Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

police apologized to Tia Sharp's mother after they failed to find the girl's body in her grandmother's house the first three times they searched it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/tia-sharp-murder-arrests-grandmothers-house_n_1767276.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Money could be a motive.

That's my thought, a 'kidnap' and intent to ask for a ransom. Know it sounds far-fetched but it's just a thought.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

That's my thought, a 'kidnap' and intent to ask for a ransom. Know it sounds far-fetched but it's just a thought.

An organised kidnap for money would require alibis and motives. The victim would also have to be placed into a position where they could be taken.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I thought the police were watching the estuary? Isn't there a report of another death in that river taking 9 days for the body to wash out to the estuary? This is a close knit gossiping community. Bridger would know she would be reported missing immediately. How could he be certain of dumping a body in the river and getting away with it.

I think that what may have been in the black bin bag, (assuming it was MB or someone else involved) may have been clothing. As revolting as it is to even type this, not even one of those super tough bin bags would be strong enough to hold a child's body (even if the offender was brazen enough or silly enough to dispose of it that way in broad daylight)

 

[LegallyBrunette]

An organised kidnap for money would require alibis and motives. The victim would also have to be placed into a position where they could be taken.

Yes.
Remember the elderly neighbour saying the vehicle drove up and down the road a few times before parking up by the garages. Most likely the local children played in and around the same area every day.

 

[Insp.Dots]

That's my thought, a 'kidnap' and intent to ask for a ransom. Know it sounds far-fetched but it's just a thought.

Hmm, could be but don't think anyone has any money around there, and not even mentioned??

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I thought the police were watching the estuary? Isn't there a report of another death in that river taking 9 days for the body to wash out to the estuary? This is a close knit gossiping community. Bridger would know she would be reported missing immediately. How could he be certain of dumping a body in the river and getting away with it.

That was a little girl who fell into the river, I don't think it was in flood at the time?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Hmm, could be but don't think anyone has any money around there, and not even mentioned??

We don't know who does or doesn't have money, and ransoms don't always come from the family. If something went wrong, then there was never an opportunity for the kidnapper to ask for a ransom.

 

[Clio]

Official LE statement on the search update issued yesterday. Nothing that hasn't already been in yesterday's papers as far as I can see.

http://www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en...nes?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Insp.Dots]

Has anyone on here been through the area recently?
What I have noticed when comparing to other recent cases,..
This family seem to be staying well away from the Media, they haven't asked for money, the town council set up the fund for April, her Mother asked for Pink ribbons and balloons, but that's all, that also could have been a suggestion made to keep it in the media, and I think I'm correct in saying the whole town were involved with suppying the searchers with food etc. I haven't seen anyone filmed going anywhere near the houses, no comings or goings of friends or family...Is this the Media backing away or have I just missed something???

 

[Insp.Dots]

Official LE statement on the search update issued yesterday. Nothing that hasn't already been in yesterday's papers as far as I can see.

http://www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en...nes?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thanks, I'm astounded at the money being put into this to find a body?
I REALLY don't mean to sound harsh but I just don't get it, especially in the climate.
This is why I feel there must be something VERY significant that the Police aren't saying, my only other theory is that they simply don't have enough evidence to convince a jury?!

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Women who can't stand their ex often change the children's surnames to their own, especially when they weren't married in the first place. MB's son uses his Mum's maiden name. The fact that the two children with ED nee EG have their father's surname supports what has been reported - that MB and their mother were still on good terms.

It isn't necessarily indicative of a woman hating her children's father. If they were unmarried then a baby is automatically given the mother's surname. The only way a child can be registered under the father's surname is IF both parents attend the registering of the birth and the mother gives approval. In the case of married parents, the father alone can register a birth.

 

[Clio]

Has anyone on here been through the area recently?
What I have noticed when comparing to other recent cases,..
This family seem to be staying well away from the Media, they haven't asked for money, the town council set up the fund for April, her Mother asked for Pink ribbons and balloons, but that's all, that also could have been a suggestion made to keep it in the media, and I think I'm correct in saying the whole town were involved with suppying the searchers with food etc. I haven't seen anyone filmed going anywhere near the houses, no comings or goings of friends or family...Is this the Media backing away or have I just missed something???

Media has to back away once someone is charged. They cannot interview people who might be called as witnesses etc. Also after MB was charged (Sunday 6th) and the Church Service was held (Sun 7th) the mayor basically asked the press to pull out now to leave the family and community to come to terms with what has happened. There were lots of journo tweets on Mon 8th saying they were leaving Mach.

