Found Deceased UK - Caroline Everest, 18, Sheffield, 22 Nov 2015

[ColourPurple]

I can't see much around the Summerfield St part of Napier St, but it looks like some takeaway places and restaurants around the southern side of Waitrose.

Back up around the Devonshire cat (why walk all the way to Napier St if you're in the town center, where there ought to be some takeaway open?) the most obvious thing that stands out to me is that G. maps has a Unite office right next door to the Devonshire Cat...would that be open at night? Would she get thrown out of the club and head up there to call a taxi or something (if she didn't have a phone with her or it wasn't charged or couldn't get a signal)?

I've edited to add a map showing a 24 hour mcdonalds 18 minutes walk away or 5 minutes by car.

We still don't know if she was thrown out or left on her own accord but yes the Devonshire CAt was closed so maybe she walked there for another reason.

 

[ColourPurple]

Sheffield Wednesday manager Carlos Carvalhal backs appeal to remember Caroline Everest found in river

Sheffield Wednesday manager Carlos Carvalhal has given his support to an online campaign to get Owls fans to remember a fan whose body was found in a river this week.

He re-tweeted an online appeal asking fans to stand and applaud during the 18th minute of Sheffield Wednesday’s next home game - against Derby County - on December 6.

Posting on Facebook, Caroline’s friend, Daniel Armitage, said: “Calling all friends and Sheffield Wednesday fans to commemorate the loss of a close friend and Owls supporter, I would like to ask that all fans stand and applaud on the 18th minute of our next home game against Derby County on December 6 to celebrate the life of Caroline Everest, aged 18 - a life taken too soon.”

He added: “I’ve had a few Derby County fans message me saying they would like to pay their respects. Let’s see if we can get Hillsborough rocking for Caroline.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local...verest-found-in-river-1-7590969#ixzz3sb7Z5l5p

 

[jessie]

Anyone local who understands the tram system in the city?
Had a thought that she/they may have hopped on a tram if they run that late at night - searched google but to no avail.

She was somewhere until spotted on Napier Street, and with clubs closing early morning there had to be other people around the city area at that time, I doubt it was deserted.

Wherever she was, I cannot understand why this bloke left her - was there a reason for that, was she heading to somewhere specific?.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Described as sensible and not a risk taker to me means one of three things

1. She knew the man she was seen with

2. Something was given to her in the club, not just alcohol, that removed her barriers and sence of danger.

3. He was was wearing some kind of uniform, police, security, uni polo shirt. Someone who automatically commands respect from people like carrie.

If number 1, there is no reason to believe that just because she knew him he wasn't a psychopath.

If number 2, I can see 100 ways, some of which seem out there and bizzare, of how she came to be in the Brook. Ranging from thinking she could walk on water to believing, as a dancer she could leap the river. Mind altering drugs are called such for a reason.

For 3, she was attacked and the person of authority realised he could be readily identified by her and cctv would support it and he had to kill her

I think that there have been many cases where victims have been described as sensible, not risk-takers, and the usual comments such as "he/she would never do a or b" etc, and then it has been proven that, despite everything, they did just that. Something nobody would have ever believed that person would do.

I'm not saying for one minute that Caroline did anything out of the ordinary, or wrong - just that I think everyone has probably done something out of character once or twice in their lifetimes. And even the most sensible person is capable of making a bad decision.

I'm not criticising your post at all, just saying that I don't think we should ever rule things out just because a person has previously always been sensible, introvert or cautious. I know I've done things in my younger days that my parents would never believe - and I'd never dare tell them!! And I was always the serious, 'boring' one of the crowd!!

 

[jessie]

Skibs - help please, I can't do maps ! Going to the Harley from Devonshire Cat walking 12 minutes - or a tram? (and it
seems food is served at the Harley till very late/early morning), then an almost direct walk towards Napier Street, or a cab.

