UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

[suzyjackson]

Maybe the reward has already been collected. Make it look as if nobody has come forward would save the person from going into hiding or witness protection. Would not surprise me at all in this case.

It could be but I hope no one else comes up with any information this week or there might be no money left.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I gather it's been confirmed that whichever bin went to landfill is NOT the same bin that was collected at 4:20 and went to B Mills.

So they are looking for a body.
:sad:

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I gather it's been confirmed that whichever bin went to landfill is NOT the same bin that was collected at 4:20 and went to B Mills.

So they are looking for a body.
:sad:

TMI warning.

I've been pondering why there would appear to have been no forensic trace of Corrie in this new general waste bin that went to landfill, and can only assume that it was a bin from either Greggs or the Thonton's cafe. Bins from either would involve organic materials subject to biological decay. If from Greggs in particular, it seems likely that he was surrounded by meat products gently going off prior to collection and masking any post-mortem smells from him and therefore confusing the cadaver dogs as well.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

TMI warning.

I've been pondering why there would appear to have been no forensic trace of Corrie in this new general waste bin that went to landfill, and can only assume that it was a bin from either Greggs or the Thonton's cafe. Bins from either would involve organic materials subject to biological decay. If from Greggs in particular, it seems likely that he was surrounded by meat products gently going off prior to collection and masking any post-mortem smells from him and therefore confusing the cadaver dogs as well.

Well, I'm wondering if they did indeed get a cadaver dog hit from one of the bins, even if they couldn't determine specific DNA. That might explain why they've decided to search.

 

[Amonet]

I gather it's been confirmed that whichever bin went to landfill is NOT the same bin that was collected at 4:20 and went to B Mills.

So they are looking for a body.
:sad:

Has this been clarified anywhere?

 

[Amonet]

Wouldn't it be unusual for uncooked meat to go in the bins, though? There is apparently one type of meat that might confuse a dog, but I don't think they are trained on 'cooked' meat, so surely the dog shouldn't alert to meat that's been cooked? A cadaver dog would be useless in a kitchen or around a kitchen bin if that was the case? I'm not really familiar with their capabilities, I'm just trying to logic it out.

Apparently methane gas can be off-putting to cadaver dogs, and a landfill could be quite heavy with methane, though much of that is siphoned off to use for energy production.

 

[jessie]

I've been watching youtube vids of waste transfer stations :facepalm: to try to understand what happens to general waste transfer from bin lorries to articulated lorries to landfill, and they are informative.

I can see a body may be missed during all this, quite possible if wrapped in bin bags or something.
I still cannot grasp why C would end up in a bin from the Horseshoe. If he was put in a bin it surely must be elsewhere? If there was an altercation that ended in his demise the perps would leave him where that happened wouldn't they? Or take him to some of the almost endless country or water areas nearby?

Why would he be put into a bin, it's something I can't get my head round?

eta - just to add I would think that LE have witness statements by now. I doubt (OMOO) this search has come about just after watching CCTV.

 

[penguinface]

Other possible bins are the ones behind McDonalds (could be a reason for wanting the two people in McD's identified, in case they saw something through the side window) and household bins in the residential streets close to Short Brackland.

 

[penguinface]

Why would he be put into a bin, it's something I can't get my head round?

If the idea was to constantly plant the idea that he "climbed in a bin to sleep", it could help create plausible deniability. There have certainly been some curious circumstances surrounding those who are shouting this theory the loudest on social media. .

Also, dumping a body manually in woods or water leaves a trail, whereas they may have been thinking that him being found at landfill makes it difficult to tell in which bin the body started out. If there was a wrapping of binbags, there could be the hope that it could go straight to incinerator.

Interestingly, before this search was announced, some of the prominent proponents of the "slept in a bin" theory were hesvily pushing the AWOL theory last week. A possibility of the body being found could help explain a shift in their chosen theory

 

[easynic150]

Just read them, pretty sure it's not Corrie related if he is still in Gibraltar then, I thought I had read somewhere they was bringing him back for questioning.

Thanks for the links


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I read it as the RPG prevented the MOD taking him back to Britain


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[Ruthbullock]

JMO, but I think the reward closing is to put pressure on anyone who might have information and therefore having a timed deadline at this point seems perfectly logical to me. It also might prevent them having to search landfill if they have another lead to follow. I think the reason for the landfill search now is probably because they need to reopen the closed of section and have placed pressure on the police - we have been accommodating, but you either need to search or not, we cannot keep this area secure indefinitely. Landfill uses sections in rotation to enable decomposing of material and a fairly level field once decomposed, it may be coming up to the period they need to use that section again. With regards dumping bodies at landfill in black bags - there was a case I was very familiar with involving Mitchell Quy- he chopped up his wife and buried unidentifiable parts near his place of work which he took LE too. Her identifiable parts - hands and head were placed in bin bags and he confessed to putting them in the bin- despite searches of the landfill the parts were never found. Cadaver dogs were involved in the search and he identified the bins and date they were dumped. It could still unfortunately lead to no new information.


