UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #1

[Robin Hood]

From Germany, I think it's simpler than that, Imo, she was asked to return to her blonde looks because the new boyfriend preferred her blond.

Re Maddy and the constant looking for her, maybe there's still money to be had from the fund, paid interviews etc and a 'good parent' would be like Ben Needham's mother, always looking for answers, never giving up.

I wonder if it's possible to have it confirmed if the hair dye is in situ or placed by the Police for photographing.
I get the impression it must have been out like the photograph, otherwise why mention it? She might have had shoe polish in a cupboard but it doesn't mean she cleaned her shoes that day. Jmo.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

From Germany, I think it's simpler than that, Imo, she was asked to return to her blond looks because the new boyfriend preferred her blond.

Re Maddy and the constant looking for her, maybe there's still money to be had from the fund, paid interviews etc and a 'good parent' would be like Ben Needham's mother, always looking for answers, never giving up.

I wonder if it's possible to have it confirmed if the hair dye is in situ or placed by the Police for photographing.
I get the impression it must have been out like the photograph, otherwise why mention it? She might have had shoe polish in a cupboard but it doesn't mean she cleaned her shoes that day. Jmo.

Has anybody mentioned a used towel, perhaps with fresh stains of the last hair dye, perhaps still a bit wet on the 20th? Without one or two towels no consummate hair dying, I would say.
Moreover: disappearing means disappearing - blonde or brunett or emerald green.

 

[edgedweller]

I think the fact that the bowl still had dye in it, means it had been used recently (not nec by CL).


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[Robin Hood]

Going back for a moment to the man seen walking behind Claudia's. What if he and Claudia had an agreement, if she couldn't let him in she left the back bedroom light off but when she had no visitors, and could let him in, she put the light on. Was he waiting for a signal, the coast was clear?

 

[Quietey]

For the moment I think the hair dye is a red 'hairing' as Dotr puts it.
I also think NYP word their requests for help very cleverly indeed, it's more than an appeal for help, it's to play the psyche of the person they believe is involved with Claudia's murder. I believe they know who is involved but need a few people to come forward and provide the evidence to arrest. I think a few people are holding back through fear and the belief they are 'helping' a friend while doing so. There's going to be some folk that see keeping quiet and not mentioning something is the best course of action especially now and the passage of time.
I think somebody is going to find themselves in big trouble and I'll speculate one of them is a woman.

Well put and I entirely agree - every detail released is significant, as is information that is withheld.

 

[Ellmau]

The McCann thread has been closed so we probably shouldn't try to circumvent that by talking about that case here.

 

[butterflynat]

Oh my goodness! Just playing catchup and if I gave thanks to every thought provoking comment I'd be here all day! I must go to work soon so will simply say a global thank you for getting my mind whirring away.

I had never really seriously considered something happening in the home before now but all this talk of hair dye and appearance makes me wonder. Wasn't CL strapped for cash at the time? Perhaps rather than dying someone else's hair, she asked them to do hers. Pretty much every girl has a friend or aquaintance thay isnt a hairdresser but can 'do hair'.

Perhaps during 'hairdresser chat' the conversation went alarmingly wrong and the 'hairdresser' realised that CL was or had been messing about with their man and the straighteners were used in a moment of madness to inflict a blow. That in itself probably wouldn't cause tragedy but it could have caused an unfortunate fall.

In panic and desperation 'the hairdresser' could have called upon their male in common to help cover up rationalising that if it wasn't for him it wouldn't have happened.

I feel guilty writing things like this, poor girl is not some story or best guess competition. I hope if her loved ones ever read such theories they know we think these things over because none deserves to disappear and not be properly and decently laid to rest by their family.

 

[suzyjackson]

I'm under the assumption the hair dye was found exactly as the photograph shows, in situ, on the toilet lid. That indicates to me it was one of the last things Claudia did before leaving the house. She obviously didn't use the toilet before leaving as she would have moved the dye.
But that isn't why the hair dye is important.

