UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #23

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  • #281
Lots of people walk out their lives and resurface years later and often have only been living a few miles away but seem to escape detection. Outside of Bury St Edmunds hardly anyone would have even heard of the case or even if they had probably wouldn't know what Corrie looked like now the posters are gone etc.
I'm about 90% sure the lad I see in Clapham could have been him but so many young lads look similar.

I think if it was that easy to disappear into a new life, a lot more people would do it. Why would anyone who committed a crime ever be caught, if they could just walk out of their life and happily start over somewhere else?

He'd had to have purchased or stolen a fake identity, changed his appearance and established his new identity, including drivers license, health care, bank account, etc, found a way to earn a living, and abandoned his savings, friends, family, dog, career, social media accounts and familiar haunts. All while being the subject of a massive, nationally publicized, police manhunt.

It would have to be based entirely on secrecy and lies, and getting into big trouble when you're eventually caught. I don't think this guy had it in him to do it, nor did he have any particular motive such as escaping from legal charges, or insurance fraud.
 
  • #282
Well he's got a point, hasn't he? Did his phones ping at the same spot and same sort of time as Corrie's?

Yes he does have a good point. They should already have the tower dump info and could even find the phone data on that. We have also brought this up before regarding the bin man's phone (if he had one that is).

Instead, N wants SP to go on another wild goose chase in the LF looking for a debit card. Why doesn't she want this lead chased down, at least to discount it once and for all?

:cow:
 
  • #283
The first police "pod" was set up at Barton Mills roundabout. The family pulled the investigation back to Bury and the "horseshoe".

Why do that when the phone clearly made it to Barton Mills?

Because they wanted to identify people around the HS area at the same time as C to find out how the phone got to BM and maybe what happened to C if he was seen.
 
  • #284
Instead, N wants SP to go on another wild goose chase in the LF looking for a debit card. Why doesn't she want this lead chased down, at least to discount it once and for all?

I think it's very hard for Nicola to face the facts, that Corrie wanted to have sex with men. So, I think she really doesn't want to focus on that part of Corrie's life, the dogging with strangers and so on. She likes to believe Corrie is gone for other reasons...imo.
I mean it's usually always hardest for a mother to face the hard reality of son's gaylife.
 
  • #285
Hello, I haven't posted for a long while. I've been catching up over the weekend though. Around the time we found out about the drag queen coming to light and Corrie having previously spent time with this person elsewhere in the country (forget where now), we all had a vote and only myself and one other person thought Corrie was AWOL. I said at the time that I thought he had 'run away to the circus' and hoped he was having fun. With regards to more recent things being discussed/coming to light, I still believe he is AWOL. Just my opinion, but I'l tell you why I've come to this conclusion: He'd had all types of jobs and couldn't settle in one career, until he settled into the RAF. His family would have been quite rightly proud of him and relieved he had finally settled into a career. I believe from his fun, lively character, sociability and not being able to stick at jobs for long that he possibly was an ADHD type personality and focusing/sticking to one job or career would have been hard for him. Obviously I don't know this, I just have come to this conclusion. I think he loved being the entertainer, the joker and sounds a lovely lad but one who didn't want to let his family down by jacking in the RAF, especially as they'd probably told him they had been relieved he had finally settled down. I think with all the threesome's and swinging going on and hanging out with the drag queen he found some fun times, which given the rigidity of army rules was a complete contrast. I don't think small-town nightclubs were his thing. He just went along, but preferred bigger more exciting nights out. If its true he knew a baby was a possibility with a girl he was just swinging with, he may well have been fearful of being made to settle down. I think that combined with wanting to change jobs, go have fun with lively people in bigger places, meant he'd been deliberating what to do for a while. However, I don't think he planned to go AWOL that weekend. I think it was a spur of the moment decision. I think he went to a couple's house for the rest of the evening for drinks (or more) and stayed there the weekend. That couple would be fearful to come forward in case they were implicated even if they were innnocent. I think he decided on Sunday he was not going back to the RAF, he didn't want to upset his family by jacking another job in and he went on the run. Possibly with help from others, or being the character he is, by chatting to others he met along the way. We've never been told what the long conversation was with his brother. Was it a long goodbye without the brother knowing (ie he sort of thought he might disappear that weekend) or did the Brother know a few things but didn't want to upset his family, so never told them, or was told by the family not to divulge them? Who knows? I think he is out there somewhere, possibly under another name. I think the media storm blew up bigger than he could of imagined and it was too late to come back. One thing I have to query though, is recently someone in my family was talking to me about the lad who went to the media from 'up North' who claimed tablets made him Gay. They said to me that there is still stigma up North, especially in small communities to someone coming out as Gay. I've no idea as I'm down South, but if that is so, could it be the same in a small community in Scotland? Could he have recently decided he was after all Gay and not Bi but couldn't come out and declare it so? Just my thoughts and own opinions.

