UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #2

[Carroll520]

@Riparthur I am actually not sure of the time line of when that happened. Such cruelty of the highest order. Lots of things that TH did were off his own bat, the fact he was Arthurs father and supposed protector making them even harder to comprehend.
I have been the same with my little 4 year old, holding his hand that bit tighter these days.

I get where you are coming from, your brain is searching for answers as to how they did what they did. We are all the same, so affected by this case. I am not sure if he had any other food that day other than the sandwich ET made him as soon as Th went out to the shops

 

[zaksmum]

Hi, I am new here and I have joined because of this Arthurs case.

I have also been following Star’s case, however even though that is harrowing, she was fed and clean whereas Arthur’s was beaten, starved and made to sleep on concrete so whilst they both hurt my heart, somethings about Arthurs touches a nerve.

What is really annoying though, when you read Star’s trial transcript, they are so well written. They even mention the accused broke down crying when speaking about what happened to Star, how family members got emotional when seeing videos and had to leave the room etc.

Why isn’t this level of detail being written about Arthurs’s trial? It just seems so cold and formal. I would like the see how Tom and Emma’s demeanor is in court and how people reacted to videos etc. It is so annoying!!

 

[zaksmum]

Emma did cry occasionally, it doesn't sound like Tom did? I would be crying hysterically for my child that I helped kill unintentionally.

 

[Dotta]

Emma did cry occasionally, it doesn't sound like Tom did? I would be crying hysterically for my child that I helped kill unintentionally.

I would like to see their faces and body language while testifying.
But, on the other hand, maybe it is better that we dont see devil???

 

[Carroll520]

Emma did cry occasionally, it doesn't sound like Tom did? I would be crying hysterically for my child that I helped kill unintentionally.

Yep there was no mention of him showing any emotion at all, good point! Seems odd!

 

[Carroll520]

I would like to see their faces and body language while testifyig.
But, on the other hand, maybe it is better that we dont see devil???

Yeah same here, but it might be best left unseen

 

[Discosally]

Emma did cry occasionally, it doesn't sound like Tom did? I would be crying hysterically for my child that I helped kill unintentionally.

ET cried for herself though, and when her son was caught on an audio clip being kind to Arthur, she said she was crying because her own son was kind…she hasn’t cried for Arthur or what he suffered

 

[Discosally]

Hi, I am new here and I have joined because of this Arthurs case.

I have also been following Star’s case, however even though that is harrowing, she was fed and clean whereas Arthur’s was beaten, starved and made to sleep on concrete so whilst they both hurt my heart, somethings about Arthurs touches a nerve.

What is really annoying though, when you read Star’s trial transcript, they are so well written. They even mention the accused broke down crying when speaking about what happened to Star, how family members got emotional when seeing videos and had to leave the room etc.

Why isn’t this level of detail being written about Arthurs’s trial? It just seems so cold and formal. I would like the see how Tom and Emma’s demeanor is in court and how people reacted to videos etc. It is so annoying!!

I agree, the reporting is brief, I wish it was better too, I don’t know why it is so brief

 

[Carroll520]

ET cried for herself though, and when her son was caught on an audio clip being kind to Arthur, she said she was crying because her own son was kind…she hasn’t cried for Arthur or what he suffered

Yeah she only cried twice, once about her abortion and then when hearing her son

 

[Mellowmelly]

I predict she will end up in mental unit.
MOO

I hope not ! I don't think she is Mentally ill at all, personality disorders are not classed as mental illnesses as far as I'm aware. She knew what she was doing was wrong, let's hope she gets the lengthiest prison sentence possible and no segregation.

 

[Dotta]

I hope not ! I don't think she is Mentally ill at all, personality disorders are not classed as mental illnesses as far as I'm aware. She knew what she was doing was wrong, let's hope she gets the lengthiest prison sentence possible and no segregation.

I dont think her state of mind is improving - quite the opposite.