I can't see her leaving the dye like that - she seemed incredibly tidy going by the photos of her house. Also, if she had to leave for work at 5am, would she really bother to dye her hair in the morning? If she did it before bed, then it wouldn't be on the loo seat. I think the police have laid it out like that.
I think it might be a false lead, possibly by the people/person that took/hurt Claudia. To make the police think that she was blonde when she left the house.
Also, did they check the drains? For freshly dyed hair strands? When I dye my hair, quite a lot of it goes down the drain when I rinse the dye off!


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That's a really good point.

No one gets up and goes to work without using the loo, either the photo isn't exactly as it was found (maybe laid out there to show everything), she didn't spend anytime there after the hair dying or there is a 2nd loo.

For me I'm leaning towards Claudia not having been there overnight

 

[Alyce]

I can't see her leaving the dye like that - she seemed incredibly tidy going by the photos of her house. Also, if she had to leave for work at 5am, would she really bother to dye her hair in the morning? If she did it before bed, then it wouldn't be on the loo seat. I think the police have laid it out like that.
I think it might be a false lead, possibly by the people/person that took/hurt Claudia. To make the police think that she was blonde when she left the house.
Also, did they check the drains? For freshly dyed hair strands? When I dye my hair, quite a lot of it goes down the drain when I rinse the dye off!
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That's a really good point.
No one gets up and goes to work without using the loo, either the photo isn't exactly as it was found (maybe laid out there to show everything), she didn't spend anytime there after the hair dying or there is a 2nd loo.
For me I'm leaning towards Claudia not having been there overnight[/QUOTE]



Alyce comment from here....
Could it possibly be that Claudia did her hair after her call to her mother......... I know she was texting until 8.30pm but she could have been texting while waiting for the dye to *take*.
Then when her hair is done, sometime between 8.30 and 9pm, someone calls at the house or she needs to nip out to see someone.
So the dye is left out, as she plans to be back and tidy up before bed. Only she never comes back.

Or I suppose she could have done it before her phone calls, again intending to tidy up before bed, but she then * pops out* and never returns.

 

[suzyjackson]

That's a really good point.
No one gets up and goes to work without using the loo, either the photo isn't exactly as it was found (maybe laid out there to show everything), she didn't spend anytime there after the hair dying or there is a 2nd loo.
For me I'm leaning towards Claudia not having been there overnight

Alyce comment from here....
Could it possibly be that Claudia did her hair after her call to her mother......... I know she was texting until 8.30pm but she could have been texting while waiting for the dye to *take*.
Then when her hair is done, sometime between 8.30 and 9pm, someone calls at the house or she needs to nip out to see someone.
So the dye is left out, as she plans to be back and tidy up before bed. Only she never comes back.

Or I suppose she could have done it before her phone calls, again intending to tidy up before bed, but she then * pops out* and never returns.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'd say that's definitely a possibility. I'm assuming phone records show no calls around that time so someone coming to the door would explain things.

Or, if she was doing someone else's hair they might have gone out for a drink afterwards and she didn't return.

Although realistically the police wouldn't think she had been there in the morning before work if they dye etc was left on the loo seat. Maybe it was just laid out for the photo

 

[Pipsqueak]

Hi, this is my 1st post so bear with lol
I have been reading all the different theories with great interest. I don't usually post (I do enough typing at work) but I can't help wondering the significance of the breakfast pots IIRC left draining on the side of sink. I am assuming this to mean a bowl, spoon and mug perhaps or small side plate. These could have been from a snack before bed? Not necessarily breakfast (not sure if someone has already pointed this out) Or what if she had some soup for tea...washed up , left the pots to drain and then went upstairs and applied hair dye, covered head with something (I cover mine with a towel and sometimes cling film wrapped around head) then sat down for 30 mins or so and made her phone calls. I have done this many times instead of sitting there twiddling thumbs waiting for the dye to develop. After her calls and TV maybe there was a knock at the back door and she went to answer it before she had rinsed her hair.....she knew the person and either popped out or let them in.....then something happened to her....that evening.
Just a thought.
The other thing is.....she could have gone to bed and somebody she knew (past boyfriend, current lover, group of men, stalker etc) could have let themselves in with a key, or gained entry while she was sleeping??? Just a thought.

