UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[TheTruthWillOut]

There's no source given in that post, and the waste transfer station is at Red Lodge. The landfill site is at Milton.

There has been a lot of contradictory information regarding the movements of the bin lorry and the status of various waste sites.
However I think that the fact that they searched the Red Lodge site implies that it was open and that the bin lorry did go there.

There really has been confusion for sure. It would really help if the Police gave more info it really would.

I think quite recently a bit more info (from Police I believe?) came out saying that the bin lorry made more pickups in BSE town centre after the horseshoe pickup and also did pickups (after or before Mildenhall Sainsbury's pickup?) in Ely, Soham and Newmarket before going to Red Lodge? This is a big reason why the phone ping info released (as vague as they are!) make even less sense now.

More disclosure is sorely needed IMO as little of fact can be deduced with the lack of solid detailed information to go on....

 

[Miss_French]

It's not impossible he walked further up that road but since he was very familiar with the area I can't see any reason for him to overshoot the turn-off for RAF Honington at that time of the morning. If he walked home at all he would have been wanting his bed and to check on his pup.

The turnoff for RAF Honington is clearly signposted off the A134, and there are some distinctive glint buildings at the junction too; an obvious landmark after miles of fields beside the roads.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Assuming Corrie is never found, is anyone else wondering about the conversation that will have to take place sometime in the future when Corrie's daughter wants to know why she hasn't got a daddy?

Unlike the pre-digital days all the reports and media aren't going to end up as chip wrappers and the details of the disappearance forgotten within a few years. This is going to follow the kid for life unless she ends up changing her identity.

 

[Bedouin]

I think the landfill theory has been a huge problem for SP, my gut feeling is that it has been a barrier to them being granted warrants to search and question.
I think there was too many people in the area for no one to have seen anything, and it’s likely that more than one person person is involved, I think that’s why the reward has been increased now. To encourage someone to break their silence or say something that casts doubt into someone else’s alibi.

 

[jessie]

Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
It's not impossible he walked further up that road but since he was very familiar with the area I can't see any reason for him to overshoot the turn-off for RAF Honington at that time of the morning. If he walked home at all he would have been wanting his bed and to check on his pup.

The turnoff for RAF Honington is clearly signposted off the A134, and there are some distinctive glint buildings at the junction too; an obvious landmark after miles of fields beside the roads.

Think I have messed up my attempt at "multiple quote" here, trying to respond to two posts together !

I take on board both comments on the improbability of C walking home and being lost in woodland/lakes considering the local landscape. Very sad, as I was hopeful that scenario would possibly have made his loss much easier to come to terms with, but of course, only IMOO.

Much deeper investigation into the bin lorry and the confusion of it's weight, the additional pick ups after The Horseshoe and also whether the phone pings themselves contribute to what happened to Corrie surely must be a priority now for SP.
I read in MSM today that there have been many phone calls since the new reward was offered - let's hope money talks.

 

[gregjrichards]

Assuming Corrie is never found, is anyone else wondering about the conversation that will have to take place sometime in the future when Corrie's daughter wants to know why she hasn't got a daddy?

Unlike the pre-digital days all the reports and media aren't going to end up as chip wrappers and the details of the disappearance forgotten within a few years. This is going to follow the kid for life unless she ends up changing her identity.

It is going to affect his daughter for life particularly when she gets married and has her own children. I’m sure the family are going to keep his memory alive and she knows as much about her dad as possible.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I agree, Jessie. Much more disclosure (especially in this digital age!) is a must now. They themselves have said it is not a criminal investigation so no reason to hold anything back.

I would like to throw out there a couple of images to see if anything can garnered from them. Two things stick out straight away for me: 1, the Sun image shows what looks like a route that goes A14 west > Coalpit Lane which leads to Barton Mills eventually. An odd route for bin lorry to take and wonder where the Sun got that route info from? 2, All the phone masts in the area is huge so why only a micromast on a roundabout mentioned by Police so far? If the phone was in the bin lorry (or any other vehicle) then is must have pinged other masts surely?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

It is going to affect his daughter for life particularly when she gets married and has her own children. I’m sure the family are going to keep his memory alive and she knows as much about her dad as possible.

