Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[TulipaNoir]

But the Ministry of Defence has no records of MB having been in any of the armed forces, so Mr Hartigan spoke the truth.

Blimey, your logic is um..not logical!

Oh yeah, and then there were the words of one of MB's colleagues which makes me understand even better Hartigan's comment that MB was a 'fantasist':

Wynnstay Hotel in Machynlleth, where he had a reputation for being “the sort of bloke who would walk in and start talking about how he had done everything and bought the T-shirt”, according to one former colleague.

“Everything you had done, he had done better than you.”

The Telegraph

We all know people like that I think. People that eleborate on the truth and make themselves look more interesting than they are. I've certainly met a few in my lifetime. My husband calls them Walter Mittys. They can be quite annoying. I think it boils down to insecurity.

 

[nursebeeme]

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[TulipaNoir]

Yes the strays here don't have an easy life and there are not many who want to help them. Sadly

We live, learn and deal with it - yes, thank you, that helps me actually.

Your work with strays is very commendable! I lost my 19 y/o cat last August, and her brother 2 years ago. I will definately have other cats, and they will be rescue cats. But I'm not ready yet :-(

 

[Cherwell]

I have narrowed it down to two scenarios that I believe could have happened it in fact MB is guilty:

1) This was a highly thought out planned abduction. MB is a very sophisticated killer. He planned everything down to the T, murdered her and disposed of the body without a trace.
*****Now I find this highly unlikely because he was driving erratically through the streets where she was abducted, with a faulty vehicle, left a witness (so to speak), and then instead of hiding just trotted down the street back into town to be arrested.

2) This was a rage killing. He murdered her, cleaned up, and disposed of the body leaving evidence in his cottage.
*****And I find this unlikely because they held him for almost the full 96 hours THEN charged him with murder. If they had walked into a bloody crime scene or even one uncovered by black light he would have been charged with murder earlier not when they exhausted the holding time.

That is why I am so bothered by this case. Maybe someone can enlighten me with other possibilities other than the fact that he is not responsible.
TIA

I think they waited as long as possible in the hope that he would tell them where to find April. Once he was charged, they were not allowed to question him any more. Quite likely they'd have charged him earlier if he'd told them where she was.

 

[Elainera]

Your work with strays is very commendable! I lost my 19 y/o cat last August, and her brother 2 years ago. I will definately have other cats, and they will be rescue cats. But I'm not ready yet :-(

Wow, 19 years old! :what: That's ancient. I'm very sorry you lost both your beloved cats. It hurts like hell doesn't it.

Lovely you're thinking of getting rescue cats! They will be happy to find a home with you

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Wow, 19 years old! :what: That's ancient. I'm very sorry you lost both your beloved cats. It hurts like hell doesn't it.

Lovely you're thinking of getting rescue cats! They will be happy to find a home with you

My two are here with me, rescues are the best

 

[Agatha Krispy]

That wouldn't be the case with the Dyfi in full flood - I'd estimate that it would take under an hour to reach the sea.

If you have any doubt, take a look at this video of the Dyfi after heavy rain - the first minute is filmed at the Dyfi bridge.

http://www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=j9R4Tmiy9SI

Remove the brackets to view.

The river wasn't quite this high at the start of October, but it was not far off.

I don't see how you can generalize. You may be surprised at the fact they don't float for quite a while. Gross I know

 

[TulipaNoir]

Wow, 19 years old! :what: That's ancient. I'm very sorry you lost both your beloved cats. It hurts like hell doesn't it.

Lovely you're thinking of getting rescue cats! They will be happy to find a home with you

Thank you

 

[PADDYWHACK]

But the Ministry of Defence has no records of MB having been in any of the armed forces, so Mr Hartigan spoke the truth.

Blimey, your logic is um..not logical!

Oh yeah, and then there were the words of one of MB's colleagues which makes me understand even better Hartigan's comment that MB was a 'fantasist':

Wynnstay Hotel in Machynlleth, where he had a reputation for being “the sort of bloke who would walk in and start talking about how he had done everything and bought the T-shirt”, according to one former colleague.

