UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #2

[Carroll520]

I thought the cctv had no sound, i think they are diff clips, its too sad if he was saying nobody loves me while trying to carry blanket

 

[ScottishSam]

also the naivety in his answers to the prosecution, he said on his first date he told ET about his situation and sons mother in prison and he thought that she would run a mile, but she assured him she would love him…this shows to me that he is incredibly naive to be even thinking about love on a first date. It’s as if she saw him coming…

Definitely!
If someone told me on a first date they loved or would love me I'd run a mile in the other direction. Not normal behaviour

 

[Carroll520]

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That is no accidental bruise, it looks as if he'd been hit with something with a lot of force, or even kicked. The poor boy, any sympathy I had for TH Is fading fast, how could he allow this or even do this to his own son !

Its a vicious looking bruise of i ever saw one. What was TH thinking going back to the house after that!!!

 

[ScottishSam]

I thought the cctv had no sound, i think they are diff clips, its too sad if he was saying nobody loves me while trying to carry blanket

I thought they were different clips too.

 

[Tinksx]

I thought the cctv had no sound, i think they are diff clips, its too sad if he was saying nobody loves me while trying to carry blanket

It was mentioned that the Cctv didn’t have any audio. I’m suspecting ET recorded the audio whilst watching Arthur struggle with the duvet. Maybe, during investigation, the timings of audio and cctv were compared for them to come to this conclusion?

or…… Daily Mail are mistaken and have misreported, again a possibility and not uncommon.

 

[Carroll520]

I would take anything the daily mail say with a pinch of salt, i think its defos not the sound from the cctv

 

[Mellowmelly]

I thought the cctv had no sound, i think they are diff clips, its too sad if he was saying nobody loves me while trying to carry blanket

It's a bit confusing because I've also read in the trial coverage that there was no sound on the video clips, so it could be from different recordings. At one point in the video clip I thought it looked as if Arthur was crying or grimacing, wich they have confirmed in that article

 

[Chessgirl]

I would take anything the daily mail say with a pinch of salt, i think its defos not the sound from the cctv

Right because he does not appear to be talking in the video. I’m confused.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Definitely!
If someone told me on a first date they loved or would love me I'd run a mile in the other direction. Not normal behaviour

The "love bombing" stage of the narcissist, they prey on naive weak people and she definitely found that in TH.

 

[ScottishSam]

It was mentioned that the Cctv didn’t have any audio. I’m suspecting ET recorded the audio whilst watching Arthur struggle with the duvet. Maybe, during investigation, the timings of audio and cctv were compared for them to come to this conclusion?

or…… Daily Mail are mistaken and have misreported, again a possibility and not uncommon.

Jesus - I hadn't thought of that . I wouldn't put it past her

 

[ScottishSam]

Right because he does not appear to be talking in the video. I’m confused.

Maybe she recorded the sound to accompany that clip in the isolation box?

 

[Carroll520]

If the daily mails reporting is accurate, then the cctv and audio of Arthur crying “no one loves me” was at the same time.

“Yesterday, heart-wrenching CCTV emerged showing the emaciated youngster, whose pyjamas appear to be hanging off him, grimace in pain as he tries to pick up his cover and special Avengers pillow.

In the haunting video, filmed just hours earlier on June 16 and shown to the court yesterday, the tragic boy is seen struggling to stand before slumping to the floor of the living room.

Arthur cries 'no one loves me' four times as he struggles to walk to the other side of the room while appearing to be suffering from a limp.

Following on from that, it also states:

On Tuesday jurors were played the CCTV footage of Arthur struggling to move his duvet after being forced to sleep in the living room for the fifth day in a row.

The photo of Arthur's bruised shoulder that authorities 'ignored' | Daily Mail Online

The jurors only saw this cctv the same day we did? Could it be this cctv that has caused ETs mysterious illness, as in, seeing in black and white, how destroyed Arthur was merely hours before he died at her hands? Could it be due to the fact that ET now knows that the game is up and that Arthur’s misery is now visually there for the world to see? Just me musing…..

I thought the jurors had seen both pieces during ET's time on the stand?

 

[Tinksx]

Right because he does not appear to be talking in the video. I’m confused.

I might be mistaken, simply because I have only watched the cctv once (could not handle a repeat), but from that one viewing I could see him grimacing and appearing to cry. He also spent a lot of the time with his back turned to the cctv when he was shuffling out towards the door. Therefore, if daily mail are indeed factually reporting, I could easily see ET audibly recording Arthur and it taking place when Arthur’s back is towards the camera.

Again, it could be DM incorrectly reporting and ‘fanning the flames’. It’s anyones guess.

