UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #6

[Kasabel]

You would think they're showing the best images but I've seen many times people say the police had high quality stills of faces they showed to anyone with a potential identification

Yes, people are saying on the fbook page that this is the case. It is completely flummoxing that they haven't been identified or came forward yet......

 

[Dcflag]

Tony commented on this somewhere today/yesterday confirming there were better images and with some explanation I'll try and find his comment.

That would be great, thank you

 

[JamesKing]

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My point is.... and it's a bit "off track" as I don't know the guy (you do I think ? I don't know) was he getting "camp fever".

I have done my tours (and I didn't relish them, believe you me but I did enjoy them as I was doing what I had trained to do) but to be cooked up in a "small town" may not be what he wanted.

He clearly wanted more from life. He left his home town. Signed on the line. And signed up to a good regiment.

3 years in Bury....?

I am trying to think of "every" angle. I know two guys that went AWOL years ago. One is on his third "sign on" in the FFL (2e REP). He's quite high up now (not "high high up... but has a good life).

I'm just throwing it out the

 

[MidsummersDay]

A quick Google Image Search would call duff gen on that one.

...a quick look at the press/police conference suggests Nicola states otherwise.

'Don't believe everything on the internet.'
Isaac Newton
1754

 

[JamesKing]

...a quick look at the press/police conference suggests Nicola states otherwise.

'Don't believe everything on the internet.'
Isaac Newton
1754

I love Newton !

Wasn't it Napoleon that said "never put unleaded in a diesel" ?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Looking at his Instagram page when it was available, he took selfies all the time so he would not need to send a photo featuring his brother as a hook up image as there would be plenty available on his phone of just him.

good point miss. If he just straight texted the photo on to the "friend" then they will have details of recipient. Is 3.08 when he got text photo or when he sent it on to "friend" ?

 

[Kasabel]

Tony commented on this somewhere today/yesterday confirming there were better images and with some explanation I'll try and find his comment.

Did you manage to find it goape? It's a nightmare trying to find previous comments on the fbook page.

 

[goape]

...a quick look at the press/police conference suggests Nicola states otherwise.

'Don't believe everything on the internet.'
Isaac Newton
1754

He very definitely went &#128515;

 

[goape]

That would be great, thank you

Found it, <modsnip>

"
- to clarify about the cctv; all of the footage shown in the pod is from AFTER Corrie went into the Horseshoe.

It is not ALL of the cctv footage available, but highlighted edits - the Investigation team have not shared the better quality, colour images, presumably because they have positively identified everyone captured on those images... presumably.

This is why none of the vehicles appear."

 

[goape]

My point is.... and it's a bit "off track" as I don't know the guy (you do I think ? I don't know) was he getting "camp fever".

I have done my tours (and I didn't relish them, believe you me but I did enjoy them as I was doing what I had trained to do) but to be cooked up in a "small town" may not be what he wanted.

He clearly wanted more from life. He left his home town. Signed on the line. And signed up to a good regiment.

3 years in Bury....?

I am trying to think of "every" angle. I know two guys that went AWOL years ago. One is on his third "sign on" in the FFL (2e REP). He's quite high up now (not "high high up... but has a good life).

I'm just throwing it out the

With the family background he would have researched the regiment options well, I'm guessing all services and chose the regiment even with the knowledge he'd have to listen to five miler of death cracks for his whole career. If you're going to be in the regiment 2Sqn is as exciting as it gets unless you've been in a bit and fancy a stint in Wales. That's not to say he wasn't bored but then you'd go selection or something rather than awol never mind AWOL where you're leaving your whole life behind and putting your family through hell. You know you don't need to do a full lord lucan to go awol.

 

[JamesKing]

With the family background he would have researched the regiment options well, I'm guessing all services and chose the regiment even with the knowledge he'd have to listen to five miler of death cracks for his whole career. If you're going to be in the regiment 2Sqn is as exciting as it gets unless you've been in a bit and fancy a stint in Wales. That's not to say he wasn't bored but then you'd go selection or something rather than awol never mind AWOL where you're leaving your whole life behind and putting your family through hell. You know you don't need to do a full lord lucan to go awol.

Fair point.
But you know selection (with a big S) wouldn't look at a someone with no deployments under the belt.
Doing the Fan Dance is one thing. And Soldiering on is another.
I know lots that "applied" for selection, only to get a refusal before the chance to get RTU'd.

 

[Kasabel]

Found it, <modsnip>

"
- to clarify about the cctv; all of the footage shown in the pod is from AFTER Corrie went into the Horseshoe.

