Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

This whole case mystifies me, I'm still trying to get my head around the "light coloured van" turning out to be a dark coloured land rover, let alone the rest of it.

It has also been puzzling me why MB was arrested so soon, even if he had been named as a suspect I would have thought the police would have kept him under surveilence before an arrest was made. He was arrested less than 24 hours after April disapeared, I can't help thinking what if she was still alive and he had her hidden somewhere, he would more than likely have attempted to go back to her.

Hard to know isn't it, without all the extra info Police would have had. Without that, I suppose you would rather nick him sooner rather than later and hope to find April alive.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

AF "said it". Press printed it.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...is-Land-Rover-two-days-before-kidnapping.html

Van? Would the witness know the difference between a van and a land rover?

 

[Clutchbag]

This whole case mystifies me, I'm still trying to get my head around the "light coloured van" turning out to be a dark coloured land rover, let alone the rest of it.

It has also been puzzling me why MB was arrested so soon, even if he had been named as a suspect I would have thought the police would have kept him under surveilence before an arrest was made. He was arrested less than 24 hours after April disapeared, I can't help thinking what if she was still alive and he had her hidden somewhere, he would more than likely have attempted to go back to her.

Cant answer that question, but musing....
If he wasn't named by someone, the only thing I can think of is that they checked owners of LHD cars and his name came up. I read that there were only two LHDs in the area, if true then they could have eliminated driver of the other.

The curious thing is the child giving a description of the man to police knew MB and his blue car so if it was him why didnt they name him and say blue car instead of light coloured or grey van.

Then again maybe they did and the info the police gave out was to not tip off MB they were looking for him but that makes no sense either because if it was him he would have known the kids who knew him seeing him would say so....or any other local spotting him at the time

Also if he had been named they would have gone looking for him at his old house that night? Like they did at lunchtime the next day.

ETA perhaps the person who saw him driving erratically down the road at 6 pm put his name forward as being around to police at some stage the next morning or so after hearing the police press conference with description of van/landrover.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Is it just me that wonders why in amongst all that the journalist had to stick in the line that it was thought PJ used to own a hardware store on Machynlleth. Like it had any relevance at all to anything or meant anything in the context of the story.

I imagine its to give the impression of a sensible and self employed man as opposed to someone who could be a kidnapper, or killer.

The press would certainly know that the majority of abductions are carried out by a family member, or acquaintance and are usually done for revenge.

 

[Untidyhedgehog]

Cant answer that question, but musing....
If he wasn't named by someone, the only thing I can think of is that they checked owners of LHD cars and his name came up. I read that there were only two LHDs in the area, if true then they could have eliminated driver of the other.

The curious thing is the child giving a description of the man to police knew MB and his blue car so if it was him why didnt they name him and say blue car instead of light coloured or grey van.

Then again maybe they did and the info the police gave out was to not tip off MB they were looking for him but that makes no sense either because if it was him he would have known the kids who knew him seeing him would say so....

Also if he had been named they would have gone looking for him at his old house that night? Like they did at lunchtime the next day.

I also wondered if the police deliberately gave out misinformation about the colour of the car. It just seems to me as if they have presumed or known that April was dead right from the start of the enquiry.

 

[Amber34]

Absolutely extraordinary because it also comes up as Mid and West Wales welding! The company he is reported as being sacked from, but here we see it as one and the same as the company he owned!

Is Mark Buster Verona another alias like Mark Doctor Bridger etc
Also, Mark Buster is urban slang for "a person in a management position who kisses and tries to be cool, but all think said individual is a joke."

BBM

I've never heard that slang before - where's it from? Is it a Welsh term?

We use the name Buster in an affectionate (ie, non derogative) way to describe someone stocky or big, particularly used when talking to kids. If my mum sees a large baby, she would say "Cor, he's a Buster in'e?"

I always thought that is where Buster Bloodvessel got his first name from as he is a big built guy and he's from a similar area in London as my family.

Happy to be enlightened though

 

[veggiefan]

imhoo they will be searching for April as long as it takes... beit a minute or until Christmas and beyond.

They are certainly putting in a heroic effort, which I greatly applaud. However, the reality here in the UK is that police budgets are being reduced by 20% in real terms as a result of the economic situation, so I doubt that they will be able to continue the current rate of expenditure for long.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

BBM

I've never heard that slang before - where's it from? Is it a Welsh term?

We use the name Buster in an affectionate (ie, non derogative) way to describe someone stocky or big, particularly used when talking to kids. If my mum sees a large baby, she would say "Cor, he's a Buster in'e?"

