Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Insp.Dots]

If you're missing something, then you're not the only one. The media coverage of this has been very strange.
Compare with recent case here (Oz) which you would have heard of in UK, the Jill Meagher case (Irish girl in Melbourne, raped and murdered). Every day there was something either from her husband, close family here and in Ireland. Even if not interviews there was footage.

Yes, though i'm not sure what reporting laws you have. I do think that the 'Leveson Enquiry' has had a big affect on the Press over here and they are much more careful what they write. Mind you, I'm all for responsible reporting, better only the truth than a load of gossip and hearsay as alot tend to print!:moo:

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Didn't searchers say that because the Dyfi was in heavy flood, waters travel very fast and things that would get caught up normally, don't. They have searched the beaches around the estuary, probably still are.

At the time this chap disappeared we had a fast flowing and swollen river. The flood lands were saturated and covered with large areas of water, which the ducks and swans loved. Similar situation, similar conditions, same time of year.

 

[Clio]

Thanks, I'm astounded at the money being put into this to find a body?
I REALLY don't mean to sound harsh but I just don't get it, especially in the climate.
This is why I feel there must be something VERY significant that the Police aren't saying, my only other theory is that they simply don't have enough evidence to convince a jury?!

I know what you mean. I am sure LE, and everbody else involved in the search, desparately wants to find April but it is impossible to sustain this level of intensity indefinitely. There are budget constraints and trade offs will have to be made. I imagine what has happened is that LE have sat down with Soca and other experts, looked at the evidence they have (e.g witness sightings of MB from abduction to arrest) and mapped out a number of possible search areas where there is a good chance of finding something hence their "lines of inquiry" statement possibly.

A body would strengthen the case for the prosecution but they cannot just search forever. The longer they go on the more the effort will have to reduce and there will come a point where it is not worth looking anymore unless new tip offs or leads come to light. All jmo & moo

 

[Agatha Krispy]

In the UK, when you register a birth do you have to show your marriage certificate?

Sorry had missed this.

Government Web Info:-

Information you need when registering a birth

When registering the birth, you should know:

place and date of the birth
name, surname and sex of the baby
parents’ names, surnames and address
places and dates of parents’ birth
date of parents’ marriage or civil partnership
parents’ jobs
mother’s maiden surname
You might not need to give all of this information, depending on who is registering the birth. You don’t need to take any documents with you to register a birth.


Part 2:-

Who can register a birth
If the parents are married at the time of the birth or conception, the mother or father can register the birth on their own and include both parents’ details.

If the parents aren’t married the details of both parents can be included on the birth certificate if they do one of the following:

sign the birth register together
one parent completes a statutory declaration of parentage form and the other takes the signed form to register the birth
one parent goes to register the birth with a court order giving the father parental responsibility

 

[Agatha Krispy]

I believe there is still time for a body to appear within the river area. JMO. My gut feeling is that the other river, disused quarries and miles of forestry are closer to what we suspect is the crime scene, ie. Ceinws.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

One of the things that has intrigued me since I first saw it is the footage of MB's estranged son. Throughout the interview he states he doesn't know his father really, met him a couple of times in a pub etc, not really part of their lives. Yet, they are friends on Facebook.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

One of the things that has intrigued me since I first saw it is the footage of MB's estranged son. Throughout the interview he states he doesn't know his father really, met him a couple of times in a pub etc, not really part of their lives. Yet, they are friends on Facebook.

In the Sky interview he said he only really met him this year.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

In the Sky interview he said he only really met him this year.

Does he live on the estate?

 

[Cherwell]

One of the things that has intrigued me since I first saw it is the footage of MB's estranged son. Throughout the interview he states he doesn't know his father really, met him a couple of times in a pub etc, not really part of their lives. Yet, they are friends on Facebook.

That's the nature of Facebook, innit. People can be "friends" because they want to keep tabs on someone, or out of idle curiosity, or just because they want to be seen to have massive numbers of "friends".

The word "contact" would be more accurate than "friend" on FB.

 

[greenpalm]

But that was years ago. In this context we are discussing whether a 7-year old child recognised him. Remember that he was living 11 miles away in Llanbrynmair, and then in Caenws, for most of the last year.

I believe no such thing. MH clearly didn't recognise him, since AJ assured her that it was OK because she (AJ ) knew him. So clearly MH did not, otherwise there would have been no need to say this. Also, LE would have been able to identify his car very much more quickly than they did had MH been able to identify that it was MB.

Thank for this. That's what I've said as well.

Thanks, yes I agree. I wasn't sure I was allowed to put the Adults names but will happily edit if someone confirms I can:rocker:

I'm not a mod, but it should be acceptable to put the adults' names in a list format like this one. I say, "should" because I'm most familiar with how Websleuth's manages US cases. Then the list can be added as a "sticky" to the top of the thread. Thank you for the list, I was working on one myself.

