Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Inge Jones]

Did they actually say "there is no other vehicle involved in the case"?

Or did they say that they are not looking for any other vehicle?

I always thought when police say that sort of thing they're hinting "we don't think any other was involved" without actually being in contempt of court by saying it specifically. Like when someone has been aquitted at trial, the media ask them if they are going to carry on trying to find an alternative suspect, and they say "We are not currently planning to look for any other suspects" which is their way of saying "nah - he did it, he just managed to get off" lol.

 

[UKgirl]

Did they actually say "there is no other vehicle involved in the case"?

Or did they say that they are not looking for any other vehicle?

Here is the you tube link for the press conference.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRHX85D26I4

 

[UKgirl]

Here is a timeline of key events since five-year-old April Jones went missing.

Monday October 1

7pm - April is playing with friends in the mid-Wales town of Machynlleth when she goes missing. According to witnesses she is taken away in a van or a four-wheel drive vehicle and there are no apparent signs of a struggle.

10.30pm - Dyfed Powys Police issue a statement saying: "We are increasingly concerned for a missing five-year-old, April, who was last seen playing on her bike in Machynlleth at about 7.30pm. April was seen getting into a light-coloured van as it drove off." Hundreds of local volunteers join the search for the little girl, and publicity is raised on Twitter and Facebook.

Tuesday October 2

8.30am - Police reveal more information about the circumstances of April's disappearance. The force said: "Her abduction took place around 7pm in the Bryn-y-Gog estate in Machynlleth. It was witnessed by another young child when April was seen getting into a grey or light-coloured van, or van-sized vehicle.

"At the time of her disappearance, April was wearing a purple knee-length coat with grey fur around the hood, her school white polo top and black trousers."

Local support for the search effort continues, with binmen downing tools to help. A leisure centre is used as a co-ordination point.

12pm - Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan, from Dyfed Powys Police, tells reporters it appears April got into the vehicle willingly. Officers are tackling the "delicate and time-consuming" task of speaking to the children who were with April around the time she was kidnapped, he says.

He also raises the possibility that the vehicle could be left-hand drive, as it appeared that April had got into the driver's side.

Police say they want to make sure that search volunteers are used in a co-ordinated way.

4.30pm - Police announce that a 46-year-old man has been arrested in connection with April's abduction. Mr Bevan says he was detained at about 3.30pm while walking along the side of the road a couple of miles outside Machynlleth. He lives locally and has a vehicle similar to the one described by witnesses who saw April's abduction, Mr Bevan says. He also says the vehicle has been recovered. He says the police's priority is finding April alive.

6pm - A special vigil service is held at St Peter's Church in Machynlleth, where prayers are said and candles lit for the safe return of the five-year-old.

7.45pm - It emerges that the man arrested over the abduction of April is known to her family.

8pm - He is named by sources as Mark Bridger, 46.

9.30pm - April's family release a statement through police, saying their lives have been "shattered".

The statement, read by Mr Bevan, says: "Last night our lives were shattered when our beautiful little girl April who was playing with friends was taken from us. We are devastated and our lives have stopped. Please, please if you have our little girl, let her come home to us."

Wednesday October 3

7.30am - Police say the overnight search, involving 40 trained police officers, dog handlers and mountain rescue teams, has yielded no news on April's whereabouts. Superintendent Ian John thanks the public for their efforts and warns of the "challenging conditions", asking people to leave the search to "members of our trained and skilled teams".

10.30am - Police release a photograph of Mark Bridger, 46, and confirm his identity to "end speculation". They also release a photograph of his Land Rover Discovery, which was seized from a repair garage in Machynlleth.

12.30pm - April's mother Coral Jones makes an emotional plea for any information that will help in the search. Ms Jones, who was accompanied by her stepfather, Dai Smith, sobbed as she said: "It's been 36 hours since April was taken from us. There must be someone out there who knows where she is and can help the police find her. We are desperate for any news. April is only five years old. Please, please, help find her."

6.30pm - It is revealed that April Jones regularly played with the daughters of Bridger, who is being questioned about her disappearance.

6.40pm - It emerges that Bridger's son joined the search for April before his father was arrested by police. Scott Williams says he has been estranged from his 46-year-old father for most of his life and only met him a couple of months before April disappeared.

11.30pm Detectives are given an extra 12 hours to question Bridger.

Thursday October 4

5.30pm - Superintendent Ian John says he is "very heartened" after the force receives more than 2,500 phone calls with information and investigators remain "determined" to find April.

11am Police appeal saying they are trying to "piece together" Bridger's movements around the time the five-year-old disappeared, as he is interviewed again.

4.30pm - Pink ribbons appear on homes across Machynlleth in a heartfelt show of solidarity for missing April, following an appeal from her mother for people to wear a pink ribbon.

Friday October 5

10.30am - Mr Bevan reveals Bridger is arrested on suspicion of murder.

