GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #2

[michelle230]

Borderline PD - yes, a perfect fit.

 

[michelle230]

Lol - could be worse - she might sleepwalk and think her cell mate is BB - yikes!
He`ll probably have lots of lonely, deluded women writing to him, certain that they can redeem him. JG had better watch out - he could even get married to one of his future admirers :thinking:

 

[Gigi-G]

Max was in the back of the wagon, Justice Hogg was driving and had the road map . Some dodgy US med experts waved them off.

Well said! Ha!
That made me chuckle .

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[michelle230]

meant to put "married in prison to one of his future admirers"

 

[Gigi-G]

( He's blubbing and rocking on his mattress. She's already had several spats.)
How do you know that or are you just predicting...if you are I bet they are pretty close to reality. I can imagine him crying like a little boy...... remember "That`s not who I am I`m actually thoughtful and reflective cause that nice Hogg lady said I was " , and ironically, in some ways JG who may not have sworn or been physically violen,t is actually more aggressive , threatening and combative than he is. He, when needs dictate can probably put on an almost charming act (albeit short lived). On the other hand, I can`t imagine JG being able to form meaningful relationships with anyone.
I hope they go around arrogantly boasting to their new" social circle" that they`re f....ing innocent and f...ing going to appeal and win (and get lots of compensation!) and be outta there very very soon. Because that will not go down well in there lol. They`ll behave like they`re "different" to the other inmates and superior and that certainly won`t endear them to their new peers. Can you imagine them keeping their heads down as newbies, showing some humility?
Re Hogg - it is very puzzling indeed why she not only returned the children, but undertook all the other extras too e.g. making the council write to all the professionals to note their total innocence on file and putting a legal system in place should they ever be questioned in the future, so one letter from their solicitor and everyone was forced legally to back off. I have never heard of this before - this utter extremity. I know it sounds ridiculous but....I do wonder about some...shall I say....flattery/weird attachment KWIM?? There was a case recently in the paper - a jury found a young man (handsome) guilty of child rape and he was jailed. A middle aged woman * on the jury * somehow had a note passed to the accused after he had been sentenced reading "Chin up sexy"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elling-d-fought-corner-trial-signed-KISS.html
There was something very, very odd about the whole Hogg case. Missing pieces of the puzzle.
Cottonweaver - in that post about fund raising - I didn`t put the asteriks - I actually typed the site name but it must have been deleted, but I`m sure we all know which fund raising site I am referring to.
I have known people to raise a LOT of money for many causes including help with funding legal fees to fight for justice - check out "Truth about Zane" for example. I think a case like this would get a lot of support. But I think it would have to be set up quickly.
Mr Gray would have to be contacted and give his permission, maybe through one of the reporters who has interviewed him and who has an interest in the case. It would generate a lot of publicity. What do people feel on here? Is there anyone willing to help to try to make it happen?
Michelle

I think we'd all like to help out. Or do our lil bit. We pipped the video leak to the LE and PROS. Why shouldn't we help Mr Gray and his family. We feel like we're Ellie's extended family. Weve gotten so engrossed and wrapped up in her short lil life.

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[michelle230]

"Plus I genuinely feel there was some reverse snobbery* going on. Hogg is an aristo. I can't explain it properly"
Champagne socialist???

 

[flutterby]

I don`t think so Flutterby but I think he may have charmed her as Tortoise and Cotton said, and for some of the more complex reasons that Cotton said also. Maybe stuff going on at a subconscious level.............

Gut instinct tells me no, he wouldn't have dared.

Even as I was writing it, I wasn't convinced tbh. I think it was probably like Cotton and Tortoise have suggested too

 

[michelle230]

Thanks Gi-Gi. Let`s have a think about it tomorrow.
Who was the guy reporting on the case on twitter?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-not-to-be-sent-back-to-her-parents-says-aunt


Devastating words for her aunt

This just made me sick with anger and regret! Poor Ellie knew her father and mother, she knew what was coming, it's unbelievable that the authorities could not see it!

BB is a violent, sadistic monster and JG the abusive enabler. I am sure she wanted all the violence levelled at Ellie, she wanted Ellie to take the brunt of it, she's no right to call herself a mother!

The tragic part of having someone like BB as a caregiver/spouse is that he will set a situation up for the child/partner to fail. No matter how clever Ellie was, how quiet and well behaved she could be, BB would create a scenario where she couldn't win.

If only these cluster B disorders like narcissism, anti-social, borderline, histrionic were taken more seriously. Particularly NPD, as their focus is on their loved ones, their primary function is to live in chaos and delusions. To be fair, I've only started researching these disorders this past year myself, and it's become apparent how many cases on WS involve a culprit that has the disorder. It's in their past and present, the things they say and do, how they see themselves as 'heroes', 'victims', blaming everyone for their predicament, no guilt or remorse, tears flow for themselves, their sense of entitlement, their sadistic character, the lies and cunning is beyond belief!