 

[Robin Hood]

Where do folk here stand their bottles and stuff when they dye their hair? I have in the past used the toilet seat lid to save knocking them off the sink. Maybe I'm alone in that habit.

 

[Pipsqueak]

Where do folk here stand their bottles and stuff when they dye their hair? I have in the past used the toilet seat lid to save knocking them off the sink. Maybe I'm alone in that habit.

When I dye my hair I always stand my bottles either on the toilet seat lid or on the window sill. I also ALWAYS use gloves as I don't want to dye my hands :blushing:

 

[Robin Hood]

I'm not sure I can see NYP taking crime scene pics of the bottles then re staging the bottles for another pic for the website. I'll stand to be corrected.

Edited to add, when the crime scene pics were taken the Police had no reason to believe it wouldn't be solved, they couldn't know they would be needed for the NYP website, so, imo they were photographed as found.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/claudia-lawrences-mum-never-forgive-5382022

For months after Claudia vanished police used a picture of her with the wrong hair colour.

Joan said: “Forensics on Claudia’s house weren’t carried out for six weeks – what was destroyed in that time?”



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...g-Claudia-Lawrence-with-the-WRONG-hair-colour

Her mother Joan has persuaded friends, family and businesses to include a new picture of the university chef in every festive card they send.

In it Claudia, who disappeared five years ago, sports the natural brown hair she had when she vanished and which her mum says she had most of her adult life.

In the image police released of her daughter she was blonde.

It has since been beamed round the world in the hope someone will recognise her.

But Joan, 71, said she had never seen Claudia with fair hair or the photo until police released it.

She has successfully fought to have the image replaced on missing person websites.

Now she hopes her Christmas campaign will present her daughter’s true likeness to the world.

 

[Pipsqueak]

Just thinking back to the Jo Yeates murder. She was going about her routine, cooking pizza etc when she had a knock at the door and it was her neighbour. She let him in...he made advances which she refused and we know the rest. My point is it all happened so quickly and her body was completely removed from the scene. Could a similar scenario have occurred....Claudia is sitting downstairs with hair wrapped in towel, finishes talking on phone, knock at back door....no witnesses, no noise...could have been a neighbour who has been watching her....makes unwanted advances....she refuses and lets leave the rest to the imagination. Problem is there are so many possible scenarios....I hope there is some progression in the case for her family's sake

 

[butterflynat]

I'd be worried about staining the loo seat with the little tubes of colour, I always put them on the ceramic, non porous surfaces.

If they WERE found exactly as she is meant to have left them (which I am not convinced of as pictures of the developer tray show the loo seat with a clear edge in the background) this makes me believe even more either she was dying someone else's hair or they were dying hers. They're not just laid out organised, they're 'displayed' IYKWIM?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm not sure I can see NYP taking crime scene pics of the bottles then re staging the bottles for another pic for the website. I'll stand to be corrected.

Edited to add, when the crime scene pics were taken the Police had no reason to believe it wouldn't be solved, they couldn't know they would be needed for the NYP website, so, imo they were photographed as found.

Unfortunately, that seems logic! Otherwise I would say, nobody would put the hairdye on a WC-seat without a towel or plastic sheet below because hairdye is dying forever, also a seat or something else.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Going back for a moment to the man seen walking behind Claudia's. What if he and Claudia had an agreement, if she couldn't let him in she left the back bedroom light off but when she had no visitors, and could let him in, she put the light on. Was he waiting for a signal, the coast was clear?

Problem: In the evening he seemingly wanted only to get the bag and in the morning there was no time to visit somebody, if this person - Claudia - had to be at her work place at 6h.

 

[Pipsqueak]

I'd be worried about staining the loo seat with the little tubes of colour, I always put them on the ceramic, non porous surfaces.

If they WERE found exactly as she is meant to have left them (which I am not convinced of as pictures of the developer tray show the loo seat with a clear edge in the background) this makes me believe even more either she was dying someone else's hair or they were dying hers. They're not just laid out organised, they're 'displayed' IYKWIM?

I have zoomed in on the toilet seat lid, and very small brown specks are visible on the right hand side, which look to me like hair dye??? Could this have happened during application??