Ive thought from the start he went AWOL. I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying because his life style just doesn't sit right with his career choice. His mother was happy he was in the RAF and quite rightly she was proud of him, thinking he had settled down.

Quite what the brother knows is anyone's guess but I feel he does know more than what he's told family, not wanting to cause upset. However, this whole case has blown up much bigger than expected and for some reason N wants to concentrate on the HS area. There's nothing there to be found, JMO but I feel that BM / Mildenhall is the area that was key at the time. Shame that LE didn't spend time checking on the bread delivery mans sighting.
 
  • #286
I think it's very hard for Nicola to face the facts, that Corrie wanted to have sex with men. So, I think she really doesn't want to focus on that part of Corrie's life, the dogging with strangers and so on. She likes to believe Corrie is gone for other reasons...imo.
I mean it's usually always hardest for a mother to face the hard reality of son's gaylife.

JMO but I'm certain that is the case with N. That is likely why she was deleting stuff from his SM accounts, hiding his 'other' life style.

As a mum I think I'd find it hard initially accepting that one of my sons enjoyed sex with men. How long it would take me to accept that fact, I just don't know. I do know that I wouldn't want the world at large to know.
 
  • #287
JMO but I'm certain that is the case with N. That is likely why she was deleting stuff from his SM accounts, hiding his 'other' life style.

As a mum I think I'd find it hard initially accepting that one of my sons enjoyed sex with men. How long it would take me to accept that fact, I just don't know. I do know that I wouldn't want the world at large to know.

It certainly could explain the hanging on to the LF theory and deleted SM profiles IMO.
 
  • #288
Because they wanted to identify people around the HS area at the same time as C to find out how the phone got to BM and maybe what happened to C if he was seen.

But if there was a sighting at BM and the phone at BM too, (even though times may not be completely exact but within a half hour or so) why wouldn't you want it looked at further? That's the closest and only sighting in BM.
 
  • #289
Another thing about this bread delivery driver sighting as well it’s clearly not a half hearted “may have been, may not have been” sighting, he is clearly convinced that it was him. The fact he’s gone on and put these comments and put it out there in the press leads me to believe he’s confident it was him, the time scales, the clothing, the area etc. It’s mind boggling why this has been dismissed.
 
  • #290
Shire, PaulSimon

There are too many questions marks over this alleged sighting; what's been said by SP, the details of the clothing had already been published, and if he was so concerned, why the delay in making a report? Plus, IMO, if someone is compos enough to balance on one foot whilst adjusting their jeans, why would they run in front of a vehicle and not wait to cross?

'But Suffolk Police said today that they had located Mr Hawes report, which was not made until November. A spokeswoman said: “No description of the person could be given, and it was said to have been around 4am but the caller could not be specific about the day. The time given was prior to Corrie’s phone leaving Bury St Edmunds and there was nothing to link this to Corrie.'

'Roy said: “He ran across the A11 at Barton Mills in front of my van. He was wearing the clothes in the police description – pink shirt, brown boots.'

*https://www-buryfreepress-co-uk.cdn...hting-of-missing-corrie-was-ignored-1-7984971

*https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.amppro...news/delivery-man-saw-missing-corrie-10511835
 
  • #291
That's right Miss French, but has the area been searched? To my knowledge there are dogging sites near BM. And I also think Corrie dropped his phone at some point, so they went separate ways and therefore aren't comparable.
 
  • #292
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-24-September-2016-22&p=13820756#post13820756

Here we go - post 829 on thread 22. This links you to the reg number and tweet of the taxi reported to Crimestoppers.