It is not ALL of the cctv footage available, but highlighted edits - the Investigation team have not shared the better quality, colour images, presumably because they have positively identified everyone captured on those images... presumably.

This is why none of the vehicles appear."

Thanks! <modsnip> So by elimination this means that those they are showing in the cctv footage we are seeing have not been identified (or they wouldn't be showing them) and they have no better images of the ones they are showing (or they would be showing them)! I struggle to believe that they don't have images that better show the person who walked out of horseshoe. The only reason I can think that they are withholding them is that they want a positive identification and don't want this individual to get freaked out and go underground. Total speculation on my part of course but I can't think of any better reason. Or any other reason at all for that matter.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Found it, <modsnip>

"
- to clarify about the cctv; all of the footage shown in the pod is from AFTER Corrie went into the Horseshoe.

It is not ALL of the cctv footage available, but highlighted edits - the Investigation team have not shared the better quality, colour images, presumably because they have positively identified everyone captured on those images... presumably.

This is why none of the vehicles appear."

The most interesting word here (twice) is 'Presumably'. I take this means the family are in the dark nearly as much as us.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Completely agree. I don't see why it's so unusual. I get 'selfies' from friends on Snapchat at all hours. It's nearly midnight and I've just received a snapchat video of a friend singing in his car. It will continue all night. I can go to sleep at 11 and wake up at 7 to a Facebook group chat full of photos. People are awake at that time, they send photos. The only time I don't receive photos is through the day when they're all at work! I don't think it's strange at all. It's just how it is these days.

And it has been stated by his family that his brother sent him the photo and he sent it on. Presumably when he woke up, checked his phone and noticed he had received the photo.

The reason it is unusual is because it may be the last ever communication from this young man and is important therefore to know who it went to.

 

[JamesKing]

The most interesting word here (twice) is 'Presumably'. I take this means the family are in the dark nearly as much as us.

A strange thing....

...in French Law they have strict privacy. Everything is "leaked from a source close to the investigation".
The family don't need this however. The other Law is that the family can view the files at anytime they wish

In the UK, they don't do that. The investigation is privileged. There is no need for a "special Law".

So... I don't get "presumably" in Tony's context.
Nicola will be able to see how the investigation is going and ask questions. She will be assigned an officer (in MisPer also) and it's a role she does already.

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[Kasabel]

The most interesting word here (twice) is 'Presumably'. I take this means the family are in the dark nearly as much as us.

Yes, it is definitely a way of saying 'this is what you would expect but I'm not convinced this is what is happening/or I'm using presumably with a heavy dose of sarcasm here and saying it twice so that you don't miss how loaded with sarcasm I'm being'

However, it would make sense that if they have clearer images of the individual(s) they are interested in talking to but have reason to believe that making them public could cause them to go underground before they can be positively identified then this would be a very strong and valid reason for going softly and quietly about getting an ID.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think it was said he took the photo from one app to another as an example of how he wasn't obliterated drunk

How do they know that unless they have details of the recipient app so they must have the recipient details right?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm taking what Tony says at face value and under the assumption he is being straight here. It would go some way to explain things the family have said changing so often if they haven't had info shared or even been given misinformation.

 

[goape]

A strange thing....

...in French Law they have strict privacy. Everything is "leaked from a source close to the investigation".
The family don't need this however. The other Law is that the family can view the files at anytime they wish

In the UK, they don't do that. The investigation is privileged. There is no need for a "special Law".

So... I don't get "presumably" in Tony's context.
Nicola will be able to see how the investigation is going and ask questions. She will be assigned an officer (in MisPer also) and it's a role she does already.

<modsnip>.

Could be as simple as a gap in communication, Nicola said she hadn't had her usual update with the police as she had been too busy at the POD, I think Tony was last messaging from an airport before jumping on a flight which may have been to Asia or somewhere from what he said, on top of that they've probably got brain freeze from moderating that flaming site and then have the exhaustion and worry etc that having a loved one missing for so long would give you.

 

[JamesKing]

Could be as simple as a gap in communication, Nicola said she hadn't had her usual update with the police as she had been too busy at the POD, I think Tony was last messaging from an airport before jumping on a flight which may have been to Asia or somewhere from what he said, on top of that they've probably got brain freeze from moderating that flaming site and then have the exhaustion and worry etc that having a loved one missing for so long would give you.

Agree.
That site is going around in circles.

What's the feeling in BSE. Are there still people out and leafleting ?