UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[TheTruthWillOut]

It worries me that. I'd have thought "that" would be obvious by now.
The frustration for the family must be unbearable.

I know Nicola has been at pains to stress that she is a mother here and not a Police officer but reading that and seeing 6 weeks gone you just know her Police instincts have been screaming

 

[JamesKing]

So is the MoD involved yet I hope? Uncle Tony had said "other agencies" were now being brought in after the meeting they had with Suffolk police (following the public outcry after his criticisms).

If this were in the U.S., the FBI would have been involved very quickly because of the other base attacks nearby. And the FBI would have announced they were involved.

Week One...in the U.S.
In the U.K. ....where are we now ? Week 6 or 7 ? And they are wondering "did he leave in a car" !

 

[MidsummersDay]

In case anyone wasn't aware, Nicola did an interview on local radio this evening. No new information of note (that I picked up on anyway), although she did clear up one thing that's been mentioned on here: the food! The food we see him carrying on the CCTV is indeed two burgers, a kebab and a bag of chips. I know there was speculation as to whether he'd had all that in one go, or whether some of it had been bought/eaten earlier in the evening.

Not the most crucial of facts to clear up, but every little helps!

...Does a mass intake of a large amount of calories so late at night indicate an intention to burn them off during the long walk home perhaps? Interesting!

 

[MidsummersDay]

I have always thought he was waiting for something, initially possibly a woman. However the take away feast - which is a ridiculous amount for one person, unless it's a really bad takeaway, makes me think perhaps he got a takeaway for his mates and was waiting for them to follow. The last family comment I read suggested he left Flex completely of his own accord after bouncers inside gestured he should leave. Was he expecting his mates to follow and got them food as well?

Another good point. Two burgers, chips and a kebab is A HELL of a lot of food to go to bed on. Could it have actually been several portions (ie for more than one person?). If he's 'walking with purpose' towards the Hughes doorway at 0115 does this suggest he has a portion for the lads or someone else he's meeting?

1 person = kebab (Corrie)
1 person = burger
1 person = burger
1 X chips (to be shared between three?)

 

[BookCollector]

Is there clarification on the seemingly unsavory house that's near where Corrie disappeared (he mentioned it in his podcast)?

From the wording he used, I assumed it was a half-way house for ex-cons, or some king of small organization for people with mental instability or the homeless.

I've seen speculation elsewhere on here that it was a knocking shop, but it might not be there anymore?

Any idea as to what Uncle Tony was talking about?

 

[BookCollector]

Sorry, I meant the house/people that Uncle Tony mentioned in his podcast.

 

[Amonet]

So is the MoD involved yet I hope? Uncle Tony had said "other agencies" were now being brought in after the meeting they had with Suffolk police (following the public outcry after his criticisms).

If this were in the U.S., the FBI would have been involved very quickly because of the other base attacks nearby. And the FBI would have announced they were involved.

We don't really have an equivalent to the FBI though do we?

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Another good point. Two burgers, chips and a kebab is A HELL of a lot of food to go to bed on. Could it have actually been several portions (ie for more than one person?). If he's 'walking with purpose' towards the Hughes doorway at 0115 does this suggest he has a portion for the lads or someone else he's meeting?

1 person = kebab (Corrie)
1 person = burger
1 person = burger
1 X chips (to be shared between three?)

His mum said that that was a completely normal serving of food for him after he's been out drinking.

 

[JamesKing]

His mum said that that was a completely normal serving of food for him after he's been out drinking.

One of the things I keep hearing in this investigation is "that's quite normal for our Corrie". Anyone hearing this ?

A kebab, two burgers, and chips.... yeah, that's him alright, he likes his food.
A kip in the doorway....aye, he's always doing that.
A walk 10 miles home on a Friday....yup, he does that (since retracted).
Drunk enough to be asked to leave a club.....aye, he likes a drink does Corrie

Clearly, this isn't right.
And these comments, whilst I have paraphrased them here, have been said at some point or another by the family. Yet, when you honestly think about it, non of this behaviour is normal. And believe you me, I know some "abnormal" people and have been on "abnormal Friday nights out", but there is no "rhyme or reason" for any other the things we see him doing.

I understand "why" the "Facebook Group" is there. I understand that it is an effective tool for getting out to the public the fact that Corrie is missing and remains missing and as such it may unearth information which possibly would not be found by "traditional methods"....and as such, the police nor the family need not say anything else about what may or may not have gone on.... but seriously, some of the things are simply bizarre !

The fact is...is this "bizarre behaviour" relevant to the fact he has gone missing and (lets face it) is probably dead.

Was he waiting in the door way ?
Because he was physically "there" for two hours, it is suggested he was waiting.
It is suggested that he refused a lift from the USAF serviceman.
Maybe this "over zealous food order" also suggests he knew he was in for a "two hour wait".

If so, what was he waiting for ?
To answer this, maybe we look at what he has done on previous Friday Nights Out....
....and guess what, we don't really have a clue !

If you take the statements thus far presented, then "this is" a normal Friday night out. So, does he always go off somewhere at 3.30am on every average night out ?