Shire, PaulSimon

There are too many questions marks over this alleged sighting; what's been said by SP, the details of the clothing had already been published, and if he was so concerned, why the delay in making a report? Plus, IMO, if someone is compos enough to balance on one foot whilst adjusting their jeans, why would they run in front of a vehicle and not wait to cross?

'But Suffolk Police said today that they had located Mr Hawes report, which was not made until November. A spokeswoman said: “No description of the person could be given, and it was said to have been around 4am but the caller could not be specific about the day. The time given was prior to Corrie’s phone leaving Bury St Edmunds and there was nothing to link this to Corrie.'

'Roy said: “He ran across the A11 at Barton Mills in front of my van. He was wearing the clothes in the police description – pink shirt, brown boots.'

*https://www-buryfreepress-co-uk.cdn...hting-of-missing-corrie-was-ignored-1-7984971

*https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.amppro...news/delivery-man-saw-missing-corrie-10511835

Also, IIRC there was one other report from a passenger in a taxi who had a conversation with the driver who mentioned picking up/dropping someone off in BM area wearing similar clothes. He gave the taxi details to LE. If that was followed up that would be two reports and the phone placing him in BM would be 3 indications. Has to be worth following up those leads.

It has to be better than trying to find a debit card in a landfill.

Eta see link above to posts in thread 22 re the taxi. These should be investigated together and followed up.

:cow:
 
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Suffolk Police
@SuffolkPolice13 Jan 17
New CCTV appeal on Corrie McKeague investigation -*ow.ly/KdGX307YwyDpic.twitter.com/q7LnPUSHo6View photo*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBillialdReplying to*@SuffolkPolice@findcorrie@findcorrie*
out of interest...was a Silver Hyundai car seen on the footage reg AU66 YZF? May be nothing but 🤔*#FindCorrie4:31 PM - 26 Jan 2017

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald26 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
as you mention 1000 hours of CCTV footage.... I just wondered ...if so it may well be significant....View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
driver had early hours, out of area non address pick up in Suffolk + drop non address nr Thetford.. Pink shirt +View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
white jeans mentioned. V unusual were his words as two non-addresses. V early hrs. I'd say worth a follow up.View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie*@nicola_urquhart@nicola_urquhart*
perhaps have a read Nicola ...could be significant if the same date .. Or if car seen on CCTV..View conversation*·****

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBilliald/status/824776724328091648

Link direct to the tweets reporting reg to SP and NU.

Two non addresses - pick up Suffolk and drop off Thetford.

Did this ever get checked out?

A non address near Thetford.......
 
  • #295
'But Suffolk Police said today that they had located Mr Hawes report, which was not made until November. A spokeswoman said: “No description of the person could be given, and it was said to have been around 4am but the caller could not be specific about the day. The time given was prior to Corrie’s phone leaving Bury St Edmunds and there was nothing to link this to Corrie.'

I dont think its relevant at all when he made the report, its almost as if they are saying well it wasnt made until November, 2 months later therefore its not very reputable, but he may not have even seen this case until 2 months later and reading it may have jogged his memory due to the clothing which stood out, and if he said "around 4am" that's not necessarily proof it was before Corries phone had left BSE, its just a round about time he mentioned, I am guessing the reason he cant be specific about the day was because its now 2 months later, but he he knows it was a Saturday since he always does that route and if they had taken his phone like he suggested, they would have been able to confirm by his own phone pings if he was where he says he was and at what time.

He also doesnt really specify how close he was to the car, just because he ran out doesnt mean he ran so close he was going to hit him, if he was crossing over, adjusted his shoe and then took the chance to run and make it to the other side before the car got to him, Its something I do all the time.. Ill be stood waiting to cross then think screw it, ill make that.. and dart for it. That's how it kinda sounded to me
 
  • #296
Looks like the dogging sites near Thetford near searching.
Suffolk Police
@SuffolkPolice13 Jan 17
New CCTV appeal on Corrie McKeague investigation -*ow.ly/KdGX307YwyDpic.twitter.com/q7LnPUSHo6View photo*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBillialdReplying to*@SuffolkPolice@findcorrie@findcorrie*
out of interest...was a Silver Hyundai car seen on the footage reg AU66 YZF? May be nothing but [emoji848]*#FindCorrie4:31 PM - 26 Jan 2017

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald26 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
as you mention 1000 hours of CCTV footage.... I just wondered ...if so it may well be significant....View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
driver had early hours, out of area non address pick up in Suffolk + drop non address nr Thetford.. Pink shirt +View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie
white jeans mentioned. V unusual were his words as two non-addresses. V early hrs. I'd say worth a follow up.View conversation*·****

Adam Billiald@AdamBilliald27 Jan 17Replying to*@SuffolkPolice*@findcorrie*@nicola_urquhart@nicola_urquhart*
perhaps have a read Nicola ...could be significant if the same date .. Or if car seen on CCTV..View conversation*·****



Did this ever get checked out?