I'm stuck on this at the mo, thinking this chap she was with might be living in the Napier St area ? A wild idea, but they go for some food, taxi back to his place, she defers to go in with him and they part company? I've done the google walk but not noticed any cctv. Does it sound plausible or crazy?
I think I need a cup of tea !!!

 

[Elainera]

I agree that it is possible, if not likely, that she had some sort of drug in her system that incapacitated her, but I think it is more likely that a combination of alcohol, extreme emotional trauma, and the severe cold that she faced without a coat or long trousers or warm shoes that night, led to her demise. She was already out and about in near freezing temperatures for about 1-2 hours or so before reaching Napier Rd, right? Imagine that with just a thin, short dress and a cardigan - she was already hypothermic (is that a word?) long before she reached the river. On top of that, if she had alcohol in her system it would accelerate heat loss.

One of the symptoms of hypothermia is confusion. She might not have any reason at all why she went in the direction she did other than being confused.

 

[skibaboo]

Skibs - help please, I can't do maps ! Going to the Harley from Devonshire Cat walking 12 minutes - or a tram? (and it
seems food is served at the Harley till very late/early morning), then an almost direct walk towards Napier Street, or a cab.

I'm stuck on this at the mo, thinking this chap she was with might be living in the Napier St area ? A wild idea, but they go for some food, taxi back to his place, she defers to go in with him and they part company? I've done the google walk but not noticed any cctv. Does it sound plausible or crazy?
I think I need a cup of tea !!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/The+Harley,+Glossop+Road,+Sheffield/Devonshire+Cat+Ltd,+49+Wellington+St,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S1+4HG/@53.3797802,-1.4786824,1557m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4879827893b9cff1:0x2519fe6f6930ddbb!2m2!1d-1.4848267!2d53.3802895!1m5!1m1!1s0x4879827e27b170f3:0x2dbb9fa98bcaddfe!2m2!1d-1.4768343!2d53.3780606!3e2

Doesn't look like it's on a tram route

 

[alreetlike]

I think that there have been many cases where victims have been described as sensible, not risk-takers, and the usual comments such as "he/she would never do a or b" etc, and then it has been proven that, despite everything, they did just that. Something nobody would have ever believed that person would do.

I'm not saying for one minute that Caroline did anything out of the ordinary, or wrong - just that I think everyone has probably done something out of character once or twice in their lifetimes. And even the most sensible person is capable of making a bad decision.

I'm not criticising your post at all, just saying that I don't think we should ever rule things out just because a person has previously always been sensible, introvert or cautious. I know I've done things in my younger days that my parents would never believe - and I'd never dare tell them!! And I was always the serious, 'boring' one of the crowd!!

I agree with your post. I'm fairly certain that I would be described as sensible, boring, someone who doesn't act on impulse, VERY much sticks to a routine etc. but I've certainly done things when I'm drunk that would go against all of that. It only takes one moment of impairment or a poor decision to end up as a case on here.

 

[NatalieLouiseXx]

I agree, even the most sensible of people make bad decisions at some point in their life.


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[Magneto]

I agree that it is possible, if not likely, that she had some sort of drug in her system that incapacitated her, but I think it is more likely that a combination of alcohol, extreme emotional trauma, and the severe cold that she faced without a coat or long trousers or warm shoes that night, led to her demise. She was already out and about in near freezing temperatures for about 1-2 hours or so before reaching Napier Rd, right? Imagine that with just a thin, short dress and a cardigan - she was already hypothermic (is that a word?) long before she reached the river. On top of that, if she had alcohol in her system it would accelerate heat loss.

One of the symptoms of hypothermia is confusion. She might not have any reason at all why she went in the direction she did other than being confused.

Could be that if she not go anywhere like another flat or vehicle then she would have been in the cold a long time if she was say drugged when she was at the club how long would it be before that drug wears off?? Just curious ��

 

[Magneto]

I agree, even the most sensible of people make bad decisions at some point in their life.


