UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #2

[Funky funky]

She knows the jig is up IMO. Hence her hospital trip today. Didn’t she claim that Arthur punched her in the stomach the next day? And yet the footage shows him struggling to stand. She knows she is toast. JMO

 

[Dotta]

I genuinely dread the prospect of ever being called up for jury duty and sincerely hope it skips me

May I ask?
Are you registered as a possible juror?
In my country people who want to be jurors declare their willingness and then are vetted.

 

[Angleterre]

I have been seeing the updates of this trial posted in the media but haven’t been able to actually read them, as a parent just the headlines make me feel sick to my stomach. One of the worst cases of child abuse/neglect this country has seen in recent times, I’d go as far as to actually say the worst. Poor Arthur, there just aren’t any words for how he suffered its beyond comprehension.

When it comes to UK cases I usually make a point to see them through to the end, but this is one I just can’t, it’s far too upsetting and would keep me awake at night. The trial seems to have gone on for so long, I just hope that Arthur gets justice and these monsters get a whole life sentence. If anyone deserves never to have freedom again it’s these two IMO.

Victoria Climbie was the worst . Consequently, as a result of her death, a public enquiry was ordered which resulted in a report by Lord Laming which made recommendations to change the way in which child protection was approached and was passed through government in 2003 with the introduction of the Children’s Act of 2004 where important changes were around ‘ Every Child Matters’ and framework and guidance which introduced data warehousing ‘ Contact Point’ so that confidential information could be shared between the Police and Social Services throughout the Country ( England and Wales) and a Children’s commissioner to oversee the changes to legislation and ensure that there was a co ordinated effort to improve child protection.
Unfortunately, the roll out and understanding of the changes didn’t come in time to save Baby P ( Peter Connelly) in 2006/7 and Lord Laming chaired yet a further enquiry into the death of Baby P which was during a time of great changes whereby multi agencies now work together and share information which wasn’t done prior to this time . I was promoted to Detective Inspector in 2005 when the following week, Lord Lamings report ( book of recommended CP procedure ) landed on my desk and it took months to have meetings with partner agencies and set up a working group to interpret his changes and both sign then into practice locally and put them into practice in real time and every day use without being given increases in staff or budget to roll out a massive training program because it impacted on the doctrine of DOLI INCAPAX around Children’s knowledge of right and wrong etc so it was mammoth but it has been for the better albeit there are still some children who slip through the net and just 1 child is one too many.
This case was further compounded by lockdown due to Covid when children weren’t in school where poor Arthur would have been fed and the changes to his body and personality noted and when he could have confided in teachers or they could have noted concerns and made a CP refer all to the MASH teams. It’s so very sad

 

[Luwin]

May I ask?
Are you registered as a possible juror?
In my country people who want to be jurors declare their willingness and then are vetted.

I don't think we get a choice in the UK- think we're all required to do it if called up between ages of 18 - 70

 

[Dotta]

I don't think we get a choice in the UK- think we're all required to do it if called up between ages of 18 - 70

I see!!!!!
The difference between our countries is that we dont have a jury system.
Well, 2 jurors are present at trials but they only give their opinion to the Judge.
Retired people are usually willing to do this task.

 

[Tinksx]

May I ask?
Are you registered as a possible juror?
In my country people who want to be jurors declare their willingness and then are vetted.

Adults in the UK can be called to jury service. You can’t really escape it if you are called either and you can be called more than once in your lifetime. Here’s a link that will explain it better

Jury service

 

[Angleterre]

I don't think we get a choice in the UK- think we're all required to do it if called up between ages of 18 - 70

Yep it’s mandatory and you can be instructed to do it more than once

 

[Ironside]

Perhaps Tustin needed an emergency op to remove all the salt from her bits.

 

[ChloLo]

I don’t think that her barrister is putting up a good defence, she just throws out accusations that could create reasonable doubt for ET, that’s all she has to do to fulfill her job description. But the prosecution and TH barrister throw them back at ET and her demeanour and answers speak for themselves…

Maybe her barrister isn’t fighting particularly hard because of the evidence. Just ticking the boxes, getting through trial and hoping for a guilty verdict.

 

[Dotta]

Maybe her barrister isn’t fighting particularly hard because of the evidence. Just ticking the boxes, getting through trial and hoping for a guilty verdict.

But it might be the cause for appeal!

 

[ScottishSam]

Perhaps Tustin needed an emergency op to remove all the salt from her bits.