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[MelmothTheLost]

Wouldn't it be unusual for uncooked meat to go in the bins, though? There is apparently one type of meat that might confuse a dog, but I don't think they are trained on 'cooked' meat, so surely the dog shouldn't alert to meat that's been cooked? A cadaver dog would be useless in a kitchen or around a kitchen bin if that was the case? I'm not really familiar with their capabilities, I'm just trying to logic it out.

Apparently methane gas can be off-putting to cadaver dogs, and a landfill could be quite heavy with methane, though much of that is siphoned off to use for energy production.

I was just thinking that if Corrie ended up on a layer of pies, pasties, sausage rolls etc and then had the same dumped on top of him afterwards, then the smells from the food debris might simply have overwhelmed any products of decomposition, especially if the bin was emptied every day or two.

Of course, one might hope that any unsold food would be donated to the homeless etc rather than thrown out, but with modern regulations and litigiousness that might not happen.

As to why he might not have been seen, I'm guessing that rather than open the lid completely someone dumping waste into the bins might just raise the lid with one hand and throw stuff in with the other without looking in. After all, why would one need to look in the bin and why would one want to if it was a bit smelly?

 

[Justlookingme]

I read it as the RPG prevented the MOD taking him back to Britain


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I also read it as this.

I was meaning in another article, I can't find the link but I thought it stated they were going to bring him back for questioning (this is a comment made after the arrest in Gibraltar)


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[Shiressleuth]

I gather it's been confirmed that whichever bin went to landfill is NOT the same bin that was collected at 4:20 and went to B Mills.

So they are looking for a body.
:sad:

Is this on FC website? I couldn't see it but I did notice the police update says in bold that they are still looking at all other possibilities so what would they be?

 

[Pooks101]

JMO, but I think the reward closing is to put pressure on anyone who might have information and therefore having a timed deadline at this point seems perfectly logical to me. It also might prevent them having to search landfill if they have another lead to follow. I think the reason for the landfill search now is probably because they need to reopen the closed of section and have placed pressure on the police - we have been accommodating, but you either need to search or not, we cannot keep this area secure indefinitely. Landfill uses sections in rotation to enable decomposing of material and a fairly level field once decomposed, it may be coming up to the period they need to use that section again. With regards dumping bodies at landfill in black bags - there was a case I was very familiar with involving Mitchell Quy- he chopped up his wife and buried unidentifiable parts near his place of work which he took LE too. Her identifiable parts - hands and head were placed in bin bags and he confessed to putting them in the bin- despite searches of the landfill the parts were never found. Cadaver dogs were involved in the search and he identified the bins and date they were dumped. It could still unfortunately lead to no new information.


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I watched a tv program about him a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was interesting from the point of view that as the perp he thought he was invincible! I think they made a tv documentary instigated by him, as he was that sure they'd never pin it on him? I know this is quite common with the perps that can't stay away from the case (IH being another one) but there doesn't seem anyone obviously doing this in C's case? That we know of anyway! Even with the reward money.


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[Shiressleuth]

Well, I'm wondering if they did indeed get a cadaver dog hit from one of the bins, even if they couldn't determine specific DNA. That might explain why they've decided to search.

But didn't the TW update say all cadaver and forensic results were negative?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

But didn't the TW update say all cadaver and forensic results were negative?

Oh I dunno, maybe, I'm losing strength with this case and perhaps not following as much as I should....

So... why search now? Tip off? Evidence? Run out of other things to do?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Especially setting the closing date just before the landfill search is going to start, makes perfect sense if you think someone might break cover, they won't get the money if the police find C first

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Oh I dunno, maybe, I'm losing strength with this case and perhaps not following as much as I should....

So... why search now? Tip off? Evidence? Run out of other things to do?

I think it is possibly for the reason Ruth has said-the commercial company cannot afford not to be re-using the space so it's last chance saloon, now or never

Police are still looking at other possibilities so maybe it's not hopeless.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think it is possibly for the reason Ruth has said-the commercial company cannot afford not to be re-using the space so it's last chance saloon, now or never

Police are still looking at other possibilities so maybe it's not hopeless.

And what about the Flex connection? Is that still "on" or has it been debunked?