“Everything you had done, he had done better than you.”

The Telegraph

That still means nothing. Both of them could be lying.

I'm sure there are many people who live narrow lives who wish they had travelled and done certain things, and then there are those who have and embellish them.

Some people have jealous dispositions and hate to hear others have done things they too may have wanted to do, but never got the chance.

Perhaps MB embellished the exploits of his father around royalty etc and the locals couldn't handle that they have dreary lives.

I asked earlier if it was possible that MB was in the TA.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

O/T - Research assistants

 

[raithjames]

Well I have spoken to this issue in the past, but perhaps the idea did not gain any support because people are convinced MB is the perp.
Consider the possibility that some mistake (yes it may seem unlikely) has resulted in MB being falsely accused.
As futile as it may seem, taking the time to evaluate other lines of thinking and possible scenarios may prove to be quite productive. The other alternative is to keep chasing our tails and deeply delving into such topics as, " Correlations, interpolations, speculations, and manipulations of second and third hand juvenile witness statements" as well as "The impracticality of attempting to determine relationship variables (such as closeness or frequency of interaction)based upon the size of the community and the distribution of the people on the landscape.

I have been thinking a bit more about the map I made and I still believe I see a pattern. I am hesitant to state what that pattern seems to be, because I would expect that pattern would be recognized by more than person if it had any merit.

If anyone is curious at taking a look at the map again, here is the google map link. I can't seem to directly embed the map on this page.
The map is interactive and has the details related to the numbered incidents on the left hand side of the page in the side bar. Alternately, these informational boxes will appear when you click on the icons themselves.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=205327856569494080612.0004cc025a35a815c6851&msa=0


I also have a spreadsheet, work in progress, of these incidents. It is nice to have something to easily compare the various abduction attempts. That page is simply a google doc, and here is the link for that document.


[URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Apo5hrhE4vewdFQ5LThxcTFibGMtdlhDT1NUcGNXNnc&single=true&gid=0&output=html"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Apo5hrhE4vewdFQ5LThxcTFibGMtdlhDT1NUcGNXNnc&single=true&gid=0&output=html[/URL]

Thanks for doing the map and the incident reports.
I live in ayrshire and schools have had police attendance on the streets morning and home time due to the number of attempts lately.
I know this is fact as my own children attend one of these schools.
The incident reported in Wales the male and female stands out and the time being 7:30!!! Is this more than coincidence??? The ages of suspects the small van!!
I agree with you that ppl should look further than MB. I'm convinced there is a gang organising these and the same ppl (descriptions) keep appearing.
Thank you once again for highlighting all this in such an effective way

 

[Agatha Krispy]

Originally Posted by LittleMissContrary
I have been thinking a bit more about the map I made and I still believe I see a pattern. I am hesitant to state what that pattern seems to be, because I would expect that pattern would be recognized by more than person if it had any merit.

If anyone is curious at taking a look at the map again, here is the google map link. I can't seem to directly embed the map on this page.
The map is interactive and has the details related to the numbered incidents on the left hand side of the page in the side bar. Alternately, these informational boxes will appear when you click on the icons themselves.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...815c6851&msa=0


I also have a spreadsheet, work in progress, of these incidents. It is nice to have something to easily compare the various abduction attempts. That page is simply a google doc, and here is the link for that document.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=0&output=html


Pattern being a white van? Only pattern I can see. Sorry I'm a bit late on catching up. Been out!

 

[TulipaNoir]

O/T - Research assistants

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Adorable! And they look so happy and contented! :great:

 

[Cherwell]

I asked earlier if it was possible that MB was in the TA.

The MoD would have a record if he had been in the Territorials.