Haha! I know I shouldn't laugh but that salt thing is so ridiculous.
I've met one very old lady who bathed in salt, but I've never heard of it being applied neat to the genitalia.
As we all know the bladder and urinary tract is inside the body, I have not yet grasped how applying salt to the external area would help any infection.
We normally recommend antibiotics and cream for these things.

 

[ScottishSam]

Maybe her barrister isn’t fighting particularly hard because of the evidence. Just ticking the boxes, getting through trial and hoping for a guilty verdict.

A friend of mine studied law. She left because one of their lectures was from a solicitor who gloated he'd gotten a man 'off' on a technicality for what was a very serious crime. The impression she got was the solicitor knew said person was guilty.

 

[Angleterre]

But it might be the cause for appeal!

Not if the evidence is a slam dunk
Sometimes you can’t do anything with nothing

 

[ChloLo]

Grounds for appeal would be something like ineffective counsel. As long as the barrister everything they are required to do, then that wouldn’t apply. You can’t appeal just because you don’t like a verdict.

 

[ChloLo]

A friend of mine studied law. She left because one of their lectures was from a solicitor who gloated he'd gotten a man 'off' on a technicality for what was a very serious crime. The impression she got was the solicitor knew said person was guilty.

Bad apples in every profession.

 

[ScottishSam]

She knows the jig is up IMO. Hence her hospital trip today. Didn’t she claim that Arthur punched her in the stomach the next day? And yet the footage shows him struggling to stand. She knows she is toast. JMO

Yes, he apparently headbutted her too. And had the energy to push her down the stairs at the hairdresser's house. Even though the hairdresser stated she didn't witness it.

 

[ChloLo]

Victoria Climbie was the worst . Consequently, as a result of her death, a public enquiry was ordered which resulted in a report by Lord Laming which made recommendations to change the way in which child protection was approached and was passed through government in 2003 with the introduction of the Children’s Act of 2004 where important changes were around ‘ Every Child Matters’ and framework and guidance which introduced data warehousing ‘ Contact Point’ so that confidential information could be shared between the Police and Social Services throughout the Country ( England and Wales) and a Children’s commissioner to oversee the changes to legislation and ensure that there was a co ordinated effort to improve child protection.
Unfortunately, the roll out and understanding of the changes didn’t come in time to save Baby P ( Peter Connelly) in 2006/7 and Lord Laming chaired yet a further enquiry into the death of Baby P which was during a time of great changes whereby multi agencies now work together and share information which wasn’t done prior to this time . I was promoted to Detective Inspector in 2005 when the following week, Lord Lamings report ( book of recommended CP procedure ) landed on my desk and it took months to have meetings with partner agencies and set up a working group to interpret his changes and both sign then into practice locally and put them into practice in real time and every day use without being given increases in staff or budget to roll out a massive training program because it impacted on the doctrine of DOLI INCAPAX around Children’s knowledge of right and wrong etc so it was mammoth but it has been for the better albeit there are still some children who slip through the net and just 1 child is one too many.
This case was further compounded by lockdown due to Covid when children weren’t in school where poor Arthur would have been fed and the changes to his body and personality noted and when he could have confided in teachers or they could have noted concerns and made a CP refer all to the MASH teams. It’s so very sad

I grew up in the same borough at Victoria and Peter. Heartbreaking cases. The changes were necessary but as there are still children falling through the cracks, something further needs to change.

Relevant charities were raising concerns about lockdown, saying that victims of abuse would be the hidden victims of the pandemic. In Arthur’s case it’s so true.

 

[Dotta]

Grounds for appeal would be something like ineffective counsel. As long as the barrister everything they are required to do, then that wouldn’t apply. You can’t appeal just because you don’t like a verdict.

What I meant was not "liking the verdict or not liking".
But I oppose the attitude of "not fighting enough" for the client.
Why to choose this profession then?
Let's think about doctors, teachers etc.

 

[ChloLo]

What I meant was not "liking the verdict or not liking".
But I oppose the attitude of "not fighting enough" for the client.
Why to choose this profession then?
Let's think about doctors, teachers etc.

You can’t appeal just because you don’t like the verdict. You can appeal the punishment handed down or a point of law but not the verdict.

I never said not fighting enough. She’s asked questions of TH to create reasonable doubt. That what her job is. I more meant, not trying especially hard to get a not guilty verdict. I hope that makes sense.