 

[ChloLo]

I’m inclined to think the daily Mail are wrong. They have form. Wasn’t the cctv shown right at the start of the trial or was it just talked about.

 

[Tinksx]

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I’m inclined to think the daily Mail are wrong. They have form. Wasn’t the cctv shown right at the start of the trial or was it just talked about.

I sincerely hope they are because if that audio was recorded whilst Arthur was severely struggling like that and very obviously so, that’s some seriously sadistic behaviour. I mean, all of it is anyway, but if she watched him struggling like that and then sent an audio like “he’s at it again!!” I just can’t see how that’s defendable. I cannot see how her legal team has managed to stand up and defend that. I hope that makes sense? I know what I’m trying to say but I can’t word it properly

 

[Carroll520]

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I sincerely hope they are because if that audio was recorded whilst Arthur was severely struggling like that and very obviously so, that’s some seriously sadistic behaviour. I mean, all of it is anyway, but if she watched him struggling like that and then sent an audio like “he’s at it again!!” I just can’t see how that’s defendable. I cannot see how her legal team has managed to stand up and defend that. I hope that makes sense? I know what I’m trying to say but I can’t word it properly

I get what you mean, its different level evil if the audio is the sound to the cctv. I really hope its not

 

[ChloLo]

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I sincerely hope they are because if that audio was recorded whilst Arthur was severely struggling like that and very obviously so, that’s some seriously sadistic behaviour. I mean, all of it is anyway, but if she watched him struggling like that and then sent an audio like “he’s at it again!!” I just can’t see how that’s defendable. I cannot see how her legal team has managed to stand up and defend that. I hope that makes sense? I know what I’m trying to say but I can’t word it properly

Someone has to do it, everybody is entitled to a defence in our legal system.

 

[Tinksx]

Someone has to do it, everybody is entitled to a defence in our legal system.

It’s definitely right to ensure a fair trial, there are innocent people that are charged after all so defence lawyers are an important part of our legal system. I just can’t imagine being presented with such overwhelming evidence and being able to adequately defend it? But that’s me. Hence why I’ve never gotten into law, I’m not cut out for it from an emotional aspect. I genuinely dread the prospect of ever being called up for jury duty and sincerely hope it skips me

 

[Discosally]

Someone has to do it, everybody is entitled to a defence in our legal system.

I don’t think that her barrister is putting up a good defence, she just throws out accusations that could create reasonable doubt for ET, that’s all she has to do to fulfill her job description. But the prosecution and TH barrister throw them back at ET and her demeanour and answers speak for themselves…

 

[Angleterre]

Not much is too much for me. Average bloke in mid 40s. But God in heaven. This poor boy. I have a 7 year old son. I never cry but cant stop. Its the mental agony the lad must have gone through. The sadness and loneliness he felt. Just wanting someone to hold him and feed him. Sorry just need to get it out. They will get their punishment. God look after this boy.

Like you, not much can break me, having spent over two decades in LE as a Detective Chief Inspector and senior investigating officer in charge of the CID, which meant that I saw all the crimes out there and investigated Murder and (Suspicious circumstances of ) Missing People , alongside Armed Robbery, Rape , Serious Domestic Violence and child and elder abuse. The closest I ever came to breaking was when a woman moved home, leaving behind her 20 months old child and only returning 3 times in nearly 3 weeks to see to said child, leaving him water in between. That almost broke me but THIS - Poor Poor Arthur , I and I’m sure many many others would have taken him in . I am heartbroken for him. Words cannot describe. I really do hope that there is a heaven and he’s now there having the best time.
I’ve read ‘sperm donors’ testimony aka the man who was supposed to act like a Dad and from a professional perspective I can see that he was under some mental abuse of Domestic violence and it’s only right and proper that he be given just as much a recognition of DV as a woman DV victim is given and controlled by another. However, although it’s present, I don’t believe he was totally under her control and would put his hand in the fire if she said to do so. I say this because there are interesting parts of the case which are put to him where it wasn’t about her ‘making him do it’ per se , wether by control , manipulation or coercion . I say this because if he was truly under her spell and can now see her for what she is then he would be totally remorseful and he isn’t . He’s a little remorseful but he’s hiding behind her coat tails saying she made me do it , she told me wrongly that Arthur had done xyz but he’s still refusing to totally disown her and still backs her over Arthur . And why would she have cameras put in? Unless it’s part of her plan to show Thomas as a violent monster but what does she get out of that ? They are both monsters for what they have done to that little boy and more independent people should have pushed against them and worked even harder for Arthur . They deserve life ! That poor sweet beautiful boy who was also very clever which was so obvious by his recognition of his situation. They should be made to feel the fear that Arthur felt , every minute of every day. I am so sorry buddy , you deserved so much better. Xx