No doubt, but I was really thinking of the details of his disappearance and elements of his lifestyle, notwithstanding that he was a member of HM armed forces. The fact that dad got steaming drunk, might have gone to sleep in a bin and might have ended up in a rubbish dump is not going to be easy for a kid to take in compared to dad got steaming drunk, tried to walk home and was hit by a car on a dark road.

 

[FlashyHydra]

Not until the police have finished pursuing all the remaining leads they have at present. It sounds as though there are other things they can look into which see to have been on the back burner during the landfill search.

I suspect this is never going to be solved but is going to end up as one of the great mystery disappearances that people on the WWW equivalent in 2067 will be still talking about endlessly.

That's right. And perhaps due to that fact Corrie's case will some day be solved. People want to discuss and the truth will come out. So back to basics... Corrie was heading to RAF Honington, but last phone signal is near RAF Mildenhall. It's just the opposite direction, a coincidence? This case reminds me of Brandon Swanson's in Marshall USA. He also disappered under similar circumstances in rural area and the case is open...

 

[Amonet]

I guess we can only wit to see if news comes out of what police tell the family. I really don't understand all the landfill stuff. It seems to be implied that the two zones searched are the only possibilities and that the rest is contaminated and not searchable? But at what point did the other zones become labeled contaminated...could a truck have put rubbish in them when Corrie went missing? So are LE going to simply say that while Corrie is definitely not in the two searched landfill zones that he could be in another part and they can't search to find out for sure?

Or are they going to go back to the original night and examine possibilities for Corrie getting out of the horseshoe unseen and making it to another location? I still feel the landfill is the best explanation to fit the knowns and the unknowns. LE seem to have done a thorough job of searching the cameras around the horseshoe to see if Corrie did manage to walk out. They've checked the traffic to look for vehicles near the horseshoe. They questioned as many people as they could as to Corrie's movements that night, and then the pedestrian movements through the horseshoe area and no one had seen Corrie after he turned that corner even though there were people walking past.

I think we still have a question mark over Corrie's motivations after leaving the club, getting takeaway. His car was still in BSE. I think he appeared too worse for wear to go out partying, but we don't know for sure whether he had arranged to sleep on a friend's sofa in BSE that night or whether he was just winging the night away. It does make some sense that at that point he just wanted somewhere sheltered to sleep a few more hours until morning and drive home in his own car. If C was going to head off to a friend's for the night, why not amble over there when he woke up in the doorway? Yet he seems to have hung around for a further 20 minutes before going into the horseshoe, which makes me doubt that there was a plan for the rest of the night and he'd just ended up separated from his mates and at a loss for what to do next.

 

[Shiressleuth]

So he is hiding somewhere watching all the grief his friends and family are going through?

Where is he hiding? whats he using for money? how is he getting money? how did he manage to evade all the CCTV around the country? who is hiding him?

Most of the current and retired senior detectives ruled out AWOL from the start.

Do you believe the hour long phone call with his brother was part of this?

Has the family ever discussed knowing what plans C had for that weekend? I remember them talking about the following weekend when D was planning to come up and visit but surely they discussed what C was going to do for that weekend didn't they?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thank you for remembering, I think a few on here have a few doubts about my memory lol.

so if the Red Lodge site is on a closed landfill, where is the old landfill you’re referring to please?

It is there at Red Lodge. A planning application was refused due to the landfill causing possible contamination issues. There's a lot of info and past controversy over it in MSM articles when you Google it.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I still think he is in the landfill, there have been several inconsistencies in the info given relating to the bin collection on that night, I think the search area will be another of those and he will be in some other part of the waste disposal sites 😢 we were all completely convinced he could not have been in the bin lorry until that was proved wrong 🤔

I don't believe it. The only evidence is the weight and we know Biffa are not too good on accurately recording it. The doubt about the phone actually pinging from inside the back of the lorry has also convinced me he wasn't in it plus the fact absolutely no forensic evidence was found in the truck. I think he ( or his phone) travelled in another vehicle entirely. :cow:

Police and family have also said they're satisfied he's not in landfill.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I don't believe it. The only evidence is the weight and we know Biffa are not too good on accurately recording it. The doubt about the phone actually pinging from inside the back of the lorry has also convinced me he wasn't in it plus the fact absolutely no forensic evidence was found in the truck. I think he ( or his phone) travelled in another vehicle entirely. :cow:

Police and family have also said they're satisfied he's not in landfill.