I would imagine his clothes were taken on arrest, they also had the tyres on LR and I would think they would definitely have taken samples off them to see where the car may have been.
Were the tyre tracks by river confirmed do we know or just hearsay?
You would think that his defense will pull the Blackbag witnesses apart as being very close friends of the family.

Yes, I thought of that too. She won't be very credible since she's so close to April's mom.

It isn't necessarily indicative of a woman hating her children's father. If they were unmarried then a baby is automatically given the mother's surname. The only way a child can be registered under the father's surname is IF both parents attend the registering of the birth and the mother gives approval. In the case of married parents, the father alone can register a birth.

Thank you. It is different here in the US. You can name a child absolutely anything you'd like, including giving them an invented surname. Most people follow convention though. I understand that in France you must choose even the children's first names from an approved list.

One of the things that has intrigued me since I first saw it is the footage of MB's estranged son. Throughout the interview he states he doesn't know his father really, met him a couple of times in a pub etc, not really part of their lives. Yet, they are friends on Facebook.

Not adressing your point here, but using your comment to defend another point. If SW was able to live on the estate, and has only met his own father a couple of times, then it's not so unreasonable that MH, the 7 year old witness had never met him at all.

Regarding the point you were making, about Facebook, different individuals have very different standards for how wide they stretch their Facebook friend circle. I have any number of very distant "friends." I don't think it's strange.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Does he live on the estate?

I believe so, because it was reported that he's receiving abuse to leave.

 

[nursebeeme]

list of initials/case players
You guys can post that list in the no discussion timeline/media thread for the case for easy reference. If someone has been named in the media you can include those names. That being said, that does not apply to minors. (initials only for those)

UK UK - April Jones 5 last seen 01 Oct. 2012 *Media, Maps & Timeline Links* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I believe so, because it was reported that he's receiving abuse to leave.

Then even if they never spoke he would have seen his own father visiting and interacting with his other children. That must have been very emotionally hard on him.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Thank for this. That's what I've said as well.


Not adressing your point here, but using your comment to defend another point. If SW was able to live on the estate, and has only met his own father a couple of times, then it's not so unreasonable that MH, the 7 year old witness had never met him at all.

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SW had only met his father a few times 'at the pub' because they both happened to be there at the same time, hadn't even met him until this year - his mother hadn't told MB about his birth, apparently they separated well prior to it and have not been on speaking terms since. Maybe she told him when she thought he was old enough to deal with whatever it was that caused her to take the actions she did.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Then even if they never spoke he would have seen his own father visiting and interacting with his other children. That must have been very emotionally hard on him.

I would say so. He struck me as being quite numb in his responses. Poor chap.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Can someone enlighten me about the meaning of 'stoner'? Does it only refer to someone who likes to smoke a certain substance?

 

[Cherwell]

Then even if they never spoke he would have seen his own father visiting and interacting with his other children. That must have been very emotionally hard on him.

That's if he knew that MB was his father. I had the impression (possibly wrong!) that he only learned that within the last year or so.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Can someone enlighten me about the meaning of 'stoner'? Does it only refer to someone who likes to smoke a certain substance?

Yes, Cannabis.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

That's if he knew that MB was his father. I had the impression (possibly wrong!) that he only learned that within the last year or so.

Scott Williams, 19, says his father has 'never been in his life' but said he has 'never done anything to anyone'

How would he know if he has never been in his life?

 

[Insp.Dots]

MB- Mark Bridger- The Suspect
AJ- April Jones- Victim (lives on estate)
CJ- Coral Jones- Victims Mum (lives on estate)
PJ- Paul Jones- Victims Dad (lives on estate)

EG/ED- Elaine Dafydd nee Griffiths- Suspects Ex and Mum to his kids SB & CB Also ED 5yrs old child (with husband now) Who is one of Aprils best friends. (lives on estate)
RD- Rhys Dafydd- ED's husband (lives on estate)

MH-7yr old Child WITNESS, friend of AJ and ED, the trio had played together all summer.
LH- Lorna Hearne- MH's Mum (lives on estate)

KG- Kaz Griffiths- ED's sister, who also had 2 children with PJ

JJ- Aprils sister 16 (lives on estate)
HJ- Aprils Brother 11 (lives on estate)

DS- Dai Smith- CJ's Step Dad
LS- Lyn Smith- CJ's Mum

VF- Vicky Fenner- Suspects latest ex GF, (lives on estate)
AF- Amy Fenner- VF's sister (both have spoken to the Media)

JW- Julie Williams- Suspects 1st wife (lives on estate)
SW- Scott Williams- Suspects son, who only met him this year (lives on estate)
CR- Corrina Robinson- Suspects GF before VF

RM- Richard Moon- CJ's Father
JM- Jean Moon- CJ's Step-mother
MR- Mair Raftree- April's God mother (lives Aberystwyth)

CS-Carween Sheen- friend of CJ, VF & EG WITNESS who saw a man with Black bag on riverside
GE-Gloria Edwards- Ex neighbour of MB Llanbrynmair
BE-Ben Edwards- Ex neighbour and friendly with MB Llanbrynmair
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