UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #19

[Taskforce88]

I would say it's not accurate. They said they were looking at a lot of options and all options were on the table (including third party).

They were accused of saying that they'd ruled out a third party. There was a TV interview where they said they didn't say that.

But Nicola and UT seem convinced of it anyway and nothing has seemed to change their minds over it, because I think UT included this allegation in one of his updates well after the police response to it.

Has this been one of the more high-profile cases with a lot of social media activity by the family? Has it helped I wonder?

Why turn down free help from seasoned detectives?

 

[Shiressleuth]

They also confirmed 11KG after (supposed) checked and then confirmed - to now backtrack, they know nothing other than HS and they made a error investigating what Biffa and the waste site said and publically admitted they missed it at the time, they further admitted in their statement it took more than once or twice or more to miss that in the investigation. Did they take the word of the workers with no data evidence or did they miss the data evidence - either way it is horrendously poor investigation skills (or lack of).

When someone is interviewed then a statement is usually prepared and signed. It would not just have been one person. SP have presumably by re interviewing and eventually doing it under caution with one person and by arrest of another, got to the truth. For police to get search warrants they have to do the leg work, to enable them to get evidence. They finally have this one piece of evidence to convince themselves and the family he is in the landfill. For me it is dubious evidence just by the fact that if one error could be made then so could others. Still, it is just enough evidence to justify the search IMO, but the SP had to arrest someone to eventually get this evidence-it does not sound to me like the info was voluntarily provided by Biffa. One wonders what else is being hidden. I think the criticism of SP is not therefore warranted at present and the family and others should let them get on with the job. It no longer looks like an abduction or murder IMO so the time and effort expended so far has been more than appropriate. After the search concludes, the council needs to seriously review their waste policies and the military need to review their practices also, as this could have easily been an abduction, when all said and done.

 

[Taskforce88]

Any links to the 4 minute man CCTV image?

 

[Miss_French]

For those saying C could have gone back to the car to sleep, but it's not good for a serviceman to be charged for drink driving, it's not a career stopper by any means, and not if you have an otherwise decent disciplinary record in the RAF.

An RAF officer will accompany the airman to court and explain the impact of losing a licence on the airman's career and in my experience the courts have been understanding. I've seen an RAF driver with points on his licence be found guilty of 3 driving offences from 1 accident and keep his licence. In C's case, he needs to drive. There is a big thing at Honington about driver training in the RAF Regiment as they need to be mobile, everything from land rovers to quad bikes and trucks.

Not to say the RAF will support every offender and further internal action was taken by the RAF after court...

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Has this been one of the more high-profile cases with a lot of social media activity by the family? Has it helped I wonder?

Why turn down free help from seasoned detectives?

No its not the only Missing Person case with High Profile MSM and SM input. Has it helped? I suppose that would depend on which set of parents you asked. One set have handled it completely differently to the other set. JMO

Then again SM and the Internet is 10 years older and wiser.

 

[Taskforce88]

No its not the only Missing Person case with High Profile MSM and SM input. Has it helped? I suppose that would depend on which set of parents you asked. One set have handled it completely differently to the other set. JMO

Well his father has kept a 'low' profile. The mother and father obviously want him found but the mum and brothers are more 'active' via SM and general media.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Any links to the 4 minute man CCTV image?

Go to family website cctv section. I think it was 8 Dec. 03.26 image IIRC.

 

[Taskforce88]

Go to family website cctv section. I think it was 8 Dec. 03.26 image IIRC.

Will do, thank you

 

[Aye]

I read C mobile was Nokia Lumia 435, now network data 'triangulates' but a Lumia can trace like a iPhone & Android via GPS & data connection its last ping/s if this service was active, it is hidden away in the Microsoft login/email used with a Lumia in "Microsoft Account" - given the 'triangulation' of mobile network, surely SP have got into his "Microsoft Account" to verify if further GPS data is available. I did not see it mentioned other than roughly - but GPS & data logs with Microsoft servers: account.microsoft.com/devices then Find My Phone - I think its default is on unless user switches off.

His Microsoft password is all you need (gf might know?) or reset it with security questions.


I only mention this as it is not well known Windows brought this to newer Windows devices in the last few years (Windows Phone 7 onwards)

 

[Belleville]

Wasn't it said that the material in the bin went to an incinerator. I believe it did. And they said that would mean that if he was in the bin the incinerator doesn't get hot enough to burn through bone. So Corrie would have been spotted.

