UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #23

[Miss_French]

Not necessarily, the wife of John Darwin (aka canoe man) got him declared dead quite quickly. It all depends on the circumstances.
Get a declaration of presumed death

It's a mute point anyhow as imo it is very unlikely CM had any life insurance, he seems to have been a bit of a spendthrift. His mum even paid his phone bill iirc.

Canoe man's family would have had the estate to sort out, which can be an exception to the 7 years.

C could have had life insurance through the RAF; 50p a month straight out of wages so not going to miss that.

 

[Miss_French]

Wasn't it an old phone he was using, because his current phone was being repaired? If so, he might well dump it if it got damaged.

It was a smartphone (Nokia Lumia 435). It belonged to his mum and C had borrowed it because his phone was broken or lost, but there was still some time to run on his contract. I suppose if it was N paying, she wouldn't want the cost of a new handset if the previous one was still being paid off.

 

[kelsie]

Should we change the title to Deceased/Not Found?

 

[PaulSimon]

Look back a few posts and I've said that the 4th person on the phone WAS seen on CCTV and has been identified.

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So I’m a bit confused. Also the CCTV doesn’t show the horseshoe so how did they identify him if he was stood in an unseen area and if he hasn’t been detected leaving.

Maybe it’s just me getting really confused but it doesn’t make sense? Can anyone clear it up?

 

[tree1]

Possibly a pay out from the

Not necessarily, the wife of John Darwin (aka canoe man) got him declared dead quite quickly. It all depends on the circumstances.
Get a declaration of presumed death

It's a mute point anyhow as imo it is very unlikely CM had any life insurance, he seems to have been a bit of a spendthrift. His mum even paid his phone bill iirc.

Possible pay out from the Air Force though. If he was in the pension scheme I imagine he would have nominated a next of kin in the event of his death. I may be totally wrong but seems quite standard across public sector roles in the UK.

 

[Cherwell]

the CCTV doesn’t show the horseshoe so how did they identify him if he was stood in an unseen area and if he hasn’t been detected leaving.

Perhaps he came forward and told the police that he had been in the area.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Should we change the title to Deceased/Not Found?

I don't think I'm ready

 

[Scorpio1]

Should we change the title to Deceased/Not Found?

I'm still not convinced that he is deceased, i still have to many random un answered questions,
Like
Did he know about the baby.
Was the correct bin lorry checked for DNA
Was it even the correct bin picked up by the bin man,
How did his mates get home and at what time,
At what time was the car seen driving the wrong way down the one way Street,

And most importantly how come the family statements keep changing and contradictin has been common since the start ,

 

[PaulSimon]

Perhaps he came forward and told the police that he had been in the area.

Yeah that’s a good point, but Miss French’s post specifically states he was identified on CCTV. And Nicolas recent posts don’t clarify this. So hopefully she can clarify it again by saying point blank that the 4th person the driver seen wasn’t Corrie.

But this also proves that you CAN 100% leave that area undetected because if Mr 4th person who is not Corrie wasn’t seen on CCTV leaving, how did he leave? Was he there the whole time until after 6am? If so surely he’s a crucial witness as to whether Corrie was there. Because if he was stood around he would have seen him and I assume he didn’t which proves he wasn’t there

This is why this is now confusing to me.

Unless the male that identified on CCTV was not the 4th person who the driver seen, the male identified could have been stood on his phone, but the driver could have also seen “the 4th person” on his phone too? This 4th person who hasn’t been seen leaving on CCTV could be Corrie since we seen him go in and his statement says he matched Corries description.

So confusing! ‍

 

[FlashyHydra]

Should we change the title to Deceased/Not Found?

Absolutely not. This is a cold case, so this can be moved there.
And if Martin knows what happened to Corrie then let's hear it....
This latest statement of his sounds like some lame excuse!

 

[Cherwell]

Yeah that’s a good point, but Miss French’s post specifically states he was identified on CCTV.

Isn't that just a quote from Nicola though? I wouldn't take it literally as she isn't very consistent or accurate. My guess is that he was caught on CCTV and either the other people passing through recognised him, or he himself remembered that he was there, realised that he would have been seen, and identified himself.