I always thought that is where Buster Bloodvessel got his first name from as he is a big built guy and he's from a similar area in London as my family.

Happy to be enlightened though

Its taken from the Urban Dictionary.

 

[Clio]

The Wales Online report of today's update from Supt John on the search.

Supt John told WalesOnline: “We have got some parts of Machynlleth we have still got to do but we are prioritising in and around Ceinws.

“That really is difficult terrain and we have got a whole mixture – some properties, buildings and the surrounding countryside.”

There are still “some significant areas” where police need to do “destructive work”, such as the removal of undergrowth, to continue with the search.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/a...tmas-and-beyond-91466-32051173/#ixzz29ZGNnIMw

 

[Clio]

They are certainly putting in a heroic effort, which I greatly applaud. However, the reality here in the UK is that police budgets are being reduced by 20% in real terms as a result of the economic situation, so I doubt that they will be able to continue the current rate of expenditure for long.

I was just going to say the same thing. From the Sky News link

We could still be here at Christmas or the new year, we could be finished in two weeks."
He added: "The numbers involved in searching are always under review.

These two statements need to be read together. It is inevitable that the longer the search goes on, the more it will have to reduce in intensity imho

 

[Clutchbag]

In the States they have a programme called Psychic Detectives, the few episodes I have watched have shown that police can be helped with pointers which proved to be correct, worth a try IMO. I dont know if UK police use such people at all.

 

[minime72]

In the States they have a programme called Psychic Detectives, the few episodes I have watched have shown that police can be helped with pointers which proved to be correct, worth a try IMO. I dont know if UK police use such people at all.

There was one on FB near the start and saying they saw an old farmhouse and a labyrinth of caves. Hardly surprising given the area and a Google search

 

[Clio]

Guardian's version of today's update from LE on the search, highlights technology used.

Police use drones in April Jones search

Superintendent Ian John said unmanned aerial vehicles supplied by private companies and fitted with sonar equipment were being used to try to pinpoint areas of recently-disturbed earth

The equipment employed in the search also includes vests fitted with GPS equipment that dog handlers are wearing so that search experts can map exactly where they have been.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/17/police-drones-search-april-jones

 

[Clutchbag]

There was one on FB near the start and saying they saw an old farmhouse and a labyrinth of caves. Hardly surprising given the area and a Google search

Well quite, I was talking about ones that do work with police and have helped them solve cold cases.

 

[nursebeeme]

drones used in search for April; the search will continue (more at link)

Police searching for April Jones are using drones to hunt for any trace of the missing five-year-old and say the hunt could continue beyond Christmas.

Officers are keen to emphasise that they are not scaling down the search for April, who went missing while playing on the street near her home in Machynlleth, mid-Wales, on 1 October.

Superintendent Ian John said unmanned aerial vehicles supplied by private companies and fitted with sonar equipment were being used to try to pinpoint areas of recently-disturbed earth.

The equipment employed in the search also includes vests fitted with GPS equipment that dog handlers are wearing so that search experts can map exactly where they have been.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/17/police-drones-search-april-jones

 

[nursebeeme]

Agree, but suspect it's a taboo topic on here.:twocents:

yes, you are correct: we don't allow discussion about psychics.

 

[Clutchbag]

Agree, but suspect it's a taboo topic on here.:twocents:

I know that what psychics say is not allowed to be part of discussions, was just asking why UK dont use them in official capacity like LE do in the USA if they have helped locate missing people and give info about perpetrators that solved cases which dumbfounded police. no stone unturned and all that.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I know that what psychics say is not allowed to be part of discussions, was just asking why UK dont use them in official capacity like LE do in the USA if they have helped locate missing people and give info about perpetrators that solved cases which dumbfounded police. no stone unturned and all that.

Don't know, maybe they do unofficially? It's been done in Oz, but like UK they wouldn't officially acknowledge it.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

I know that what psychics say is not allowed to be part of discussions, was just asking why UK dont use them in official capacity like LE do in the USA if they have helped locate missing people and give info about perpetrators that solved cases which dumbfounded police. no stone unturned and all that.

I think that the police departments would receive a great deal of flack about having called in psychics, especially when they hadn't fully exhausted all the practical tools.
I don't think many police departments in the U.S. would ever admit to using a psychic, contrary to what the show suggests. Perhaps they do use psychics but we aren't typically privy to that information.

 

[Clutchbag]

ok guys, thanks