12pm - It is revealed that murder suspect Mark Bridger attended the same school parents' evening - at Ysgol Gynradd Machynlleth - as April's mother and father just hours before the five-year-old disappeared.

Saturday October 6

3.40pm Bridger is charged with the abduction and murder of April

 

[Agatha Krispy]

No, this seems to be two different versions of the same witness. Already been discussed a few posts back.

So I have just seen but that's just an assumption that the two conflicting reports are one and the same. It's yet another conflict for me.

 

[Insp.Dots]

See my post 209 above.

ETA I didn't "get it" from anywhere, I had looked at the area using maps and Streetview. As you leave the village of Ceinws you cross a bridge to reach the main road.

I don't think it's "bad reporting", they have quoted a witness and I don't see the Dyfi mentioned. I think you just assumed it was the Dyfi bridge.

I saw also news report FROM Difi Bridge, I will try and look for it. Thanks

 

[Cherwell]

I always thought when police say that sort of thing they're hinting "we don't think any other was involved" without actually being in contempt of court by saying it specifically. Like when someone has been aquitted at trial, the media ask them if they are going to carry on trying to find an alternative suspect, and they say "We are not currently planning to look for any other suspects" which is their way of saying "nah - he did it, he just managed to get off" lol.

Yes indeed. But I'm speculating that if there was another vehicle involved, it might mean that the police already have that one too. I'm NOT saying there is or there isn't, but just suppose that he used a van at work, the police would want to examine that as well.

 

[UKgirl]

Yes indeed. But I'm speculating that if there was another vehicle involved, it might mean that the police already have that one too. I'm NOT saying there is or there isn't, but just suppose that he used a van at work, the police would want to examine that as well.

I would hope that would have been shown to the public too. Especially with the first reporting of a light coloured van.

 

[minime72]

Someone would have had to bury her quite deep to prevent any scent leaking out. Once a particularly hungry animal got scent of "food" buried somewhere, they go to extraordinary efforts to get to it. The hungrier they are, the more effort they put in. Nature is red in tooth and claw, unfortunately. It's all about survival.

I don't think it applies to the brynygog state but the villages further afield may have septic tanks rather than connected to sewer network. One could have been exposed (the lid) & well you get what im getting at or there are lots of farms dotted around with those pits in, can't remember name but the rugby star & 2 others died in one in august sometime.

There are just so many places around that area to conceal a body

 

[Elainera]

Just found an article about how police on Monday night when she went missing were discussing whether they should use the nationwide child rescue alert.

"Late into Monday experts from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, (Ceop) liaising with Dyfed-Powys police were engaged in the difficult decision of whether to initiate the high profile national alert to help in the hunt for the missing five-year-old.

... in the case of April Jones the great difficulty for the police is that the description of the vehicle she got into is extremely vague – a light grey coloured van, or Land Rover which may be a left hand drive.

"We discussed it long into the night," said Hedges. "Normally you would issue fairly precise information and we didn't have that. It was a really difficult call, but we decided the risk to April was such that we needed to launch the alert." "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/02/april-jones-child-rescue-alert?newsfeed=true

The part I bolded shows that at least until late Monday night MB and his car were not yet actively searched for.

I point this out because we had before assumed (falsly it now seems) that Coral might have immediately suspected it was MB's car, or that the 7 y/o had identified him and/or the car, and told police right away. This seems not have been the case. We were wondering why she and others would be so concerned that April had gotten into the car with her uncle. Looks like they didn't know it was him, they assumed it was a stranger, hence it makes complete sense that they called police right away.

Possibly police got a tip after they launched the child rescue alert and that's when they started looking specifically for MB and his Landrover.

 

[Inge Jones]

I would hope that would have been shown to the public too. Especially with the first reporting of a light coloured van.

Well yes, especially since the reason we were shown the blue one was supposed to be so we could report sightings of its movements. I would not have thought the police were disinterested in the movements of any vehicle he may have been driving at that time.

 

[ScotAng]

<<<rsbm>>>

... in the case of April Jones the great difficulty for the police is that the description of the vehicle she got into is extremely vague – a light grey coloured van, or Land Rover which may be a left hand drive.

"We discussed it long into the night," said Hedges. "Normally you would issue fairly precise information and we didn't have that. It was a really difficult call, but we decided the risk to April was such that we needed to launch the alert." "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/02/april-jones-child-rescue-alert?newsfeed=true

The part I bolded shows that at least until late Monday night MB and his car were not yet actively searched for.

I point this out because we had before assumed (falsly it now seems) that Coral might have immediately suspected it was MB's car, or that the 7 y/o had identified him and/or the car, and told police right away. This seems not have been the case. We were wondering why she and others would be so concerned that April had gotten into the car with her uncle. Looks like they didn't know it was him, they assumed it was a stranger, hence it makes complete sense that they called police right away.