But this also proves that you CAN 100% leave that area undetected because if Mr 4th person who is not Corrie wasn’t seen on CCTV leaving, how did he leave?

Absolutely!

Was he there the whole time until after 6am? If so surely he’s a crucial witness as to whether Corrie was there. Because if he was stood around he would have seen him and I assume he didn’t which proves he wasn’t there.

I think Corrie was long gone by the time these people and the bin lorry turned up. We're told that the group of three left via Short Brackland - the camera no doubt caught them walking into that street, but at the other extent of its rotation it could easily have missed Corrie doing the same.

 

[PaulSimon]

It could be me totally reading it wrong of course:

1st Statement Dec 2016

The driver has been spoken to on a number of occasions. He arrived at 4.20am and thought he saw Corrie in the horseshoe but through investigation by the police, this male is seen on CCTV there but it isn't Corrie. He has now been identified as people saw him on the footage in the pod and I have too, it was a man standing using his phone so its not the case that the bin man saw Corrie."

Facebook Post this week

"I have also been read the statement of the driver of the biffa lorry that night and the description he provided to the police of the 4th person he saw STANDING in the horseshoe looking at his phone his description matched Corrie exactly.
I have no reason to doubt this man at all, he appears to be the single person from biffa that has actually said exactly the same thing from the first day he was spoken too. It is evidence and fact in police statements that this gentleman looked in the bin and he states Corrie was not in the bin, it was filled with the same rubbish as normal."

The 2nd statement doesnt really clarify that it wasn't Corrie like the first does, and then the further FB comment about all 4 having left but only 3 of the 4 were seen on camera.

Seeing as there is no CCTV in the HS, the man cant have been identified there, however as people have stated he likely will have come forth and said he was in the area and they then eliminated via CCTV elsewhere. The question is, was he caught on CCTV walking into the HS like Corrie and if so what time? but not caught on CCTV leaving? Has this man said yes I was stood in the HS, or did he just say he was in the area? There is a difference.. and has the biffa driver seen a photo of the identified man to confirm that it was this person he saw and not Corrie? If those questions have been answered it does 100% confirm that the 4th person was NOT Corrie.

Either way, it again confirms you can leave undetected because this 4th person has done, so all that hoo-har about it being impossible to leave the area was yet again a hindrance to investigation because Corrie could have clearly left undetected also and the focus is still remaining on the bin lorry.

No wonder Nicola says she has so many unanswered questions.

She will be doing a FB Live this afternoon to clear up alot of points, I think these points are ones she will cover as they are brought up alot on FB too in the confusion

 

[Miss_French]

Isn't that just a quote from Nicola though? I wouldn't take it literally as she isn't very consistent or accurate. My guess is that he was caught on CCTV and either the other people passing through recognised him, or he himself remembered that he was there, realised that he would have been seen, and identified himself.



Absolutely!



I think Corrie was long gone by the time these people and the bin lorry turned up. We're told that the group of three left via Short Brackland - the camera no doubt caught them walking into that street, but at the other extent of its rotation it could easily have missed Corrie doing the same.

The other 3 people that the binman saw were the 3 teenagers, who were on Short Brackland around the rear of Cornhill Walk Shopping Centre. Them leaving via SB means they've just walked down the street, nothing to do with the Greenwood's camera, which is the one on rotation and provided the last sighting of C.

Corrie Mckeague: Teenagers 'potential witnesses' in airman search - BBC News

 

[Scorpio1]

It could be me totally reading it wrong of course:

1st Statement Dec 2016

The driver has been spoken to on a number of occasions. He arrived at 4.20am and thought he saw Corrie in the horseshoe but through investigation by the police, this male is seen on CCTV there but it isn't Corrie. He has now been identified as people saw him on the footage in the pod and I have too, it was a man standing using his phone so its not the case that the bin man saw Corrie."

