GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #2

[Gigi-G]

Anyhow on the twatterverse.... it crazy

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[cottonweaver]

When BB said that Ellie wet herself in front of dad, I thought he was referring to himself. She wet herself in front of her dad.

BTW Rayemonde, whilst I was looking for the medical experts testimony just now this reference came up

Mother-of-four Lucy Jackson told the court that Butler and Gray had been her neighbours for about a year.She said Ellie was always "well-presented and clean".
But she recalled hearing arguments and a raised male voice coming from their home.
In the autumn of 2013, Ms Jackson heard him shout: "Where did you hide the f****** underwear?"

(From northern echo )

Sounds as if E could have been hiding her wet underwear as she was so afraid of his/their reaction. Poor poor kid. I'd say tragic, but this was murder.

in relation to :

'I want u to start being alot tougher... Shes being an abs c*** I want to knw y she pissed herself in front of dad and sat there sulking the whole f***ing time.

 

[cottonweaver]

Pahaha I just need a gun..... jk ��

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Try this test first , tell us your score and I'll let you know if you can have a gun licence

http://vistriai.com/psychopathtest/

 

[Gigi-G]

It's just tragic... it really is. No child should die. But what did she do? She didn't ask to be born. She didn't ask to be hurt.

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[Gigi-G]

Try this test first , tell us your score and I'll let you know if you can have a gun licence

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I scored 5 ca n I have my gun now plz? 😁

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[Gigi-G]

I scored 5 ca n I have my gun now plz? 😁

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I've just drooled n dribbled .... 😓

My hero ♡

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[cottonweaver]

I scored 5 ca n I have my gun now plz? 😁

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5? You can have a "sawn-off" as you'll never use it.
I got 10. Then I did it as BB :facepalm: - he got 30

You and your Twitter sphere ! Personally I blame that Legally Bland bloke.
R.Sambora- I didn't even know what he looked like.

So what's happening in Court 8 today? I hope Tortoise hasn't trekked all the way there to find JG is no-show on the jury questioning.

 

[Gigi-G]

5? You can have a "sawn-off" as you'll never use it.
I got 10. Then I did it as BB :facepalm: - he got 30

You and your Twitter sphere ! Personally I blame that Legally Bland bloke.
R.Sambora- I didn't even know what he looked like.

So what's happening in Court 8 today? I hope Tortoise hasn't trekked all the way there to find JG is no-show on the jury questioning.

Lol I'm not surprised BB got 30. That pic is actually Jon Bon Jovi. Mr Sambora plays Guitar with Mr JBJ. Lol

As for court 8. I got a feeling she JG if given the option wouldn't attend questions anyway. Unless it'd be a breach of her bail conditions. Wonder why there's no call back for BB.

Otherwise isn't it just questions and possible Video links from experts? Still interesting tho. Might find out what hasn't been reported yet via forensics. Which would help us immensely. Even if it was thru DM.

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[Gigi-G]

Take a look at @DannyShawBBC's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/736124247186284545?s=09

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[Gigi-G]

Take a look at @DannyShawBBC's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/736125367581351936?s=09

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[Gigi-G]

Take a look at @DannyShawBBC's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/736125890212581376?s=09

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[Gigi-G]

Experts state 2 Sights of impact on Ellie's skull.

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[Gigi-G]

Experts state 2 Sites of impact on Ellie's skull.

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[Gigi-G]

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[Gigi-G]

Darn it can't find delete on here grr apologies for duplicates

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[Gigi-G]

Dr Mack is on video link from USA.

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[cottonweaver]

Darn it can't find delete on here grr apologies for duplicates

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Don't worry - I'll paste up the lot as am back home now.
Bit surprised about "Pros say 2 impacts" as I scoured through all the old news reports looking to quantify the impacts - ended up with Cary saying "one or more".

 

[cottonweaver]

All of Gigi's Danny Shaw tweets, newest first , 7 mins ago.

Sounds like T went into court, pleased JG is about to do her "encore", let's hope she does badly. brickbats not bouquets

Short break in Ben #Butler trial before Jennie Gray, his partner, will be recalled to answer 3 jury questions.
In questions to Dr Mack Defence QC tells court lead pathologist Prof Risden initially suggested Ellie #Butler had "a single" area of impact
Dr Mack accepts under X-examination if pathological evidence supports two impacts to Ellie #Butler that "trumps" radiological findings.
Another Defence expert has said a short accidental fall possible with one impact site, but not with two #Butler
Prosecution experts say there were two sites of impact to Ellie #Butler's head
On video link from USA, Dr Mack says you can't tell if swelling on Ellie #Butler's skull was caused by bleeding from more than one impact
At Old Bailey at Ben #Butler trial where Defence expert, neuroradiologist Dr Julie Mack, has been recalled to give further evidence...

 

[cottonweaver]

Jennie Gray back in the witness box at Ben #Butler trial to answer jury questions.The first is about why she didn't know Ellie's schooldates

answers

Jennie Gray says she didn't check emails with dates as regularly as she should in reply to first jury question #Butler

Interesting seeing as this was already asked and answered yesterday.
IMO the jury's collective BS detector is alerting, hence some of these q's.

 

[cottonweaver]

2nd jury question -why Jennie Gray didn't do Internet search re Ellie #Butler's head injury early Oct 2013?
She says it wasn't significant.

Like this question, bravo jury!

Vomit blood on the sofa cushion acc to BB. Not significant....ahem