Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Insp.Dots]

Where is the Police station where MB was questioned?

Aberystwyth

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I know what you mean but Machynlleth is a town not an area, region or county. The very nature of the charge suggests otherwise.

"That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law. "

I think this is pointing to disposal (full or in part - I'd rather not say any more than this) in the river.

Reason I asked where he was questioned (before reading the charge sheet) was that if he had lied about location of the body during questioning at Mach, that would still be 'perverting the course of justice.'

However, as you say, the charges clearly identify that concealment or disposal was at Mach.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Memory gone, but someone on here said those pics were on his FB page before photos were made private. Interesting about VF.

Don't think it was these, just the pool one and shooting one that's his genuine FB pic....You could never see these on his 'Genuine' page, I tried the moment he was named and it was set to the same as it is now.:what:

 

[Dirk Gently]

Reason I asked where he was questioned (before reading the charge sheet) was that if he had lied about location of the body during questioning at Mach, that would still be 'perverting the course of justice.'

However, as you say, the charges clearly identify that concealment or disposal was at Mach.

If there's any substance to this then it strongly suggests that either MB made some sort of confession to LE or that something highly significant was discovered in the river within the town limits.

 

[veggiefan]

With the above in mind in seems to me that the decision to specifically identify Machynlleth as the place where this offence occurred IS significant given that there is no binding legal requirement to do so. If the offence occurred in Ceinws then presumably the charge would state "at Ceinws" instead.

The correct postal address for a house in Ceinws is Ceinws, Machynlleth SY20 . So stating Machynlleth does not exlude places in the area such as Ceinws.

 

[veggiefan]

I know what you mean but Machynlleth is a town not an area, region or county.

It is a Post Town, and as such is a required part of any address. All of the surrounding villages (including Ceinws) include Machynlleth as an official part of the address.

 

[Dirk Gently]

The correct postal address for a house in Ceinws is Ceinws, Machynlleth SY20 . So stating Machynlleth does not exlude places in the area such as Ceinws.

I stand corrected.

However, the other two charges also state "at Machynlleth" and the "at Machynlleth" mentioned in the abduction charge obviously means Machynlleth town itself. It could well be - as you suggest - that the other two charges mean the wider Machynlleth postcode area rather than the town itself, although we have no way of verifying this. Regardless, I still believe that the decision to situate the murder and disposal charges "at Machynlleth" (even Machynlleth in the wider sense) is significant. I cannot understand why LE would tie their hands in this way unless they had very good grounds to do so. LE obviously have evidence indicating that neither the murder nor the disposal occurred outside the wider Machynlleth area.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It is a Post Town, and as such is a required part of any address. All of the surrounding villages (including Ceinws) include Machynlleth as an official part of the address.

Lots of photos on story link as well.

The search for snatched April Jones has spread to a steep hillside where a man was seen carrying a black bag after she disappeared.

A team of 12 police officers moved in at 10am to cleared shrubs and vegetation - and began the painstaking work of sifting through the loose shale underneath.

The search area - the size of a tennis court - leads down to the river where the man carrying the black bag was seen by two witnesses at 1pm on Tuesday

Two women witnesses told police they spotted a man carrying a black bag down to the river below the hillside.

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.


Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/a...ck-bag-sighting-91466-31974005/#ixzz2AECIVOCk

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Photos like this, searchers risking their lives, this is really p....g me off, that potentially one mongrel can cause all this.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Lots of photos on story link as well.


The search area - the size of a tennis court - leads down to the river where the man carrying the black bag was seen by two witnesses at 1pm on Tuesday

Two women witnesses told police they spotted a man carrying a black bag down to the river below the hillside.

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.

BBM
Ok, I 'm confused on this and may need some local help on this....

My understanding of this was that the women saw him coming down a bank nearer to the Dyfi Bridge than Ceinws. ?

From what i saw on the news reports the bank down to the river behind MB's garden wasn't as overlooked as much and more private.

But if it was nearer to Ceinws are we to believe that these two women were 'there' just chatting on the riverbank?

My point...I don't understand why they would have been in Ceinws, they are from Mach and it sounded like they were just having a casual stroll and chat more than doing any kind of search.
Can anyone shed any light on this please?

 

[Dirk Gently]

I stand corrected.

