parent wouldn't do that without telling the other where they'd gone to. If you leave your child outside playing somewhere that's where you expect them to be.

I agree, but the relationships appear so tangled that one cannot fully judge character and responsibility.

 

[veggiefan]

I'm working off the press saying the little girl knew who it was

I don't think that is true. It is assumed that April knew the driver because she got into the vehicle willingly. That's all.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

A fit ex soldier and not a very smart one.

A fit 'wannabe' ex soldier? MOD quoted as saying no record of service- haven't seen that challenged. Certainly liked the camo gear though.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Ben Edwards, 22, said Mark Bridger, 46, had rifles and handguns mounted on his wall. Mr Edwards said the older man told him the weapons had been “made safe” and showed him a firearms licence for a rifle he kept in a box. He said: “Mark also kept samurai swords on the table, he was a bit of a weapons collector and his style was military. He loved his Swiss Army knife, which he always carried around with him.”

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...marine-unit-scours-river-dyfi-91466-32012993/

A police firearms marine unit has been called in to scour the swollen River Dyfi as the search for missing April Jones continues.

Has anymore been said about this??

 

[veggiefan]

My granddaughter did when she was 3, if the car was the same as belonged to a family member.

I think we can assume that the 7-year old did not identify the car as a Land Rover, since the police initially said "April was seen getting into a light-coloured van that drove off". Even the next morning they were not mentioning any specific type of vehicle, but instead a "grey or light-coloured van, or van-sized vehicle"

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I agree, but the relationships appear so tangled that one cannot fully judge character and responsibility.

I think you missed my point, which was that I would expect CJ to panic EVEN if she knew who had picked up April, because you just don't do that without prior arrangements or immediately phoning to tell Mum.
Doesn't mean that there were any antecedents to make her worry about who April was with.
As has been said already too, the first thing you would do is ring his mobile, we assume it didn't answer, so then you would go into royal panic mode.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

A fit ex soldier and not a very smart one.

Except he wasn't a soldier. Didn't the MoD deny that he was ever in the armed forces?

 

[Inge Jones]

And considering that MB was AWOL from around the time of the abduction and until the next afternoon when he was arrested, and that in normal circumstances a person so close to the family and with the skills he has including 'potholing' and generally pretty fit and had worked in the forest, wouldn't he have been right up there with the searchers?
Instead he's arrested while 'strolling' along the riverbank. Hello???

If it is true what we've provisionally deduced, which is that no one directly involved with the case knew exactly where he was living as he'd only just moved there, then it is possible he simply hadn't heard. Possibility is that he went home that evening and got drunk, so that he could add more cans to his recycling. While doing so he listened to CDs rather than the TV. Then, in the early hours of the morning he conked out asleep, till just before lunch (the times given are my own guesses not something I have read) when he needed to start looking for a place that could take his car for repairs. WHile in the car he played CDs rather than listen to the radio. Then he dropped off the car, and started walking back to wherever he was going, with the bag of rubbish he cleared out of his car before leaving it, antisocially dumping it in the river, and then got spotted and picked up. I mean, don't we all have a bag of rubbish we hurriedly clear out of our cars when handing them in for repairs.

NB I am not proclaiming his innocence, as he is the official suspect. I am simply saying that what he have read so far in the press is not the evidence that could be relied on in the trial as it's too open to other explanations.

 

[Clio]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...marine-unit-scours-river-dyfi-91466-32012993/

Has anymore been said about this??

I haven't seen anything more but then I wouldn't necessarily expect to. Unless they find April, they are not going to announce what, if anything, they do find imo.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

If it is true what we've provisionally deduced, which is that no one directly involved with the case knew exactly where he was living as he'd only just moved there, then it is possible he simply hadn't heard. Possibility is that he went home that evening and got drunk, so that he could add more cans to his recycling. While doing so he listened to CDs rather than the TV. Then, in the early hours of the morning he conked out asleep, till just before lunch (the times given are my own guesses not something I have read) when he needed to start looking for a place that could take his car for repairs. WHile in the car he played CDs rather than listen to the radio. Then he dropped off the car, and started walking back to wherever he was going, with the bag of rubbish he cleared out of his car before leaving it, antisocially dumping it in the river, and then got spotted and picked up. I mean, don't we all have a bag of rubbish we hurriedly clear out of our cars when handing them in for repairs.

NB I am not proclaiming his innocence, as he is the official suspect. I am simply saying that what he have read so far in the press is not the evidence that could be relied on in the trial as it's too open to other explanations.

And had his mobile switched off the whole time?
Then, while strolling along riverbank prior to arrest, asks a searcher how it's going?