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agreed we all capable of making a few bad decisions especially with alcohol involved ��

 

[MilkHoney]

Anyone local who understands the tram system in the city?
Had a thought that she/they may have hopped on a tram if they run that late at night - searched google but to no avail.

She was somewhere until spotted on Napier Street, and with clubs closing early morning there had to be other people around the city area at that time, I doubt it was deserted.

Wherever she was, I cannot understand why this bloke left her - was there a reason for that, was she heading to somewhere specific?.

The Sheffield Supertram runs from around 5am to midnight, so it would not be running at the time that she left the club. There is a taxi rank outside it, but 2/3am on a Monday morning I doubt there would be any taxis waiting outside it; you would probably have to pre-book. But yes, I agree, there must have been other people in the area.

 

[Tortoise]

The Sheffield Supertram runs from around 5am to midnight, so it would not be running at the time that she left the club. There is a taxi rank outside it, but 2/3am on a Monday morning I doubt there would be any taxis waiting outside it; you would probably have to pre-book. But yes, I agree, there must have been other people in the area.

It was early hours Sunday morning - Sat night clubbers

 

[annablume]

I agree that it is possible, if not likely, that she had some sort of drug in her system that incapacitated her, but I think it is more likely that a combination of alcohol, extreme emotional trauma, and the severe cold that she faced without a coat or long trousers or warm shoes that night, led to her demise. She was already out and about in near freezing temperatures for about 1-2 hours or so before reaching Napier Rd, right? Imagine that with just a thin, short dress and a cardigan - she was already hypothermic (is that a word?) long before she reached the river. On top of that, if she had alcohol in her system it would accelerate heat loss.

One of the symptoms of hypothermia is confusion. She might not have any reason at all why she went in the direction she did other than being confused.

I forgot about hypothermia and confusion. Don't some people remove thier clothes?

 

[Elainera]

I forgot about hypothermia and confusion. Don't some people remove thier clothes?

Yes that can happen in the last stage of hypothermia.

Hypothermia is a major factor in this case imo.

 

[jon70]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...TARfuN8sp8QE1dvODHXQig&bvm=bv.108194040,d.eWE
Found dead in a creek type stream and suspect arrested for rape and death

 

[jessie]

Quote Originally Posted by MilkHoney
The Sheffield Supertram runs from around 5am to midnight, so it would not be running at the time that she left the club. There is a taxi rank outside it, but 2/3am on a Monday morning I doubt there would be any taxis waiting outside it; you would probably have to pre-book. But yes, I agree, there must have been other people in the area.

It was early hours Sunday morning - Sat night clubbers

I am thinking more of the area Napier Street/Summerfield St. There are buses/trams running at 4 am Sundays according to the
timetables, but nothing direct to Hallam from where she was last seen, appears quicker to walk.
The nearest taxi rank is in the area of Pomora St., but says it stops at 2.30am.
Pointless really trying to work out where she was heading.

 

[Cherwell]

I think that there have been many cases where victims have been described as sensible, not risk-takers, and the usual comments such as "he/she would never do a or b" etc, and then it has been proven that, despite everything, they did just that. Something nobody would have ever believed that person would do.

I'm not saying for one minute that Caroline did anything out of the ordinary, or wrong - just that I think everyone has probably done something out of character once or twice in their lifetimes. And even the most sensible person is capable of making a bad decision.

Yes, this is exactly what people said about Karen Buckley, yet she inexplicably left a club on her own and got into a car with a man who would kill her.

I forgot about hypothermia and confusion. Don't some people remove thier clothes?

Yes, apparently as hypothermia progresses people stop feeling cold but feel too hot.

 

[MilkHoney]

It was early hours Sunday morning - Sat night clubbers

Ah okay, thanks for correcting me!

 

[Elainera]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...TARfuN8sp8QE1dvODHXQig&bvm=bv.108194040,d.eWE
Found dead in a creek type stream and suspect arrested for rape and death

He was arrested only for suspected rape, and wasn't he released today? The article seems to not have been updated.