Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #3

[Skigh]

The prosecution said the Cowbit pings suggested movement. He could quite easily have stopped to text and driven on. They're not long messages.

I'm not convinced that the style of language is SaW's in this exchange. I think this is ScW pretending to be BW.

Experts would more than likely have been able to determine who wrote the texts using Berni's phone.

 

[Sooty]

This sounds like ScW texting to me.

i think I’m missing something - how does this text help either of them. I just can’t see it!

 

[CSIAngus]

Experts would more than likely have been able to determine who wrote the texts using Berni's phone.

I expect SaW's defence will focus on this.

 

[Tortoise]

The prosecution said the Cowbit pings suggested movement. He could quite easily have stopped to text and driven on. They're not long messages.

I'm not convinced that the style of language is SaW's in this exchange. I think this is ScW pretending to be BW.

I think it's Sarah pretending to be a teenager talking to her friend. It's all academic really, only the jury will have been told if the phone was moving while the texts were being sent, and if Sarah has admitted sending them. We do know Sarah didn't say to police that her phone was missing she only said he used her thumb to track her. She admitted the charge of sending texts from Bee's phone after that, so she would have probably denied it all if she was going to say he did it.

 

[CSIAngus]

i think I’m missing something - how does this text help either of them. I just can’t see it!

It maintains the falsehood that BW is still alive and using her phone. At this stage of events, no-one knows what we now know.

 

[CSIAngus]

I think it's Sarah pretending to be a teenager talking to her friend. It's all academic really, only the jury will have been told if the phone was moving while the texts were being sent, and if Sarah has admitted sending them. We do know Sarah didn't say to police that her phone was missing she only said he used her thumb to track her. She admitted the charge of sending texts from Bee's phone after that, so she would have probably denied it all if she was going to say he did it.

I didn't say she knew ScW was pinching her phone when she's in bed. It's suggested that he has gained access to it. If I was defending SaW I would definitely be developing this narrative.

I've not seen any mention that gps tracking was enabled on BW's iphone.

 

[dunkley]

It maintains the falsehood that BW is still alive and using her phone. At this stage of events, no-one knows what we now know.

SaW has admitted sending messages from BW's phone.
At some point she will have been asked, "And what did you do with it *then*?"
It will be interesting to see what her reply was ....

 

[CSIAngus]

SaW has admitted sending messages from BW's phone.
At some point she will have been asked, "And what did you do with it *then*?"
It will be interesting to see what her reply was ....

I will bet my house on SaW denying sending all the messages from BW's phone.

 

[Bogyo13]

SaW has admitted sending messages from BW's phone.
At some point she will have been asked, "And what did you do with it *then*?"
It will be interesting to see what her reply was ....

YES!

I'm also puzzled about the sim card as someone above mentioned. Would LE be able to track a phone after it was reset to factory settings with a new SIM?

 

[Bogyo13]

The lack of reporting is so frustrating!
I wish cameras were allowed for public here, similar to US cases.
I hope all those phone data analyses won't bore the jury and tilt the case. I find them fascinating but I guess it depends on how it's told. JMO

 

[dunkley]

I will bet my house on SaW denying sending all the messages from BW's phone.

Very likely, but whenever the last admitted use of the phone, she still needs to explain what she did with it afterwards. She can hardly say she gave it back to B ....

 

[Mercsw]

You mean ScW's phone was at the lock up, but was he? He could quite easily have nipped out to send the text from near the prison.

it’s not nearby, is across the city and some

 

[jackal67]

Apologies if this has been answered before (in which case I missed it) but do the 'steps' recorded on the phone also include running as well as walking?.

Just considering Sat 18th - a scenario where maybe BW did run out of the car (in Gunthorpe somewhere?), ScW chased and caught up to her. It would follow then that BW subsequently died following this chase.

This could make her death unplanned/opportunistic (but still deliberate) as opposed to pre-meditated (as in BW's death had already been determined prior to her being collected).

That makes sense. But why was SaW sending texts and changing passwords on BWs phone the night before if unplanned?

 

[jackal67]

Plus BW's phone was in the house with SaW while ScW was out, and she was having a fake text conversation with BW.

Exactly. So SaW only could have sent those messages at that time. But other times it could have been either one of them as all three phones are together. Hence why they have both been charged with it

 

[jackal67]

That's not what I'm saying. SaW took the phone off BW and used it to make up a conversation early afternoon on the 18th. That is fact. ScW might have had BW's phone after that. We can't assume that a phone equals a person. I went to the supermarket last night but my mobile phone stayed at home. On the basis of the phone, I never left the house.

We learned from SaW that ScW unlocked her phone (assuming iphone) with her fingerprint one night when she was in bed. He could then have added his own fingerprint to open her phone at will (it allows up to 5 fingerprints per phone). Based on SaW's phone alone, what is the pattern of incrimination? Is it all at night when SaW is in bed?

As I say, I'm playing Devil's Advocate.

But the fingerprint story sounds very far fetched. How would she know he had done that if she was asleep? She could just be saying that to cover herself. Wouldnt she ask ScW where BWs phone was as she had been using it herself?

 

[jackal67]

Experts would more than likely have been able to determine who wrote the texts using Berni's phone.

They are both charged with this though so could have been either one of them at various times when all 3 phones were together

 

[Skigh]

They are both charged with this though so could have been either one of them at various times when all 3 phones were together

I think the experts could work out which messages were written by whom by examining things such as the grammar,spelling punctuation and vocabulary used.

 

[CSIAngus]

They are both charged with this though so could have been either one of them at various times when all 3 phones were together

Charged but not yet convicted. They are separately charged so could be any of 4 outcomes.

 

[jackal67]

Charged but not yet convicted. They are separately charged so could be any of 4 outcomes.

I meant that some of us assumed the text messages/ phone stuff was all done by SaW as she has pleaded guilty to 2 counts of PCJ wheres ScW has pleaded not guilty to all 4.

 

[CSIAngus]

it’s not nearby, is across the city and some

It's about 10 mins by road from the lock up to the gate of the prison and it might not have been that close to the prison. Message from BW's phone sent at 3.33pm and ScW sent a text to his stepfather at from the lock up at 3.45pm. That's 12 mins. I think the phone and text sent then was deliberate.