GUILTY Uk - Emile Cilliers Accused Of Tampering W/ Wife's Parachute, Wiltshire, 5 April 2015

[Alyce]

Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 38 Continues - 15:36
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 38 Continues - 16:06
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 09:30 - 16:23

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=&amp]A court has heard that blood was found on the damaged fitting, but Mrs Cilliers, who claimed she 'elaborated the truth' during police interviews, said her husband had cut himself on March 29, 2015, while cooking.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]He said: "I cannot remember in particular that weekend [if I cut myself], but it is not unusual for me to cut myself while cooking.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"I have done it a few times, so it is not unusual for me not to remember.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"When Victoria told me about the gas, I told her to shut it off and open windows to let the smell out - just normal stuff.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/army-sergeant-accused-trying-kill-12545890

Victoria, in a message to her husband read out in court, said: 'Did you alter the gas lever into the cooker this am [sic] and there is dry blood around the lever.'
He replied: 'That is wei[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]rd. Is the stove working?'
She then answered: 'No, I did not want to try. I've opened back door.'
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https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...iltshire-5-April-2015&p=13668242#post13668242

 

[Tortoise]

Pathological liar can't even see where there is irrefutable evidence that shows he is lying.

 

[Alyce]

Rosie Laydon
‏ @RosieLaydon
2h2 hours ago

#ParachuteTrial #Army Sgt Emile #Cilliers back on the stand today facing questions from Prosecution on charges he tried to kill his wife by tampering with her #parachute and causing a gas leak @ family home, he denies all charges

 

[Moll]

The armed forces site has a report from yesterday, mostly similar to the BBC's, but with this that I don't recall seeing before:

'Ms Marsh quoted Mrs Cilliers who earlier had told the court it would take five minutes “if you had nails” to take the slinks out of the parachute – slinks are key components which were found to be missing following Mrs Cilliers jump.
Ms Marsh asked Mr Cilliers: “Do you have nails?”
He replied “no” and showed his hands to the court
Mr Marsh then asked “Do you have all the fingers on your hand?”
“No” he replied, “I’m missing the tip of my right index finger there’s no nail at all.”
The trial continues.'
https://www.forces.net/news/cilliers-trial-army-sergeant-tells-court-he-would-never-harm-wife

It sounds as if Victoria was giving him another possible 'out' - though it seems fairly unconvincing to me, as he could easily have taken something small in to assist him. He denied taking any tools into the toilet.

 

[Alyce]

Today's log, so far

Winchester 2

T20160267


emile stolz cilliers


Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Case Started - 09:32
Trial (Part Heard) - No Event - 09:37
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:35 - 11:13
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 38 Continues - 11:38
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:10 - 13:04
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 38 Continues - 14:14

 

[Alyce]

I had a read back through the thread and the first trial last night.
From what I could see, EC had about 4 days in the witness box.

At the end of today, it will have been 2.5 days, so perhaps, if they do a full day, he could finish tomorrow ?

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=&amp]Asked if Mrs [/FONT]#Cilliers[FONT=&amp] cld’ve tampered w parachute hslf - Mr C told Mr Bowes QC 4 Prosecution wd have 2 ask her that herself, Mr Bowes told him - You really are the ultimate coward aren’t you? To which Mr Cilliers said “That’s your opinion.”

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Court was shown a vid of how 2 tamper w a parachute kit like 1 Victoria [/FONT]#Cilliers[FONT=&amp] had used. Mr C said: I didn’t know it was that easy. I thought it would be nigh impossible to tamper with.Are you saying that on oath? Mr Bowes asked? “Yes I’m saying that on oath”

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Prosecution say Mr [/FONT]#Cilliers[FONT=&amp] tk £17,000 frm wife’s bank accounts wout hr agreement. [/FONT]#ParachuteTrial[FONT=&amp] 1/2

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]When Mrs [/FONT]#Cilliers[FONT=&amp] challenged him re £,he admits swearing,but denied bullying. Mr [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Bowes also suggested some of £ was spent on Mr C’s GF Mr C replied I was spending £ on going away,not specifically on her 2/2

https://twitter.com/RosieLaydon
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[Alyce]

Court 2
T20160267

EMILE STOLZ CILLIERS

Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 16:24



https://www.courtserve.net/services/faq/faq.php

 

[Tortoise]

From yesterday

An Army sergeant accused of tampering with his wife's parachute in an effort to murder her texted his lover while his wife was having emergency life-saving surgery, a court has heard.

Winchester Crown Court heard Emile Cilliers, 38, took critical injury insurance forms into hospital for the doctor to sign, so funds would be released to him.

Jurors were told he also asked Victoria Cilliers, while she was in intensive care, for money.

He said he couldn't afford to pay for groceries and items for the baby, despite having bought a sports television package for himself, jurors heard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/localnews/2653924-camerton/30

 

[Tortoise]

The armed forces site has a report from yesterday, mostly similar to the BBC's, but with this that I don't recall seeing before:

'Ms Marsh quoted Mrs Cilliers who earlier had told the court it would take five minutes “if you had nails” to take the slinks out of the parachute – slinks are key components which were found to be missing following Mrs Cilliers jump.
Ms Marsh asked Mr Cilliers: “Do you have nails?”
He replied “no” and showed his hands to the court
Mr Marsh then asked “Do you have all the fingers on your hand?”
“No” he replied, “I’m missing the tip of my right index finger there’s no nail at all.”
The trial continues.'
https://www.forces.net/news/cilliers-trial-army-sergeant-tells-court-he-would-never-harm-wife

It sounds as if Victoria was giving him another possible 'out' - though it seems fairly unconvincing to me, as he could easily have taken something small in to assist him. He denied taking any tools into the toilet.

I would have thought a penknife or a small pair of scissors could snip through the fabric slinks in a few seconds. Never mind fiddling about undoing them.

 

[Moll]

I don't think that can be the case, Tortoise, He said under oath that he took no tools with him, and I'm sure he wouldn't tell lies...

 

[Tortoise]

:laughing:

 

[Tortoise]

:floorlaugh:

 

[Supernovae]

Is anyone able to sketch out the timeline for the rest of the trial?

 

[Alyce]

Is anyone able to sketch out the timeline for the rest of the trial?

Best estimate

EC evidence
He should finish either today or possibly Monday

Assuming no other defence witnesses ( there were none first time round )

Closing arguments from Prosecution and Defence would be ;
Monday if EC finishes today
Tuesday if EC carries over to next week.

Judge summing up
Tuesday/Wednesday
or Wednesday/Thursday ( he took 2 days last time ! )

Jury out
Wednesday PM or Thursday PM

Wednesday PM would be better because of the BH week end coming up
Thursdsay PM wont give them much time before the holiday

 

[Alyce]

Winchester 2



T20160267
emile stolz cilliers


Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 09:30
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 09:59 - 09:54
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:10
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:35 - 10:32
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:34


http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Winchester-Crown-Court.php

 

[Tortoise]

Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 11:00

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Winchester-Crown-Court.php

 

[Alyce]

Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 11:00

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Winchester-Crown-Court.php

Ooh - a bit earlier than I thought - but all to the good, might get a verdict next week then ?

 

[Tortoise]

I'm hoping it's not a court error. He hardly seems to have got on the stand this time. I want him grilled for days but MAYBE he's said enough if you know what I mean. Dropped a clanger or something. Wishful thinking.