A non address near Thetford.......

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  • #297
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-24-September-2016-22&p=13820756#post13820756

Here we go - post 829 on thread 22. This links you to the reg number and tweet of the taxi reported to Crimestoppers.

It has to be better than trying to find a debit card in a landfill.

Eta see link above to posts in thread 22 re the taxi. These should be investigated together and followed up.

:cow:


Interesting that link Shiresleuth, thanks. Going back and reading my own posts on that page :blushing: my thoughts have not altered since.

Since nothing has been advanced following the lines SP took then (at such great expense), seems reasonable that some further, more detailed, investigation into possible sightings could prove valuable.
I would not expect SP to fund any more investigation though, I think they went above and beyond in what they did.
Could/should there be some donated cash still available for the family to fund their own search? I understand Corrie's dad physically searched at the time as did NU and brothers, and in other missing people searches it is often family that just continue looking and searching other areas in the hope of some discovery. The police can only do so much after all. JMOO
 
  • #298
This is interesting, I wonder if the taxi driver ever reported it? Again like the bread delivery driver its just something I cant see someone making up.

What if he walked out of the HS and up Short Brackland and hes called a taxi, its a non address pick up because hes literally loitering outside. The taxi also has to get to him which should take some time, he could have just been sat there while he waited, the taxi then drops him off around the A11 at his request (non address drop off) if he was heading over to this dogging site, its then when the bread delivery driver has seen him, hes then gone to the dogging site and something has happened there. It explains the phone movements and how he got from BSE to BM so quickly that wasnt in a vehicle in the HS

I understand the timings are not dead on, but they are never going to be completely accurate are they?

Leaves the HS at 3.24, wanders up and calls a taxi and waits for it around 3.45-4.15, it still pings on the BSE mast at 4.30 because it would be still travelling out of BSE then he gets to Barton Mills between 4.30-5.00 which is around the time the phone has pinged and the bread delivery driver has seen him.

I guess its all down to what kind of records the taxi company would have held, surely they would have taken a name and number of the pick up. Unless hes flagged a private taxi? Some taxis will take a fare off the street if its quiet, that way they wouldn't have gotten a number for him?
 
  • #299
This is interesting, I wonder if the taxi driver ever reported it? Again like the bread delivery driver its just something I cant see someone making up.

What if he walked out of the HS and up Short Brackland and hes called a taxi, its a non address pick up because hes literally loitering outside. The taxi also has to get to him which should take some time, he could have just been sat there while he waited, the taxi then drops him off around the A11 at his request (non address drop off) if he was heading over to this dogging site, its then when the bread delivery driver has seen him, hes then gone to the dogging site and something has happened there. It explains the phone movements and how he got from BSE to BM so quickly that wasnt in a vehicle in the HS

I understand the timings are not dead on, but they are never going to be completely accurate are they?

Leaves the HS at 3.24, wanders up and calls a taxi and waits for it around 3.45-4.15, it still pings on the BSE mast at 4.30 because it would be still travelling out of BSE then he gets to Barton Mills between 4.30-5.00 which is around the time the phone has pinged and the bread delivery driver has seen him.

I guess its all down to what kind of records the taxi company would have held, surely they would have taken a name and number of the pick up. Unless hes flagged a private taxi? Some taxis will take a fare off the street if its quiet, that way they wouldn't have gotten a number for him?
That guy gave both SP and NU exact details of the vehicle. It's unforgivableI if it has not been checked out. Nr Thetford was also the rave location on the Saturday and another sighting was at Brandon (also near Thetford).

Also the reg is a brand new car (66 = 1 Sep 2016 and I remember it being mentioned the taxi driver was new but I don't have a link for that, only the evidence of the 66 reg number)
 
  • #300
Thinking back wasn’t Thetford where the abandoned van was found?
 
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