Facebook Post this week

"I have also been read the statement of the driver of the biffa lorry that night and the description he provided to the police of the 4th person he saw STANDING in the horseshoe looking at his phone his description matched Corrie exactly.
I have no reason to doubt this man at all, he appears to be the single person from biffa that has actually said exactly the same thing from the first day he was spoken too. It is evidence and fact in police statements that this gentleman looked in the bin and he states Corrie was not in the bin, it was filled with the same rubbish as normal."

The 2nd statement doesnt really clarify that it wasn't Corrie like the first does, and then the further FB comment about all 4 having left but only 3 of the 4 were seen on camera.

Seeing as there is no CCTV in the HS, the man cant have been identified there, however as people have stated he likely will have come forth and said he was in the area and they then eliminated via CCTV elsewhere. The question is, was he caught on CCTV walking into the HS like Corrie and if so what time? but not caught on CCTV leaving? Has this man said yes I was stood in the HS, or did he just say he was in the area? There is a difference.. and has the biffa driver seen a photo of the identified man to confirm that it was this person he saw and not Corrie? If those questions have been answered it does 100% confirm that the 4th person was NOT Corrie.

Either way, it again confirms you can leave undetected because this 4th person has done, so all that hoo-har about it being impossible to leave the area was yet again a hindrance to investigation because Corrie could have clearly left undetected also and the focus is still remaining on the bin lorry.

No wonder Nicola says she has so many unanswered questions.

She will be doing a FB Live this afternoon to clear up alot of points, I think these points are ones she will cover as they are brought up alot on FB too in the confusion

 

[Scorpio1]

Did N do the fb live thing that you mentioned .if so can you share what was said as many of us don't have access to the said FB page,

 

[Cherwell]

The other 3 people that the binman saw were the 3 teenagers, who were on Short Brackland around the rear of Cornhill Walk Shopping Centre. Them leaving via SB means they've just walked down the street, nothing to do with the Greenwood's camera, which is the one on rotation and provided the last sighting of C.

Corrie Mckeague: Teenagers 'potential witnesses' in airman search - BBC News

So does that mean that it's only the bin lorry driver's witness statement that places them walking up SB? Plus their own statements, of course. Did the Greenwood's camera not capture them doing so*? Because if it didn't, then it might have missed Corrie doing the same, if he did.

*I should say "turning into SB"; I realise that the camera wouldn't cover someone actually walking along SB.

 

[Miss_French]

So does that mean that it's only the bin lorry driver's witness statement that places them walking up SB? Plus their own statements, of course. Did the Greenwood's camera not capture them doing so*? Because if it didn't, then it might have missed Corrie doing the same, if he did.

*I should say "turning into SB"; I realise that the camera wouldn't cover someone actually walking along SB.

AFAIK yes, it's just the statements, but the teens don't need to have come from the town centre and past the Greenwood's camera to have got to the shopping centre. They could have been walking up SB towards town, or cut across the rear car park of the shopping centre from Well Street to SB.

 

[Miss_French]

Perhaps he came forward and told the police that he had been in the area.

My post of N's Q&A says he was identified by people in the pod who viewed the cctv of him.

 

[Cherwell]

AFAIK yes, it's just the statements, but the teens don't need to have come from the town centre and past the Greenwood's camera to have got to the shopping centre. They could have been walking up SB towards town, or cut across the rear car park of the shopping centre from Well Street to SB.

My post of N's Q&A says he was identified by people in the pod who viewed the cctv of him.

IMBW, but I thought the CCTV showed them walking past the Cornhill shopping centre towards the Greenwoods camera. Wasn't there also some footage from the camera inside the Cornhill? Unfortunately the police seem to have taken down all the CCTV clips as soon as the people were identified. I had the impression that the driver saw them walk away up SB, but again IMBW.

Again, I'm inclined to take N's statements with a pinch of salt because they aren't always accurate, for one reason or another. She's reliant on what she's been told at the time, and sometimes that changes.

 

[Cherwell]

Did N do the fb live thing that you mentioned .if so can you share what was said as many of us don't have access to the said FB page,

You haven't missed anything. It was just a monologue complaining about her ex-husband. She doesn't share Martin's view that C is dead and buried in the landfill, and deeply resents that he has made his feelings public.