 

[c4nd1_83]

One of the things I keep hearing in this investigation is "that's quite normal for our Corrie". Anyone hearing this ?

A kebab, two burgers, and chips.... yeah, that's him alright, he likes his food.
A kip in the doorway....aye, he's always doing that.
A walk 10 miles home on a Friday....yup, he does that (since retracted).
Drunk enough to be asked to leave a club.....aye, he likes a drink does Corrie

Clearly, this isn't right.
And these comments, whilst I have paraphrased them here, have been said at some point or another by the family. Yet, when you honestly think about it, non of this behaviour is normal. And believe you me, I know some "abnormal" people and have been on "abnormal Friday nights out", but there is no "rhyme or reason" for any other the things we see him doing.

I understand "why" the "Facebook Group" is there. I understand that it is an effective tool for getting out to the public the fact that Corrie is missing and remains missing and as such it may unearth information which possibly would not be found by "traditional methods"....and as such, the police nor the family need not say anything else about what may or may not have gone on.... but seriously, some of the things are simply bizarre !

The fact is...is this "bizarre behaviour" relevant to the fact he has gone missing and (lets face it) is probably dead.

Was he waiting in the door way ?
Because he was physically "there" for two hours, it is suggested he was waiting.
It is suggested that he refused a lift from the USAF serviceman.
Maybe this "over zealous food order" also suggests he knew he was in for a "two hour wait".

If so, what was he waiting for ?
To answer this, maybe we look at what he has done on previous Friday Nights Out....
....and guess what, we don't really have a clue !

If you take the statements thus far presented, then "this is" a normal Friday night out. So, does he always go off somewhere at 3.30am on every average night out ?

Good points well made... Agreed.


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[c4nd1_83]

He was differently waiting for someone.

His friends to leave the club so he could go back with them?

A girl? Booty call maybe?

These are the only 2 possibles I can think of.

Also if he ate that much food, maybe he needed a wee and a poo! Just saying! We are all human and I know if I ate that much food, I would need to go soon after. He could have tried to find somewhere to go that was well out of site and something happened then.

Really need to think of all possible scenarios here.


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[MidsummersDay]

I'm really convinced now that he had a pre arranged meeting...at a pre arranged time. Of course we are all entitled to form our own opinions based on the facts presented. But this one falls easily on my conscience. Think about it the chain of events and NOT just where he is now. It'll give you a possible insight into his intentions...

Missed his lift into town,
Has to drive himself into town and leave his nice car,
Ejected from the nightclub,
Very large late night meal,
Walking with purpose in the opposite direction from his car AND friends AND taxis,
Waiting in a darkened vehicle turnaround/loading bay,

Think of the chain. Remember my previous post sometime ago. I think we're nearly there (hopefully?).

 

[MidsummersDay]

He was differently waiting for someone.

His friends to leave the club so he could go back with them?

A girl? Booty call maybe?

These are the only 2 possibles I can think of.

I genuinely can't see (even if it was arranged through a phone app like Tndr) a girl or woman of Corries age (23?) walking down a darkened unlit pedestrian zone into an even darker loading bay to meet a stranger near some bins.

I reckon if this was the case, he was meeting someone who new the area and thus the hazards or risk potential, or a man or men (eg work mates etc?)

 

[JamesKing]

The other thing which is unusual (to add to my notes above) is the terminology that is used.

The question arises "Did Corrie willingly or unwillingly, leave Bury in a car".

Now thinking about this, if the possibility is posed that he may have left Bury in a car "willingly", then it has to follow, based on assumptions from his behaviour, that if he left "willingly" he would have had to be "waiting for two hours".

For example, if he left Flex at 1.00am and was offered a lift home, then that would follow "he left willingly". But as an offer of a lift home, usually comes with an unwritten time-scale ("I'm leaving in a minute, I'll give you a lift back"), then to suggested that "he could have left willingly....two hours later" is almost absurd.

Infact, the suggestion that "he could have left willingly" implies that "there is a possibility that he was offered a lift home at 3.30am" or that "he had a pre-arranged meeting at 3.30am".

I would further argue that, he wasn't going home. That opportunity appears to have been presented to him and refused by him earlier in the evening.

If the possibility that he could have left Bury willingly, then it holds that 1. A meeting of some description had been pre-arranged, possibly for 3.30am and 2. This pre-arranged meeting would have meant he would not be heading back to RAF Honington inanimately.

If that is a "50/50" chance (did he leave "willingly" or "unwillingly"), then addressing the "willingly" part, it may mean that he (along with his phone) were taken to Barton Mills area...and that something happened in Barton Mills area at approx 4.20am which caused his phone to be shut down.

Note.... that doesn't mean that Corrie is now there. It may just mean that he did go there.

 

[JamesKing]

I genuinely can't see (even if it was arranged through a phone app like Tndr) a girl or woman of Corries age (23?) walking down a darkened unlit pedestrian zone into an even darker loading bay to meet a stranger near some bins.

I reckon if this was the case, he was meeting someone who new the area and thus the hazards or risk potential, or a man or men (eg work mates etc?)