There is no telling how long, if ever, it might take to find April and that's about all they are allowed to report from now until the trial. All AFAIK

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It isn't necessarily indicative of a woman hating her children's father. If they were unmarried then a baby is automatically given the mother's surname. The only way a child can be registered under the father's surname is IF both parents attend the registering of the birth and the mother gives approval. In the case of married parents, the father alone can register a birth.

In the UK, when you register a birth do you have to show your marriage certificate?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Media has to back away once someone is charged. They cannot interview people who might be called as witnesses etc. Also after MB was charged (Sunday 6th) and the Church Service was held (Sun 7th) the mayor basically asked the press to pull out now to leave the family and community to come to terms with what has happened. There were lots of journo tweets on Mon 8th saying they were leaving Mach.

There is no telling how long, if ever, it might take to find April and that's about all they are allowed to report from now until the trial. All AFAIK

Thanks, I didn't think of that, but now you say it, makes perfect sense!
We can only hope that they find the poor mite sooner rather than later, but I suspect the odds are slipping away with each tide that comes and goes!

 

[Agatha Krispy]

That was a little girl who fell into the river, I don't think it was in flood at the time?

As I posted earlier it took a body several weeks to travel two to three miles of river in my hometown. He was eventually found entangled in a reed bed, close to the sump/basin. No one person spotted him between where he entered the water and where he ended up, despite dog walkers and cyclists (including myself) traveling adjacent to that stretch of river during that timeframe. It is a river of similar width and openness to that of the Dyfi. It was a dog walker that eventually spotted him.
Oh and I forgot to add, police searches, helicopters and mountain rescue services were combing that area and wider for weeks. Canoeists and rowers were also up and down that stretch of river for all that time in a recreational capacity.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Has anyone on here been through the area recently?
What I have noticed when comparing to other recent cases,..
This family seem to be staying well away from the Media, they haven't asked for money, the town council set up the fund for April, her Mother asked for Pink ribbons and balloons, but that's all, that also could have been a suggestion made to keep it in the media, and I think I'm correct in saying the whole town were involved with suppying the searchers with food etc. I haven't seen anyone filmed going anywhere near the houses, no comings or goings of friends or family...Is this the Media backing away or have I just missed something???

If you're missing something, then you're not the only one. The media coverage of this has been very strange.
Compare with recent case here (Oz) which you would have heard of in UK, the Jill Meagher case (Irish girl in Melbourne, raped and murdered). Every day there was something either from her husband, close family here and in Ireland. Even if not interviews there was footage.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

As I posted earlier it took a body several weeks to travel two to three miles of river in my hometown. He was eventually found entangled in a reed bed, close to the sump/basin. No one person spotted him between where he entered the water and where he ended up, despite dog walkers and cyclists (including myself) traveling adjacent to that stretch of river during that timeframe. It is a river of similar width and openness to that of the Dyfi. It was a dog walker that eventually spotted him.
Oh and I forgot to add, police searches, helicopters and mountain rescue services were combing that area and wider for weeks. Canoeists and rowers were also up and down that stretch of river for all that time in a recreational capacity.

Didn't searchers say that because the Dyfi was in heavy flood, waters travel very fast and things that would get caught up normally, don't. They have searched the beaches around the estuary, probably still are.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

And just to reiterate, no witnesses reported the Land Rover 'crashing gears' on the night of the abduction, it was the next morning near his home at Ceinwy.
All that was reported was the MB was 'driving erratically', that may be due to other reasons such as alcohol or substances, not to do with serviceability of the vehicle.
Also, it had rained heavily overnight, some mud could have been washed off the car IF it had been off road.
As I don't know the area where the tyre marks near the river were found, is it definite that a vehicle would need to be 'off road' to have made the marks?

Mud up sills on a LR does not wash off in rain. We had one and I wished it had

 

[Cherwell]

Re the question of knowing/recognising people:

When I was a child (long time ago now :wink I lived in a village, much smaller than Mach. While I knew all the other children's mothers, I didn't know most of the fathers. If they worked in the village, on the farm for instance, we would see them about, but mostly we didn't clap eyes on other people's dads because they were out of the village all day. If we did see them, we might not know that they were X's dad unless they were actually with them, if you see what I mean.

Things were simpler then too, in that there were far fewer fractured families, so nearly everyone had a mum and a dad at home and no one had half- or step-siblings. So I can well imagine that kids today might not know or recognise all the fathers who are knocking about.