Possibly police got a tip after they launched the child rescue alert and that's when they started looking specifically for MB and his Landrover.

BBM: It makes more sense to me that a description of the car would indeed be hazy, considering the age of the child. While bearing in mind she could well have told police she saw AJ getting into a car that MB was driving, it's entirely possible he was driving a vehicle she was unfamiliar with.

And simply that police couldn't issue a specific description on the basis of a 7yr olds' say-so of it being 'MB's car'.

 

[nursebeeme]

reminder: sleuthing or speculating about April's family is OFF LIMITS.

bumping this up :tos:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I have a gut feeling that when all the truth comes out a lot of people will be shocked.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

I don't think it applies to the brynygog state but the villages further afield may have septic tanks rather than connected to sewer network. One could have been exposed (the lid) & well you get what im getting at or there are lots of farms dotted around with those pits in, can't remember name but the rugby star & 2 others died in one in august sometime.

There are just so many places around that area to conceal a body

Yes, septic tanks, I hadn't thought about that one. It was a slurry tank that Nevin Spence and some members of his family died in, but you've got the right gist. I'd imagine that such tanks would also have been checked.

 

[Inge Jones]

I have a gut feeling that when all the truth comes out a lot of people will be shocked.

So often after a trial we hear a lot of unsavory things about the convict that were not available to us beforehand.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

So often after a trial we hear a lot of unsavory things about the convict that were not available to us beforehand.

I would hate to be police and know all those things, then they have to come home to their family. Have some in our family and they say it's very difficult.

 

[nursebeeme]

search continues: areas targeted

Mountain rescue teams are to revisit the town of Machynlleth in the ongoing search for missing five-year-old April Jones.

Dyfed Powys Police have emphasised the search for April is continuing at the same level of intensity as it has been from the beginning, but that specific areas are now being targeted.

The renewed search began on Sunday with 14 members of the Brecon mountain rescue team returning to the area.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/16/april-jones-missing_n_1969664.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

[minime72]

So often after a trial we hear a lot of unsavory things about the convict that were not available to us beforehand.

Prime example is VT in.joanna.Yeates case. So.many couldn't believe it as.on paper he was upstanding and professional however behind.closed doors a.sexual deviant.and now known a killer

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

Also - tell me about the caves in the area? There are many? Do travelers come to explore them? Are guided tours available? Are there hiking maps for adventuresome locals and visitors to find the caves? Is potholing a popular hobby there? Are the caves on private property or in the commons? are there well marked trails to find them or are they obscured under brush? Thank you.

There are plenty of caves and abandoned slate caverns. Look at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=275390&Y=307760&A=Y&Z=115&ax=275390&ay=307760 and scroll around to your heart's content. If you can't access it from outside the UK, try a UK VPN such as http://uk.newfreevpn.com/

There's a few caves where visitors can go caving. http://www.corrismineexplorers.co.uk/ is one, King Arthur's Labyrinth is another. As far as the others are concerned, they may well be on private property, but they're typically in the countryside as opposed to someone's back garden or garage yard, so it should be pretty easy to gain access to them. All the "No Entry" signs in the world will never deter anyone from gaining access to such places.

Potholing isn't as common here as it is in Yorkshire, but I suspect the cavern system isn't anywhere near as large. The ones around Corris are also man-made, which reduces their size and complexity somewhat compare to a natural system. I've never been caving or potholing, so don't know too much about it.

Oh, and BTW, it's the River Dyfi, not River Difi.

 

[minime72]

There are plenty of caves and abandoned slate caverns. Look at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=275390&Y=307760&A=Y&Z=115&ax=275390&ay=307760 and scroll around to your heart's content. If you can't access it from outside the UK, try a UK VPN such as http://uk.newfreevpn.com/

There's a few caves where visitors can go caving. http://www.corrismineexplorers.co.uk/ is one, King Arthur's Labyrinth is another. As far as the others are concerned, they may well be on private property, but they're typically in the countryside as opposed to someone's back garden or garage yard, so it should be pretty easy to gain access to them. All the "No Entry" signs in the world will never deter anyone from gaining access to such places.

Potholing isn't as common here as it is in Yorkshire, but I suspect the cavern system isn't anywhere near as large. The ones around Corris are also man-made, which reduces their size and complexity somewhat compare to a natural system. I've never been caving or potholing, so don't know too much about it.

Oh, and BTW, it's the River Dyfi, not River Difi.

I've been king arthurs regularly over the years, last on Aug bank holiday. If that's what's considered small I don't fancy the search teams chances.
Basically for those who haven't been in a cave you walk a couple hundred yards inside, get on a boat for about 500yds then its a series of caverns and corridors, bridges and indoor pools of water and is pretty big, I think they take 80 an hour down in 4 parties of 20.
That's.just the public access bit as its probably.much much bigger.