Now its all changed as the waste went to landfill instead.

Lots of misinformation provided clearly by Biffa on their own disposal processes. It beggars belief that the company didnt get their crap together (excuse the pun) and get a team in the go through everything they had recorded and get in their best knowledgeable employees to get the correct info for the police. Shocking.

And now an employee has decanted Corrie into a bin lorry. Are these guys not trained to check bins prior to processing them. I thought Biffa had a big overhaul of this with all its employees a few years ago.

Someone is accountable for what happened. If C got into the bin by choice, ok. But a fail to not check the bin before decanting it is just plain stupid in my eyes based on H&S these Biffa Drivers go through. Shameful.


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http://www.biffa.co.uk/wp-content/u...nk_CIWM_Biffa-Research-Report-Final_Feb14.pdf

 

[Amonet]

Has this been one of the more high-profile cases with a lot of social media activity by the family? Has it helped I wonder?

Why turn down free help from seasoned detectives?

I don't follow a lot of cases, but I would say on the social media side I've never seen a phenomenon like it? I know a lot of families do start up FB pages for missing people nowadays, but this one seemed to take off and just keep snowballing in size and activity.

The family have expertise, and know more people with more expertise, which is not normally present, and they've used it to their advantage in an amazing way.

I think it helped to get people identified who were on CCTV. I could say "what's the point of people sharing stories about this to friends/relatives all over the world" but the flipside of that is that people in BSE and the surrounding areas probably got more drawn into this case because there were people all over the country and even in other countries who were following it.

The media likes social media things that are getting a big following, so having a big social media footprint definitely helps attract the media to talk about the case more than they otherwise would. The thing is that with missing person cases you don't normally need national and international TV and headlines to find out what happened. I read that most missing people are found within 40 miles of the place they went missing from. So it's the local headlines and coverage that's needed, but I think that's hard to get these days...people either no longer get free local papers or they don't buy the local paper, or even the national papers. I don't buy papers or watch TV. I think the family have done an amazing job.

The other thing is that this national 'following' of the case by so many people who have been making so much noise and writing letters etc, it got Corrie mentioned in parliament. That's down to Corrie being an active serviceman, but that status helped to draw a lot of people into the case in the first place even if they weren't local to BSE. And getting MPs saying to the effect of this case is deserving of an almost blank cheque must surely be helpful for SP when faced with an approximately half a million pound bill for the landfill search alone.

Why did they turn down help from the detectives 'organisation'. I don't think Nicola has mentioned her reasons publicly and she's the only one who knows. She ended up saying that she'd decided to go with Forbes' team instead of hiring private detectives because she felt at that point that the police were doing a good job and that Forbes' team had a better chance of contributing novel information to the investigation that the police couldn't do themselves and that most PI's would not be able to do.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Has this been one of the more high-profile cases with a lot of social media activity by the family? Has it helped I wonder?

Why turn down free help from seasoned detectives?

Has it helped? The squeaky hinge gets the oil.

<modsnip>

JMO

 

[Aye]

I would also if I was N be taken legal action to secure another police force to investigate C mobile if found. It could hold vital clues, <modsnip>

 

[Taskforce88]

I don't follow a lot of cases, but I would say on the social media side I've never seen a phenomenon like it? I know a lot of families do start up FB pages for missing people nowadays, but this one seemed to take off and just keep snowballing in size and activity.

The family have expertise, and know more people with more expertise, which is not normally present, and they've used it to their advantage in an amazing way.

I think it helped to get people identified who were on CCTV. I could say "what's the point of people sharing stories about this to friends/relatives all over the world" but the flipside of that is that people in BSE and the surrounding areas probably got more drawn into this case because there were people all over the country and even in other countries who were following it.

The media likes social media things that are getting a big following, so having a big social media footprint definitely helps attract the media to talk about the case more than they otherwise would. The thing is that with missing person cases you don't normally need national and international TV and headlines to find out what happened. I read that most missing people are found within 40 miles of the place they went missing from. So it's the local headlines and coverage that's needed, but I think that's hard to get these days...people either no longer get free local papers or they don't buy the local paper, or even the national papers. I don't buy papers or watch TV. I think the family have done an amazing job.