Thank you to the judge and jury giving this man what he deserves, a long jail sentence. JG deserved a longer sentence, it's a pity that she and others like her, will continue to serve up their children for abuse of every kind to keep a man by their side. The child is a mere object to be used for whatever benefits the parent. :cry:

JMO

 

[flutterby]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ne-McCann-parents-to-access-police-files.html

OT, but was just googling Justice Hogg and this caught my eye.

Mrs Justice Hogg, who has effectively been Madeleine's legal guardian since her parents applied for her to be made a ward of court last year,

She really has had some really really high profile stuff over the years

 

[Gigi-G]

Thanks Gi-Gi. Let`s have a think about it tomorrow.
Who was the guy reporting on the case on twitter?

Danny Shaw.


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[Gigi-G]

This just made me sick with anger and regret! Poor Ellie knew her father and mother, she knew what was coming, it's unbelievable that the authorities could not see it!

BB is a violent, sadistic monster and JG the abusive enabler. I am sure she wanted all the violence levelled at Ellie, she wanted Ellie to take the brunt of it, she's no right to call herself a mother!

The tragic part of having someone like BB as a caregiver/spouse is that he will set a situation up for the child/partner to fail. No matter how clever Ellie was, how quiet and well behaved she could be, BB would create a scenario where she couldn't win.

If only these cluster B disorders like narcissism, anti-social, borderline, histrionic were taken more seriously. Particularly NPD, as their focus is on their loved ones, their primary function is to live in chaos and delusions. To be fair, I've only started researching these disorders this past year myself, and it's become apparent how many cases on WS involve a culprit that has the disorder. It's in their past and present, the things they say and do, how they see themselves as 'heroes', 'victims', blaming everyone for their predicament, no guilt or remorse, tears flow for themselves, their sense of entitlement, their sadistic character, the lies and cunning is beyond belief!

Thank you to the judge and jury giving this man what he deserves, a long jail sentence. JG deserved a longer sentence, it's a pity that she and others like her, will continue to serve up their children for abuse of every kind to keep a man by their side. The child is a mere object to be used for whatever benefits the parent. :cry:

JMO

Indeed. A child is supposed to be borne out of love and cherished like the most treasured item in the whole word.

It seems the growing trend is to pop them out like peas. 1 2 3 4 ..... oh look i need a BIG house now... look at me with my bling n ting.. i got me a geezer he dunt work but yakno.

:sigh:

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[Gigi-G]

Nunight cottonweaver if yr still around ive managed half a bottle.. its soo humid here!

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[flutterby]

heheh GiGi, I'm freezing! and drinking vodka and red bull

 

[soozieqtips]

BIB And soozie, he passed his psych reports without any Psychopathy or PD diagnosed. Sounds familiar?

Yes! Makes you wonder what the point of the tests is if people like him can pass without any disorder being diagnosed. Growing up in the 70, child murders were really really rare. Now there's one a week according to this article. What the hell happened since the 70s?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...illed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

 

[soozieqtips]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ne-McCann-parents-to-access-police-files.html

OT, but was just googling Justice Hogg and this caught my eye.



She really has had some really really high profile stuff over the years

Interesting.

From the link:

"Mrs Justice Hogg made an extraordinary plea to Madeleine's abductor to "show mercy and compassion" and reveal her whereabouts".

Pity she didn't show Ellie some mercy and compassion and let her stay with her grandparents instead of scooting her off to a violent and abusive father.

 

[Gigi-G]

Is BB still in Belmarsh then? Unless hes been moved to a specific wing now. At least he was still at 'home'
And JG defo got Holloway?

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[Gigi-G]

heheh GiGi, I'm freezing! and drinking vodka and red bull

Ooooh are you in a fridge? 😂

Jk. Yum voddy n red bull.
I have red bull voddy is gone 🙈

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[Gigi-G]

Is BB still in Belmarsh then? Unless hes been moved to a specific wing now. At least he was still at 'home'
And JG defo got Holloway?

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Basically technically SH from Watts case is in Bronzefield. Just outside london. Smaller prison n privately run. The 2 of them get together... theyre both similar..

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[Gigi-G]

Yes! Makes you wonder what the point of the tests is if people like him can pass without any disorder being diagnosed. Growing up in the 70, child murders were really really rare. Now there's one a week according to this article. What the hell happened since the 70s?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...illed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

The EU? has it really got worse since the 70s or as i feel. Since the 70s everyone had a tv. Everyone had a fone. Everyone had a car in the family.
Everything in technology was zipping forward. Television became the thing. If somethiing happened reporters would be there.
We know more cuz we are showed more..
In comes the internet cable tv satellite dishes..... so in and so on.

There's more out there now. A child goes missing within a few hours its all over the network globally

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