 

[everybodhi]

It’s so difficult because we all despise him, we know what he has done to his son. What makes me believe he was a good father at some point is all the testimonies from people that knew him, including positive relationships with Arthur’s school and GP, the fact that he always had joint care of Arthur, and SS deemed him fit to have sole care when OLH was imprisoned, if she had concerns that he would abuse Arthur she would have said I think, he was raising him for 11years until her sentence was served . It’s a big step to think that all this time he was plotting cruelty to his son and bidding his time to start abusing. The fact that he started the abuse when he moved in with ET speaks for itself to me.
also, there has been no reference to him using drugs whatsoever, so for the first time ever, I am defending him there, I don’t think he used recreational illegal drugs.

Interesting theory. So, he was a great dad while he was with his family (who, in my opinion, very likely helped, as in fed him and his child three squares a day, got up in the mornings and got the child to school), but then in a matter of a few months an evil woman caused him to all of a sudden not participate in the day to day care at all, except to encourage abuse daily and use pressure points he learned from bad cops, and treat his son worse than we treat the worst of the worst in prison, showing no remorse under oath?
Sounds like back in the days we believed in witches and spells.

 

[Riparthur]

Do the monsters explain why Arthur wasn’t at school on June 8th when all kids were back in the UK?!?

that would’ve and should’ve ring alarm bells big time to the school councillor that already had concerns for him !!

 

[Discosally]

Do the monsters explain why Arthur wasn’t at school on June 8th when all kids were back in the UK?!?

that would’ve and should’ve ring alarm bells big time to the school councillor that already had concerns for him !!

Not all kids were not back at school until September , only reception and yr1 re-opened and that was optional. The school did call up twice I think and both times they were told he would be starting the following Monday.

 

[Discosally]

Not all kids were not back at school until September , only reception and yr1 re-opened and that was optional. The school did call up twice I think and both times they were told he would be starting the following Monday.

also, it’s poignant that only Reception and Yr1 opened because of abuse. The Govt advisors said that children in these years will be unaware of abuse and think it happens in all homes and can’t do anything about it, so the first two years of school was opened up to protect these age children, but made optional not compulsory. The lockdown really was a great cover for abusers

 

[ChloLo]

I really hope not. Although, I think if sent to one of those places, you don’t get given a maximum term, so you are in there until the psychiatrists and panel think you are safe to be released…which could be never. It’s almost impossible to prove that you are no longer mad, as the more you protest, the more mad you sound….?

There are a number of different sections, so it would depend which one she was under if she did end up in a mental health unit. But, generally it’s harder to get released from a MHU than it is from prison. In prison once your times up you’re free to go. In MHU you have to prove that you’re not a risk to yourself and others.
Mellowmelly is right, personality disorders are not a mental illness, as such, there is no specific cure or medication. Therapy is the general treatment.

 

[ScottishSam]

There are a number of different sections, so it would depend which one she was under if she did end up in a mental health unit. But, generally it’s harder to get released from a MHU than it is from prison. In prison once your times up you’re free to go. In MHU you have to prove that you’re not a risk to yourself and others.
Mellowmelly is right, personality disorders are not a mental illness, as such, there is no specific cure or medication. Therapy is the general treatment.

It could also be she needs a period of treatment in a MHU, then would be transferred to a prison to complete her sentence.
Psychiatric staff are trained to spot a 'mad' individual, and she'll undergo extensive interviews etc to make sure she's sane, and receive therapy.
I'd rather be in the MHU, it's a place for therapy and healing. It's not like Bedlam back in the day

 

[ChloLo]

It could also be she needs a period of treatment in a MHU, then would be transferred to a prison to complete her sentence.
Psychiatric staff are trained to spot a 'mad' individual, and she'll undergo extensive interviews etc to make sure she's sane, and receive therapy.
I'd rather be in the MHU, it's a place for therapy and healing. It's not like Bedlam back in the day

Yes that’s one of the different section types I was referring to.

 

[ScottishSam]

Yes that’s one of the different section types I was referring to.

I thought you did.

 

[ChloLo]

It’s interesting that Arthur wasn’t at school throughout lockdown. If he had a social worker he would have been eligible to go to school throughout.
I’m will be interested in seeing the SCR. Because I have lots of questions that aren’t being answered in the court process.