But you're suggesting that something happened in Short Brackland. There is an opportunity that, that isn't the case.
He could walk out of that area "unseen" by the CCTV camera looking onto that area very easily.

1. It can only "see" 120 foot from it's location. It could not even see the silver cars registration plate.
2. It is on a timed sweep.

Corrie "being unseen by CCTV", merely means "the CCTV camera could not see Corrie".
There's a huge difference in those two statements.

 

[suzyjackson]

I genuinely can't see (even if it was arranged through a phone app like Tndr) a girl or woman of Corries age (23?) walking down a darkened unlit pedestrian zone into an even darker loading bay to meet a stranger near some bins.

I reckon if this was the case, he was meeting someone who new the area and thus the hazards or risk potential, or a man or men (eg work mates etc?)

Nicola has been quite insistent that Corrie didn't intend to fall asleep, if she's right she must mean that he sat down, finished his food (or didn't and CCTV has given the family the answer to this question) and was so tired he nodded off.

JMO and I know I'm in a minority but I don't see a pre-arranged meeting here at all, the pizza place is open till 3, why would anyone choose to wait outdoors? If he didn't mean to fall asleep what did he plan to do until 3.30am?

 

[suzyjackson]

Another good point. Two burgers, chips and a kebab is A HELL of a lot of food to go to bed on. Could it have actually been several portions (ie for more than one person?). If he's 'walking with purpose' towards the Hughes doorway at 0115 does this suggest he has a portion for the lads or someone else he's meeting?

1 person = kebab (Corrie)
1 person = burger
1 person = burger
1 X chips (to be shared between three?)

Whilst I don't think he bought food for anyone else it would be very helpful to kknow whether the CCTV shows him eating it all

 

[suzyjackson]

The other thing which is unusual (to add to my notes above) is the terminology that is used.

The question arises "Did Corrie willingly or unwillingly, leave Bury in a car".

Now thinking about this, if the possibility is posed that he may have left Bury in a car "willingly", then it has to follow, based on assumptions from his behaviour, that if he left "willingly" he would have had to be "waiting for two hours".

For example, if he left Flex at 1.00am and was offered a lift home, then that would follow "he left willingly". But as an offer of a lift home, usually comes with an unwritten time-scale ("I'm leaving in a minute, I'll give you a lift back"), then to suggested that "he could have left willingly....two hours later" is almost absurd.

Infact, the suggestion that "he could have left willingly" implies that "there is a possibility that he was offered a lift home at 3.30am" or that "he had a pre-arranged meeting at 3.30am".

I would further argue that, he wasn't going home. That opportunity appears to have been presented to him and refused by him earlier in the evening.

If the possibility that he could have left Bury willingly, then it holds that 1. A meeting of some description had been pre-arranged, possibly for 3.30am and 2. This pre-arranged meeting would have meant he would not be heading back to RAF Honington inanimately.

If that is a "50/50" chance (did he leave "willingly" or "unwillingly"), then addressing the "willingly" part, it may mean that he (along with his phone) were taken to Barton Mills area...and that something happened in Barton Mills area at approx 4.20am which caused his phone to be shut down.

Note.... that doesn't mean that Corrie is now there. It may just mean that he did go there.

I think there's another option for leaving willingly in a car that doesn't involve any pre-arrangement.

Corrie found himself stranded, he must have realised his friends would have already left as there's no indication that he tried to contact them. He goes for a pee, bumps into someone who starts a conversation and in the course of it offers Corrie a lift. The family have told us that it would be in his character to take a left from a stranger imo that possibility can't be discounted based on what we know

 

[alreetlike]

On the subject of food, while I agree that is A LOT for one person, sometimes my partner will order extra with the intention of having something for breakfast/lunch the following day (as a hangover cure). E.g. he might get a kebab and chips to eat right then but also a cheese garlic bread to have the next day. Admittedly though, that is when he has ordered something to be delivered, I doubt he would carry that much home from town. But I suppose Corrie could have thought he would eat some of it the next morning, or pass it round friends when he got back to base.

Then again, maybe he was just so drunk he either accidentally ordered double or just thought it would be a good idea. I once had a friend wake up after a heavy night out surrounded by about 10 Greggs steak bakes (may involve a google for those not in the UK), with no knowledge of having done so or why.

 

[suzyjackson]

On the subject of food, while I agree that is A LOT for one person, sometimes my partner will order extra with the intention of having something for breakfast/lunch the following day (as a hangover cure). E.g. he might get a kebab and chips to eat right then but also a cheese garlic bread to have the next day. Admittedly though, that is when he has ordered something to be delivered, I doubt he would carry that much home from town. But I suppose Corrie could have thought he would eat some of it the next morning, or pass it round friends when he got back to base.

Then again, maybe he was just so drunk he either accidentally ordered double or just thought it would be a good idea. I once had a friend wake up after a heavy night out surrounded by about 10 Greggs steak bakes (may involve a google for those not in the UK), with no knowledge of having done so or why.

Maybe the place just serves tiny portions and he worked up an appetite during the evening out