However, the other two charges also state "at Machynlleth" and the "at Machynlleth" mentioned in the abduction charge obviously means Machynlleth town itself. It could well be - as you suggest - that the other two charges mean the wider Machynlleth postcode area rather than the town itself, although we have no way of verifying this. Regardless, I still believe that the decision to situate the murder and disposal charges "at Machynlleth" (even Machynlleth in the wider sense) is significant. I cannot understand why LE would tie their hands in this way unless they had very good grounds to do so. LE obviously have evidence indicating that neither the murder nor the disposal occurred outside the wider Machynlleth area.

Just entered SY20 as search criteria in Google Maps and it draws a distinct (and rather large) boundary around the area. Again, I fully accept that "at Machynlleth" could refer to this wider area but it still seems to me that the second and third charges must stand or fall on evidence linking the offences to this area.

Again, and given that there is no legal requirement to include or specify a location in a charge, the very nature of the charge itself makes the reference to "at Machynlleth" nonsensical unless LE have some very specific evidence linking the offence to Machynlleth.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Lots of photos on story link as well.


The search area - the size of a tennis court - leads down to the river where the man carrying the black bag was seen by two witnesses at 1pm on Tuesday

Two women witnesses told police they spotted a man carrying a black bag down to the river below the hillside.

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.

BBM
Ok, I 'm confused on this and may need some local help on this....

My understanding of this was that the women saw him coming down a bank nearer to the Dyfi Bridge than Ceinws. ?

From what i saw on the news reports the bank down to the river behind MB's garden wasn't as overlooked as much and more private.

But if it was nearer to Ceinws are we to believe that these two women were 'there' just chatting on the riverbank?

My point...I don't understand why they would have been in Ceinws, they are from Mach and it sounded like they were just having a casual stroll and chat more than doing any kind of search.
Can anyone shed any light on this please?

I think veggie or jigzy posted a photo a while back of a shale bank and said it was very likely the one police were searching. Photo was before they started searching. And if I got this right, it's the Dulas? -before it joins the Dyfi.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think veggie or jigzy posted a photo a while back of a shale bank and said it was very likely the one police were searching. Photo was before they started searching. And if I got this right, it's the Dulas? -before it joins the Dyfi.

Ah thanks, yes it is the Dulas behind MB's house. The report says 5miles from Mach, the Dyfi Bridge is virtually on the edge of town.
Ceinsw hardly seems the type of place to me that these local ladies would go for a stroll too??

 

[Cherwell]

I should think they were simply looking for MB. They would have heard by then that he was suspected of being involved, and knew where he lived (or had found out - it's clear that some people must have known).

 

[Clutchbag]

Ah thanks, yes it is the Dulas behind MB's house. The report says 5miles from Mach, the Dyfi Bridge is virtually on the edge of town.
Ceinsw hardly seems the type of place to me that these local ladies would go for a stroll too??

IIRC Ceinsw was not part of the search area on Tuesday afternoon, but I could be wrong. i too thought what they were doing there, its like five miles away. And coincidentally spotted the suspicious looking man.

The other thing is if it was MB they saw at 1pm how did he get to Machynlleth river bank by 1.45 to be caught on camera? By channel 4.
Thats if that was him as well or at all in the two sightings.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I should think they were simply looking for MB. They would have heard by then that he was suspected of being involved, and knew where he lived (or had found out - it's clear that some people must have known).

Yep, could well be. Just find it odd after looking at MB's house and surrounding area on Google that it's not an easy place for two ladies to access without going on what looks like private property.

I had thought it meant further along from the Dyfi bridge where the man was also filmed by channel 4.
:what:

 

[Insp.Dots]

IIRC Ceinsw was not part of the search area on Tuesday afternoon, but I could be wrong. i too thought what they were doing there, its like five miles away. And coincidentally spotted the suspicious looking man.

The other thing is if it was MB they saw at 1pm how did he get to Machynlleth river bank by 1.45 to be caught on camera? By channel 4.
Thats if that was him as well or at all in the two sightings.

Yes, you're on my wavelength, makes no sense to me.:twocents:

 

[veggiefan]

Is Machynlleth in Council Powys and Ceinws in Council Gwynned?

No, they are both in Powys. The county boundary runs along the A487, so east of the road (where Ceinws is situated) is just in Powys.

 

[Cherwell]

It's even feasible that one of them lives at Ceinws. One of them hasn't been named afaik. Or they could have been visiting somebody there.

Oh, and I wouldn't place too much reliance on times, especially as quoted in the media.

 

[veggiefan]

The other thing is if it was MB they saw at 1pm how did he get to Machynlleth river bank by 1.45 to be caught on camera?

It's just about 3 miles from Mount Pleasant to the banks of the Dyfi and downhill all the way, so perfectly possible for a fit man.