 

[raithjames]

Thanks for doing the map and the incident reports.
I live in ayrshire and schools have had police attendance on the streets morning and home time due to the number of attempts lately.
I know this is fact as my own children attend one of these schools.
The incident reported in Wales the male and female stands out and the time being 7:30!!! Is this more than coincidence??? The ages of suspects the small van!!
I agree with you that ppl should look further than MB. I'm convinced there is a gang organising these and the same ppl (descriptions) keep appearing.
Thank you once again for highlighting all this in such an effective way

In fact the more I look the more I see the 2 Limerick attempts both times 2 males targeting boys.
The 3 males early 20's targeting girls.
Also the fact that after a failed attempt another attempt is made a few days later.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

clutchbag,
my point is that law enforcement ARRESTED this guy. he is CHARGED. That means they have goods on this guy. They have evidence he murdered a five year old child or he would not be charged with that crime.

The legal machinations have yet to happen. And we will not see the evidence until that happens. Until then and until otherwise noted by law enforcement, they have the suspect in custody.

Heck the guy hasn't even entered a plea yet has he? Once his defense attorney gets the discovery this guy may well decide to plead out.

(depending on how your legal system works... seen it happen plenty of times in the US)

I'm not disagreeing with you but the UK way is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Sorry, am only just catching up

 

[bijoux]

Pattern being a white van? Only pattern I can see.

Yes, I see that too, and that none of the intended victims knew the suspects.

 

[Agatha Krispy]

That lot has taken forever to get through. About ten pages since this morning. Nursebeeme you asked if we had faith in our LE. I think Adorabella's post sums it up for me too.

Personally, something just doesn't feel right. There was something about the way this investigation unfolded that made me more uncomfortable and less sure, than relieved as time has gone on. No evidence has been made public and so it's impossible for us to take that into account and so I have only been able to weigh up what I have been privy to - which amounts to details that have constantly changed - which destroys confidence rather than build it in this instance.

Clearly the police are not infallible.

Do I have faith in our justice system? Hard to answer - I'd like to think that all police/ doctors/ MP's etc are moral and honest but having seen first hand various examples of this not being entirely true, it would be naive to not consider all options.

For E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-18901925

Or the footage of the police officer hitting Ian Tomlinson with a baton even though he was walking away and had his back to them, which resulted in his death.

The police in this case hopefully have an abundance of evidence pertaining to the guilt of MB (if he is the guilty party) and will easily convince a jury that he carried out this heinous crime and he will be locked up and the key thrown away.

If, however, it is all circumstantial and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (visiting his children after parent's evening, driving noticeably because his car wasn't working properly etc) and sort of fits a description or owns a vehicle that maybe in different kinds of light etc could somehow tie him to this crime and is a lad about town who needs to be brought down a peg or two (who knows?) - then for so many reasons, mainly the fact that the real perpetrator is still out there and April could have been found, it would be a complete travesty.

I am not saying he is innocent come what may, I am saying that I am presuming him to be innocent until it can be proved otherwise, which may be instant depending on the evidence brought forth at the trial.

 

[bijoux]

That doesn't mean the accused is a paedophile, the word has been bandied about here by one or two but not the majority.
MB has not been charged with an offence that implies that either.

No, that is absolutely true, but I can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind in trying to comprehend the whys and wherefores pertaining to the charges of abduction, murder, and perverting the course of justice.

 

[Dirk Gently]

And just to add one more from the devil's advocate, IF his phone was off, out of credit, whatever, didn't listen to TV or radio - think on this - he DID drop his car off to the garage, do you really think it wouldn't have been mentioned in such a small place, 'how ya going mate, you been involved in the search etc'. Unless he changed clothes after dropping off the car, he was even dressed in a way that would imply he was already helping in the search.

Do we know where the garage is located? Presumably in Machynlleth itself, but he was arrested later that day walking in the direction of Machynlleth? Did he go home in the meantime and if so how did he get there? On foot? By bus? Taxi? Did someone give him a lift?

Do we even know that he dropped his car at the garage the next day? I used to rent a flat above a garage and it was common for garage customers to drop their cars off after hours and push their car keys through the office letterbox. Sometimes this would occur very late at night, i.e. a recovery vehicle depositing a roadside breakdown for repair.