UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

[Amonet]

If the collections on Saturday and Monday were totally different types of collections, one private recycling and the others council general waste, then if the latter went to the Milton landfill I can't see the phone also being there. Which is a bit frustrating because you'd hope that even if Corrie's body isn't in the landfill that the phone might be found with at least the sim card intact, but if the entire search could come up completely empty?

So we just have to wait and see if a body is found in there and then for the coroner's report to give cause of death so that the inquest can have manner of death. After five months of waiting the family has to play this awful waiting game hoping it will finally give them the resolution and answers they need.

 

[Coach]

If a freak accident had occurred when the bin lorry that was there on the Saturday morning was reversing in the dark, is it possible that panic led C to be put in one of the other bins that would be emptied on the Monday (assuming they are right beside the bin collected on the Sat) but the phone left the HS with the lorry on the Saturday?

 

[Colin]

If the collections on Saturday and Monday were totally different types of collections, one private recycling and the others council general waste, then if the latter went to the Milton landfill I can't see the phone also being there. Which is a bit frustrating because you'd hope that even if Corrie's body isn't in the landfill that the phone might be found with at least the sim card intact, but if the entire search could come up completely empty?

So we just have to wait and see if a body is found in there and then for the coroner's report to give cause of death so that the inquest can have manner of death. After five months of waiting the family has to play this awful waiting game hoping it will finally give them the resolution and answers they need.

Surely the sent of a dead body in a bin for over 48hrs would have been picked up by a cadaver dog?

The cadaver dog article posted here about the carpet tile being in the same room as a dead body for 2 mins and then being detected 65 days later would have you think it's near impossible for a body to have been in a bin.

It would make sense for the police to lie about the cadaver dog not picking up a scent, wouldn't it? Especially if they are looking for a killer.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Surely the sent of a dead body in a bin for over 48hrs would have been picked up by a cadaver dog?

The cadaver dog article posted here about the carpet tile being in the same room as a dead body for 2 mins and then being detected 65 days later would have you think it's near impossible for a body to have been in a bin.

It would make sense for the police to lie about the cadaver dog not picking up a scent, wouldn't it? Especially if they are looking for a killer.

I think this may be the article if it is of any help

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...th-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

 

[Amonet]

All we heard, as far as I remember, is that dogs were taken into the horseshoe area, and I think several other places too.

But we didn't get told that there was actually forensics done on any of those bins in the horseshoe during the first search of that area, nor whether the dogs were tracker dogs or cadaver dogs .... the police were working on the theory that Corrie had walked home and had an accident along the route back to Honington, so is it possible they only sent out tracker dogs for that purpose and just checked the corners of the bins for blood but didn't do a full forensic check inside the bins?

I would have thought those forensic checks would have been done later, if they weren't done during the first check, but all we've really heard is from the family, and if there was a positive scent of any kind inside the bins then I would have thought the landfill check would have become the priority far earlier in the enquiry?

 

[FlashyHydra]

Surely the sent of a dead body in a bin for over 48hrs would have been picked up by a cadaver dog?

The cadaver dog article posted here about the carpet tile being in the same room as a dead body for 2 mins and then being detected 65 days later would have you think it's near impossible for a body to have been in a bin.

It would make sense for the police to lie about the cadaver dog not picking up a scent, wouldn't it? Especially if they are looking for a killer.

I agree, so let's hope police have a scent in this case. Who knows, that might solve some other cases as well...:angel:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/...alia-gay-men-killed-suicides-sydney.html?_r=0

 

[Amonet]

If a freak accident had occurred when the bin lorry that was there on the Saturday morning was reversing in the dark, is it possible that panic led C to be put in one of the other bins that would be emptied on the Monday (assuming they are right beside the bin collected on the Sat) but the phone left the HS with the lorry on the Saturday?

A vehicle involved in something like that ought to have some kind of forensic evidence, though? The bin lorry wouldn't be a problem for inside and out forensics as the company would give permission, as would the council if council lorries were checked. From watching US-based TV shows they suggest that an external check of a private vehicle would not require a warrant, but it would have to be a reasonable forensic level and not a simple eyeball check.

I would have also thought that someone being run over would be more likely to leave traces in the horseshoe as well as very strong traces inside any bin where a body was left.

You'd also think one of those passers-by would hear any accident...a loud bump, brakes, someone swearing profusely. If it wasn't a bin lorry, then I can't really see why a driver not associated with the horseshoe can't just drive off as in a hit-and-run. A bin lorry has more potential for being moved into a position to obscure someone getting out and lifting Corrie into a bin....but would that need two people? And why no obvious forensic trace?

I think I would probably err on the side of a fight, maybe not knowing how hurt Corrie was, putting him in the bin, and leaving the area. With the bin being either punishment/humiliation and/or because the perp(s) have some kind of link to the area and want to remove themselves from the area before Corrie climbs out or is discovered.

 

[Blueazman74]

If the collections on Saturday and Monday were totally different types of collections, one private recycling and the others council general waste, then if the latter went to the Milton landfill I can't see the phone also being there. Which is a bit frustrating because you'd hope that even if Corrie's body isn't in the landfill that the phone might be found with at least the sim card intact, but if the entire search could come up completely empty?

So we just have to wait and see if a body is found in there and then for the coroner's report to give cause of death so that the inquest can have manner of death. After five months of waiting the family has to play this awful waiting game hoping it will finally give them the resolution and answers they need.

I don't believe a council collection would end up at Milton. Suffolk promotes that no waste goes to landfill, its recycled or incinerated.

I believe only private collections would end up at Milton. There are a number of Biffa general waste bins in the HS, and would imagine it is two of those.


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[Shiressleuth]

That does make some sense to me but the wording from the press release doesn't indicate that is the case?



That reads to me they will move 8,000 tonnes to then access what they actually want to search through? It does seem like the search area is right in the middle of this landfill making it that much harder and time consuming to do.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

Thats a heck of an area to have to move just for access. Maybe they know that the rubbish closest to the date required is 8 metres down somewhere in that 920 m2? FCC may have that info.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I find it odd that they don't seam to be in any great rush to search the landfill, could they be waiting on forensic results from one of the vehicles before they search the landfill,

I think that is a good assumption. It would make sense to have forensic results from all those vehicles before embarking on what could be a wild goose chase, wouldn't it?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I believe that was the actual weight collected and it was about average for the collections from that bin over a period of time. The timings and route of the bin lorry of course, only loosely correlated with the phone going to BM. I am not sure if the time the BL arrived at BSE has been changed, but I understood it arrived at 4.20am and C's phone left the BSE mast at 4.19am and I assume that a short time after it did that, it was picked up by the BM mast. I think we worked out that he could not have gone in that bin lorry.

The focus now seems to be on a bin lorry that collected on the Monday that went to landfill. If, he was in that bin, then how? why? It was probably smelly and dirty and I really cannot see him, from what we know of him and how we have kind of got to know him a bit, getting in that bin voluntarily. It just does not add up. He is also trained on how to deal with being cold because of his job, so drunk or not, he would know what to do, and I really don't think he would ever get in such a bin.

I still keep to my theory that he went elsewhere.

ETA: From FC site: "We all know that corrie sent a photo via an app at 3.08…… however the FACT as I have now had confirmed by police, is the photo was RECEIVED at 3.08, I do not actually know the exact time it was sent.I have been told by police it was between 01.10 and 04.19 that his phone was on the mast but they do not know when it was sent." BBM

01.10 would loosely co-relate to the time C left Flex so this would make sense. 04.19 is bin lorry time loosely too. So C either walked to mast perimeter for that time to be relevant or got in a vehicle at that time, or his phone did. He must have had his phone when he left Flex or someone else had it who left at a similar time to him.

 

[Officer Dibble]

A vehicle involved in something like that ought to have some kind of forensic evidence, though? The bin lorry wouldn't be a problem for inside and out forensics as the company would give permission, as would the council if council lorries were checked. From watching US-based TV shows they suggest that an external check of a private vehicle would not require a warrant, but it would have to be a reasonable forensic level and not a simple eyeball check.

I would have also thought that someone being run over would be more likely to leave traces in the horseshoe as well as very strong traces inside any bin where a body was left.

You'd also think one of those passers-by would hear any accident...a loud bump, brakes, someone swearing profusely. If it wasn't a bin lorry, then I can't really see why a driver not associated with the horseshoe can't just drive off as in a hit-and-run. A bin lorry has more potential for being moved into a position to obscure someone getting out and lifting Corrie into a bin....but would that need two people? And why no obvious forensic trace?

I think I would probably err on the side of a fight, maybe not knowing how hurt Corrie was, putting him in the bin, and leaving the area. With the bin being either punishment/humiliation and/or because the perp(s) have some kind of link to the area and want to remove themselves from the area before Corrie climbs out or is discovered.

Whatever came of the discovery by NU that a wall was damaged as if knocked into by a big vehicle in the HS? Was it confirmed to be pre C going missing? Anyone know?

 

[Officer Dibble]

I don't think he will be found at landfill and think if anything his mobile was in the bin lorry. I just feel like the scent of his body would have roused suspicion or been noticed if it wasn't until the Monday that the bin was collected. Decaying animals (and I presume humans?) have a very distinctive scent.

I don't think he is there either.

 

[Blueazman74]

01.10 would loosely co-relate to the time C left Flex so this would make sense. 04.19 is bin lorry time loosely too. So C either walked to mast perimeter for that time to be relevant or got in a vehicle at that time, or his phone did. He must have had his phone when he left Flex or someone else had it who left at a similar time to him.

04:19 would be very loose, as that is when it left the mast, we don't believe the bin lorry left the HS until 04:24, that would then have to reach the perimeter of the mast.


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[Shiressleuth]

04:19 would be very loose, as that is when it left the mast, we don't believe the bin lorry left the HS until 04:24, that would then have to reach the perimeter of the mast.


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I don't think there is an official source for the time the bin lorry actually left. It is reported he saw teens behind Cornhill in SB (is SB one way?) at 04.20 but we don't know if that was when he was arriving or leaving. I believe it was when he was leaving that he saw them. The phone leaving the mast at 04.19 is probably the closest estimate of the bin lorry leaving that we are likely to get IMO. It would only take a vehicle about 5 minutes or so to get to mast perimeter.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Well I am still finding it very hard to consider that Corrie got in a bin or that he was put in a bin because the Bins in question really are not that big. I still don't think someone would have spent time hiding him as picking him up and lifting him would have been quite difficult I would have thought, plus the risk of being caught by any number of passers by. I just don't think someone would take the risk. I keep coming back to he got in a car or left the HS via one of the buildings what would have happened after that is anyone's guess

 

[Shiressleuth]

Whatever came of the discovery by NU that a wall was damaged as if knocked into by a big vehicle in the HS? Was it confirmed to be pre C going missing? Anyone know?

I'm pretty sure it was sleuthed on here first and the wall damage was not apparent on google street view at that time. The poster might remember when that was.

 

[Reallyodd]

I'm pretty sure it was sleuthed on here first and the wall damage was not apparent on google street view at that time. The poster might remember when that was.

Google streetview for the HS area is a year out of date, it being 2015, and not updated in Sep 2016 like the rest of BSE seems to have been.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

I'm pretty sure it was sleuthed on here first and the wall damage was not apparent on google street view at that time. The poster might remember when that was.

Google street view in the Horseshoe was dated Oct 2015 where as Google Street View in Brentgoval Street was dated September 2016. If that helps.

 

[Colin]

We have three of these bin types made by a company called Taylor. One for recycling and two for non food, general waste. When your putting waste in the bins you always see inside as you generally hold the lid open with one hand and throw your waste in with the other. Ours are against a wall and the lids don't stay open. If I have a lot of waste, I need to move the bin away from the wall to allow the lid to stay open. The bins have the triangular lock type but it's never used, there must be a catch inside the bin to bypass the locking mechanism.

If a body dressed in white jeans and a pink shirt was in one of my bins uncovered, I know I would see it.