The other thing is that this national 'following' of the case by so many people who have been making so much noise and writing letters etc, it got Corrie mentioned in parliament. That's down to Corrie being an active serviceman, but that status helped to draw a lot of people into the case in the first place even if they weren't local to BSE. And getting MPs saying to the effect of this case is deserving of an almost blank cheque must surely be helpful for SP when faced with an approximately half a million pound bill for the landfill search alone.

Why did they turn down help from the detectives 'organisation'. I don't think Nicola has mentioned her reasons publicly and she's the only one who knows. She ended up saying that she'd decided to go with Forbes' team instead of hiring private detectives because she felt at that point that the police were doing a good job and that Forbes' team had a better chance of contributing novel information to the investigation that the police couldn't do themselves and that most PI's would not be able to do.

Good points.

You don't buy papers or watch TV? lol i'm glad i'm not the only one then

 

[Shiressleuth]

I read C mobile was Nokia Lumia 435, now network data 'triangulates' but a Lumia can trace like a iPhone & Android via GPS & data connection its last ping/s if this service was active, it is hidden away in the Microsoft login/email used with a Lumia in "Microsoft Account" - given the 'triangulation' of mobile network, surely SP have got into his "Microsoft Account" to verify if further GPS data is available. I did not see it mentioned other than roughly - but GPS & data logs with Microsoft servers: account.microsoft.com/devices then Find My Phone - I think its default is on unless user switches off.

His Microsoft password is all you need (gf might know?) or reset it with security questions.


I only mention this as it is not well known Windows brought this to newer Windows devices in the last few years (Windows Phone 7 onwards)

As N paid for C's phone (it was her old one apparently ) she would have this info and so SP should have it/know it too. I think this was discussed previously on the threads here.

If this was known ( the GPS location) why hasn't the phone been found? Or is this why they know the phone (and therefore C too?) is in Milton landfill and they have known all along because of this GPS thing? That has to be how they know for sure doesn't it?

 

[Reallyodd]

Good points.

You don't buy papers or watch TV? lol i'm glad i'm not the only one then

We'll have to form a club, as I don't buy papers or watch tv either.

 

[Aye]

When someone is interviewed then a statement is usually prepared and signed. It would not just have been one person. SP have presumably by re interviewing and eventually doing it under caution with one person and by arrest of another, got to the truth. For police to get search warrants they have to do the leg work, to enable them to get evidence. They finally have this one piece of evidence to convince themselves and the family he is in the landfill. For me it is dubious evidence just by the fact that if one error could be made then so could others. Still, it is just enough evidence to justify the search IMO, but the SP had to arrest someone to eventually get this evidence-it does not sound to me like the info was voluntarily provided by Biffa. One wonders what else is being hidden. I think the criticism of SP is not therefore warranted at present and the family and others should let them get on with the job. It no longer looks like an abduction or murder IMO so the time and effort expended so far has been more than appropriate. After the search concludes, the council needs to seriously review their waste policies and the military need to review their practices also, as this could have easily been an abduction, when all said and done.

<modsnip>
If info from Biffa/recycle/landfill companies was not forthcoming or doubtful accurate why court action enforcing the data was taken ?

Interviewing people under caution/arrest can have the reverse effect of info forthcoming - was the data correct/doctored - <modsnip>

As for kidnap/abduction no, but the error of SP it is now possible remains will not show assault/murder of a weapon on even any bones given animals etc, there will be lack of evidence to persue did C get in the bin or was he put there, SP may have a murderer/serial murder or serviceman/gay focused murderer walking about and because of many failures and thus time it will/may never be known. That is not good investigation practice, its failure of many multitudes.

 

[Reallyodd]

As N paid for C's phone (it was her old one apparently ) she would have this info and so SP should have it/know it too. I think this was discussed previously on the threads here.

If this was known ( the GPS location) why hasn't the phone been found? Or is this why they know the phone (and therefore C too?) is in Milton landfill and they have known all along because of this GPS thing? That has to be how they know for sure doesn't it?

N was asked in Q&A if the phone had GPS turned on and the answer was no.

 

[Aye]

We'll have to form a club, as I don't buy papers or watch tv either.

Well I don't pay a TV licence nor buy papers, this club better be free membership! LOL

 

[Taskforce88]

We'll have to form a club, as I don't buy papers or watch tv either.

hmmm, the common sense club?