BBM

Not sure about the Police there Shires. They have said:

Police are content Corrie is not in the landfill areas which have now been searched.

And

As previously stated, the nature of waste disposal and its movement is not an exact science.

Having their cake and eat it too springs to mind, frankly.

Just the no trace evidence of Corrie in the back of the bin lorry alone would be enough for my common sense to tell me that ~ 4-6 more crushing actions (4-6 more pick ups) and multiple hours (04:20-08:00 minimum) in the back would definitely leave evidence.

All other evidence the SP have revealed to the public has been pretty circumstantial and not really enough to justify their words and actions IMO. Maybe they are holding stuff back for reasons but until they are
prepared to do something to move the case on this is going in the direction of another McCann case time wise.

 

[j-bar03]

Can anyone advise if the two separate possible sightings by Roy Hawes and Adam Billiald have been definitively ruled out. According to Adam Billiald's twitter post - he supplied car reg details but no one got back to him.

 

[Shiressleuth]

BBM

Not sure about the Police there Shires. They have said:



And



Having their cake and eat it too springs to mind, frankly.

Just the no trace evidence of Corrie in the back of the bin lorry alone would be enough for my common sense to tell me that ~ 4-6 more crushing actions (4-6 more pick ups) and multiple hours (04:20-08:00 minimum) in the back would definitely leave evidence.

All other evidence the SP have revealed to the public has been pretty circumstantial and not really enough to justify their words and actions IMO. Maybe they are holding stuff back for reasons but until they are
prepared to do something to move the case on this is going in the direction of another McCann case time wise.

There is that caveat limiting it to the area searched but they secured that area early in the investgation so its unreasonable to expect an assurance for the whole site given the large area it serves. The family are satisfied. I have been reading the pre landfill search threads ( 18 and prior ) and am reminded of the "3 men in a group" statement and the knife found later in the HS.
Who is this Adam guy and what sighting was that?

 

[j-bar03]

Who is this Adam guy and what sighting was that?

Adam Billiald reported a conversation he had with a taxi driver which he thought might be relevant - it was not followed up.
https://twitter.com/AdamBilliald/status/888414022957191168

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

There is that caveat limiting it to the area searched but they secured that area early in the investgation so its unreasonable to expect an assurance for the whole site given the large area it serves. The family are satisfied. I have been reading the pre landfill search threads ( 18 and prior ) and am reminded of the "3 men in a group" statement and the knife found later in the HS.
Who is this Adam guy and what sighting was that?

Maybe but I ain't convinced. Just the fact the targeted part cell search areas total c10,000 tonnes when the whole facility is said to only accept 96,000 tonnes a year doesn't square for me.

As for the three men in a group and knife 'find' it is pretty tenuous is it not?

This is the problem with SP being so cagey and seemingly being secretive. It leads to more conspiracy and speculation.........which I'm sure they could do without but is inevitable when such a path is taken.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Adam Billiald reported a conversation he had with a taxi driver which he thought might be relevant - it was not followed up.
https://twitter.com/AdamBilliald/status/888414022957191168

Let's hope it gets followed up now. That looks pretty genuine and could cofirm the lorry driver's story. TY for posting that.

 

[jessie]

Adam Billiald reported a conversation he had with a taxi driver which he thought might be relevant - it was not followed up.
https://twitter.com/AdamBilliald/status/888414022957191168

Thanks for that link you posted, interesting. Don't remember hearing of this before.

Not a first hand sighting though, seems hearsay from a taxi driver?

If this Adam gave the police the taxi's reg. surely the police would have spoken directly to the taxi driver?

All rather strange, I would like to know how many other sightings were reported as C must have been quite distinctive in the clothes he was wearing and how easily are such reports dismissed in favour of other lines of enquiry?