 

[UKgirl]

I think we can assume that the 7-year old did not identify the car as a Land Rover, since the police initially said "April was seen getting into a light-coloured van that drove off". Even the next morning they were not mentioning any specific type of vehicle, but instead a "grey or light-coloured van, or van-sized vehicle"

THe more I think of it, the more this still bothers me. I just cant get my mind around it. I am trying to think that maybe it was dusk and hard for the child witness to see, but these are the sunrise/sunset times. As you can see it would have just have beginning to be sunset at 6.37pm not even dusk for a while after.

1 Oct 2012

07:02

18:37


There is such a difference from a transit van to a landrover, its higher off the ground for one and also the wheels are bigger. Even for a small child the difference is alot. Colours though, a very small child would know, especially the difference between cream and dark blue.

 

[UKgirl]

Except he wasn't a soldier. Didn't the MoD deny that he was ever in the armed forces?

Yes they did, he wasnt listed in the forces.

 

[Inge Jones]

And had his mobile switched off the whole time?
Then, while strolling along riverbank prior to arrest, asks a searcher how it's going?

The mobile being off is the one fly in the ointment, though I can imagine that only his last partner would know that number, as people do typically change their phones and numbers (especially if you switch from a tariff to a PAYG when you lose your income) from time to time. And if she had not at the time heard Coral's suspicions about Mark, maybe it simply didn't occur to her to get him involved by phoning him.

As to the how's it going, that is a typical British greeting. "Hi, how's it going?" is just like "Ca va?" the French greeting.

Before getting scolded I do need to add I am not disputing that the police have more conclusive evidence, but it has to be more than this, which is so easy to explain in other more innocent ways.

 

[UKgirl]

The mobile being off is the one fly in the ointment, though I can imagine that only his last partner would know that number, as people do typically change their phones and numbers (especially if you switch from a tariff to a PAYG when you lose your income) from time to time. And if she had not at the time heard Coral's suspicions about Mark, maybe it simply didn't occur to her to get him involved by phoning him.

As to the how's it going, that is a typical British greeting. "Hi, how's it going?" is just like "Ca va?" the French greeting.

Before getting scolded I do need to add I am not disputing that the police have more conclusive evidence, but it has to be more than this, which is so easy to explain in other more innocent ways.

I agree, most people do talk that way "hows it going" could be a hello or a friendly introduction. I dont think it would have been any way of finding out whats happening from the police officer. Ian huntly did this also with the media, its almost a "i'm here and not been caught yet" kind of attitude.

 

[Elainera]

Interesting opinion piece The media - Judge and Jury which uses this case as an example, discusses the impact the media has on people's view of the suspect.

http://lexisweb.co.uk/content/the-media-judge-and-jury

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I said yesterday his chest tattoo said a lot about his personality. This is a man who thinks he is better than others, the tattoo is a warning of what to expect. Possessive, jealous, vengeful. Incapable of accepting rejection.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

The mobile being off is the one fly in the ointment, though I can imagine that only his last partner would know that number, as people do typically change their phones and numbers (especially if you switch from a tariff to a PAYG when you lose your income) from time to time. And if she had not at the time heard Coral's suspicions about Mark, maybe it simply didn't occur to her to get him involved by phoning him.

As to the how's it going, that is a typical British greeting. "Hi, how's it going?" is just like "Ca va?" the French greeting.

Before getting scolded I do need to add I am not disputing that the police have more conclusive evidence, but it has to be more than this, which is so easy to explain in other more innocent ways.

Also bear in mind that mobile coverage in rural Wales is exceptionally bad. It's not too bad down the Dyfi valley around Mach, but the signal rapidly drops to nothing when going north to Corris and beyond. There are even several blackspots on the main road to Aberystwyth. If I was phoning someone in the Mach area and it wasn't picked up, I'd automatically assume they were out of coverage.

 

[Elainera]

A fit ex soldier and not a very smart one.

Not smart? Why not? I don't think we can deduct from anything we've read his IQ.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

And had his mobile switched off the whole time?
Then, while strolling along riverbank prior to arrest, asks a searcher how it's going?

Do we really know that he said that?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The mobile being off is the one fly in the ointment, though I can imagine that only his last partner would know that number, as people do typically change their phones and numbers (especially if you switch from a tariff to a PAYG when you lose your income) from time to time. And if she had not at the time heard Coral's suspicions about Mark, maybe it simply didn't occur to her to get him involved by phoning him.

As to the how's it going, that is a typical British greeting. "Hi, how's it going?" is just like "Ca va?" the French greeting.
Before getting scolded I do need to add I am not disputing that the police have more conclusive evidence, but it has to be more than this, which is so easy to explain in other more innocent ways.

He asked the searcher 'how it was going' i.e. the search, not asking the searcher how he or she was going.:banghead: