UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

[OneofMany]

I don't know if C will be found in the landfill but I am positive that he left the HS area inside a bin, dead or unconscious, and that he got inside that bin by himself

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I don't know if C will be found in the landfill but I am positive that he left the HS area inside a bin, dead or unconscious, and that he got inside that bin by himself

I agree except the last part. I'm still undecided about that. What I can't get my head around is how he would then be missed by bin man/landfill staff.

 

[OneofMany]

I agree except the last part. I'm still undecided about that. What I can't get my head around is how he would then be missed by bin man/landfill staff.

Just do a quick search "man dies inside a garbage bin" there are a lot of examples of drunk people doing this, you will be amazed. I think it's fairly possible that C died like this, he did a lot of drinking that night. It seems irrational if you think about it but drunk people don't think straight, and someone who sleeps 2 hrs exposed on the street may get into a state of mild to moderate hypothermia, confused enough to sleep or hide himself in a confined space.

 

[Shiressleuth]

3 people thought he got into a bin to keep warm/sleep
22 thought he was put there by a third party.

Whoa thats interesting 88% think a third party is involved.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I don't know if C will be found in the landfill but I am positive that he left the HS area inside a bin, dead or unconscious, and that he got inside that bin by himself

So let's say he did climb in himself (which personally I doubt for the reasons that he'd just had a sleep, and he was a smart young man who cared about his appearance, I doubt he'd do that to his favourite white jeans!). How does that tie in with his phone being in a different bin?

Also, you would think someone would see him in a bin unless he'd been covered up. And on top of that, if he had been in a bin, dead, all weekend, the cadaver dogs should have picked up a scent.

Waaaaah! It's all so confusing! If he's NOT found in the landfill I guess that means he has to have left by one of the four vehicles, so we're kind of in limbo now.

 

[Redgoblin]

I agree except the last part. I'm still undecided about that. What I can't get my head around is how he would then be missed by bin man/landfill staff.

16% are, apparently according to the stats on the Biffa site, not a huge percentage but still within the realms of possibility.

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[Scorpio1]

I can't decide at the moment on him being found at the landfill, in a way I hope that he is as if they don't find him at the landfill I don't think he will be found, at least not for a very long time,

 

[kyliebee]

The only thing I'll say as I only live 15 minutes from BSE, it was not cold in September not even at 3/4am we had a horrid few weeks of weather where no covers all clothing was needed at night time and the other nights were really mild . He may have lowered temperature due to the alcohol but it wasn't freezing at all not by a long long way. Also greggs lock there food bins to stop homeless picking through them around here. No idea about the other bins though.

 

[OneofMany]

"So let's say he did climb in himself (which personally I doubt for the reasons that he'd just had a sleep, and he was a smart young man who cared about his appearance, I doubt he'd do that to his favourite white jeans!). How does that tie in with his phone being in a different bin? "

I tried to provide an explanation for this: He used the screen light of his phone to check the inside of one bin and it fell off his hand. This bin was filled with recyclabe garbage and emptied in the landfill that day. He being a smart young man, he being military or not does not apply if he is way too drunk to think rationally. He slept 2 hrs on the street, that's not smart: that's someone drunk enough to not care for his own safety. He then picked a different bin, maybe one that was empty. He then died in there, asphyxia, (he got stuck?) or a heart attack. Happens to young people. This bin was emptied on monday morning before he was reported missing. His body ended up in the landfill or incinerated.


"Also, you would think someone would see him in a bin unless he'd been covered up. And on top of that, if he had been in a bin, dead, all weekend, the cadaver dogs should have picked up a scent."

Check other cases of people diyng like this. In most cases the bin lorry driver does not notices that someone is inside the bin. In most cases, their bodies are found later. Also I don't think the police did an extensive search of the bins because they were at the time working with the kidnaping theory and triyng to identify people in the cctv footage.

edit: messed up trying to quote

 

[penguinface]

Agreex on the temperature. Others who live elsewhere have responded eith a link to a weather website showing it was 9 degrees. That makes it sound fsirly chilly nit thst night really wasn't.

We were out in a nearby town for a special occasion that night amd none of us had coats on even though we were outside until pretty late. Most of us were in short sleeves. The fact that we specifically remember it being warm (I had to open eindow and put fan on to sleep) means it certainly can't have been incredibly cold twenty-ish miles away.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

16% are, apparently according to the stats on the Biffa site, not a huge percentage but still within the realms of possibility.

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Sure, as slight as it is, it is still possible but the bigger issue for me is still being missed by the binman and landfill staff. There are supposed to be multiple safety procedures that make it highly unlikely this could happen. I'm not sure I made the comment here before but it sadly is looking like a series of unfortunate events happened here.

 

[kyliebee]

Totally agree. I remember the weather in September so well as we had new kittens so couldn't open any Windows or doors and melted in side.

 

[Scorpio1]

"So let's say he did climb in himself (which personally I doubt for the reasons that he'd just had a sleep, and he was a smart young man who cared about his appearance, I doubt he'd do that to his favourite white jeans!). How does that tie in with his phone being in a different bin? "

I tried to provide an explanation for this: He used the screen light of his phone to check the inside of one bin and it fell off his hand. This bin was filled with recyclabe garbage and emptied in the landfill that day. He being a smart young man, he being military or not does not apply if he is way too drunk to think rationally. He sleep 2 hrs on the street, that's not smart: that's someone drunk enough to not care for his safety. He then picked a different bin, maybe one that was empty. He then died in there, asphyxia, (he got stuck?) or a heart attack. Happens to young people. This bin was emptied on monday morning before he was reported missing. His body ended up in the landfill or incinerated.


"Also, you would think someone would see him in a bin unless he'd been covered up. And on top of that, if he had been in a bin, dead, all weekend, the cadaver dogs should have picked up a scent."

Check other cases of people diyng like this. In most cases the bin lorry driver does not notices that someone is inside the bin. In most cases, their bodies are found later. Also I don't think the police did an extensive search of the bins because they were at the time working with the kidnaping theory and triyng to identify people in the cctv footage.

edit: messed up trying to quote

i still can't see how it would be possible , we know he wasn't in the recycling bin and the other bins were not emptied until the Monday, so how could he have slept in a bin then ended up in the bin lorry it's not possible ,

 

[Shiressleuth]

Please could you vote for me Cagney? Not in landfill and don't want him to be found in landfill.
I think the simple explanation of being met in a vehicle or walked out evading cams is what happened. Too many things against the two bin theory imo. Cheers for that.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Please could you vote for me Cagney? Not in landfill and don't want him to be found in landfill.
I think the simple explanation of being met in a vehicle or walked out evading cams is what happened. Too many things against the two bin theory imo. Cheers for that.

I am now at the stage where I believe he couldn't have evaded the cameras - it's the ONE thing everyone (ie both sides of family , MIS, and police) agree on. I also think if he'd had an accident on the way home he'd have been found by now, though I suppose drowning is still an option.

It leaves either the bin, in which case I'd go with foul play, or a vehicle. I don't understand why all the vehicles haven't been cleared, you'd think an innocent driver would be happy to have his/her car searched.... so if that hasn't happened, why not?

 

[Hexenb]

My guess is he died inside a bin. Asphixia, heart attack, pre existant condition, who knows. I think he was freezing because of sleeping 2hrs exposed in the streets in a cold night, drunk and confused. I belive this because it has happened in the past several times. He used his phone to check the inside of one bin and it fell off his hand. He then picked another bin to sleep in and died in there. The bin with his body in it was emptied on monday, maybe in the same landfill as his phone, or maybe it's contents were incinerated.

I would have thought if he was choosing a bin to sleep in it would have been the recycling one rather than the smelly other sort of waste bin and if reports that the recycling bin had no problems with the weight I can't buy into that theory jmo.

 

[Tucker]

The only thing I'll say as I only live 15 minutes from BSE, it was not cold in September not even at 3/4am we had a horrid few weeks of weather where no covers all clothing was needed at night time and the other nights were really mild . He may have lowered temperature due to the alcohol but it wasn't freezing at all not by a long long way. Also greggs lock there food bins to stop homeless picking through them around here. No idea about the other bins though.

I think someone mentioned it was 9 degrees C, which is certainly cold by warm September day standards.

 

[OneofMany]

I would have thought if he was choosing a bin to sleep in it would have been the recycling one rather than the smelly other sort of waste bin and if reports that the recycling bin had no problems with the weight I can't buy into that theory jmo.

I've checked different footage from the HS area and it seems there are many bins in there. Maybe one of those bins was empty or clean to an extent and were at the time a good, confined space, for someone in a delusional state of mind who spent 2 hrs sleeping exposed on the streets. I think many people underestimate how drunk he is in the cctv footage, and how many stupid decisions a drunk man can make, even if he is young, smart and a memeber of the RAF.

Pics of the hs area I took from another thread:

I know my theory has many holes but I think it fits, and explains why he "lost" his phone, ended up in a diffferent bin, and didn't leave the HS area. It also does not involve foul play (which at this point seems highly unlikelly) or a conspiracy, just an accident, silly, but drunk people have died like this in the past.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I am now at the stage where I believe he couldn't have evaded the cameras - it's the ONE thing everyone (ie both sides of family , MIS, and police) agree on. I also think if he'd had an accident on the way home he'd have been found by now, though I suppose drowning is still an option.

It leaves either the bin, in which case I'd go with foul play, or a vehicle. I don't understand why all the vehicles haven't been cleared, you'd think an innocent driver would be happy to have his/her car searched.... so if that hasn't happened, why not?

We have seen no footage from several cams which is why I still think it is possible. Just look at the pics of legs n lurker to see how great the cctv is. I am also unconvinced he did not enter a building either so the bins are not the only way. Still too many other possibles like sleeping in a Hs or SB building and leaving with the market crowds.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

ITV News reporting that one of the areas searched today was because of a tip off that 3 (still unidentified) men had been looking for a phone there.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-02-19/third-public-search-for-missing-corrie-mckeague/

Nicola says there's a "good possibility" Corrie is at the landfill site.