UK UK- Eve Stratford, 21, Bunny @ Playboy Club, posed for mag. cover, later her mutilated & grotesquely staged body found @ home, London 18/03/75 *DNA*

[jojojaja]

Sorry it's a repost of the identikit supplied by the police, public realm, and made with help from two separate witnesses of a man, to me it seems like the same person, the descriptions, placement and pictures are so similar. One witness saw a man of this description following Eve home. The other saw a man of this description outside Eve's flat/house at around the time of the murder or after.
Dark wavy hair, swarthy or stocky 5ft 8" or a little shorter. One described him as having a rosey face. I think slightly bushy eyebrows were mentioned. One mentioned a funny walk, like a penguin.

I want to compare with the identikit given out by the police, public realm, made with help of witnesses seeing the man at the station, Elizabeth Parravicini came from and in the area she was killed. Described as 5ft 6" to 5ft 8", stocky, dark hair, appearance of nose being broken. Not a clear visual on the Eve's perp photofit/kit, but the pictures don't rule it out either. Eve was murdered in 1977, two years later, it could have been broken since, it may not have been so noticeable to the first two witnesses.
Anyway they are so similar. This guy is not too tall, dark hair, stocky.
Why has this been downplayed by the police?

 

[jojojaja]

Sorry it's a repost of the identikit supplied by the police, public realm, and made with help from two separate witnesses of a man, to me it seems like the same person, the descriptions, placement and pictures are so similar. One witness saw a man of this description following Eve home. The other saw a man of this description outside Eve's flat/house at around the time of the murder or after.
Dark wavy hair, swarthy or stocky 5ft 8" or a little shorter. One described him as having a rosey face. I think slightly bushy eyebrows were mentioned. One mentioned a funny walk, like a penguin.

I want to compare with the identikit given out by the police, public realm, made with help of witnesses seeing the man at the station, Elizabeth Parravicini came from and in the area she was killed. Described as 5ft 6" to 5ft 8", stocky, dark hair, appearance of nose being broken. Not a clear visual on the Eve's perp photofit/kit, but the pictures don't rule it out either. Eve was murdered in 1977, two years later, it could have been broken since, it may not have been so noticeable to the first two witnesses.
Anyway they are so similar. This guy is not too tall, dark hair, stocky.
Why has this been downplayed by the police?

I forgot to add description ages. I have written them somewhere in this thread, or/and the Elizabeth , I know the average between the descriptions was 35.

 

[jojojaja]

The killer was probably a butcher if he was fat and handy with a knife. Imo. We should look for a local butcher near Eva's house.

Nobody stated he was fat, stocky doesn't necessarily mean fat and no description described him as plump, pudgy or fat.
The police think he was local to Hounslow, or at least he was very familiar with the area.
In Lynne's case he bludgeoned her with a heavy metal pipe or similar tool. No knife has been mentioned.

 

[jojojaja]

Finally, some witnesses to someone on the street, though he may not have anything to do with anything.

May 13, 1975, page 13 - Evening Standard at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Evening Standard dated May 13, 1975, page 13.

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Evening Standard
May 13, 1975

Described with an odd walk, the stocky and rather short man was said to be slowly walking behind Eve down Lynhurst Drive where she lived. The man was said to walk like someone pregnant, with a wobble so police got the witness to demonstrate how, they surmised that he walked slow, with his feet at odd angles, and hands in his pockets. Another witness saw what it seems they have accepted as being the same person, outside Eve's house, not walking, around 40 mins later. Their descriptions aren't exactly the same, (not unusual from what I've seen in reconstructions on Crimewatch). The first witness described him as short, 5 ft 5" and the second witness described him as 5ft 8". The first witness felt he was late thirties - early forties, the second thought thirty eight to forty. Wearing a ¾ length coat. Very dark short hair, thicker and wavier to the sides of his head. Bushy eyebrows and rosacea.

Ah found description from Eve's witnesses.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

In one of the recent Bunny documentaries the Bunny mother said that one of the security staff at the Playboy Club was ex-SAS. Is it possible that this person knew anything about the murder?

 

[jojojaja]

Goldhawke - The Playboy Bunny Murder

Goldhawke provided all the graphics content for this award nominated ITV documentary. The Playboy Bunny Murder is a two-part true crime series, following writer and journalist Marcel Theroux, as he investigates a series of murders that have stayed unsolved since the 1970s.

www.goldhawke.uk

"The Playboy Bunny Murder​

Goldhawke provided all the graphics content for this award nominated ITV documentary. The Playboy Bunny Murder is a two-part true crime series, following writer and journalist Marcel Theroux, as he investigates a series of murders that have stayed unsolved since the 1970s."

I don't know if anyone thinks any of the other images on there are worth saving to the site. I will add the Elizabeth Parravicini newspaper image to her thread.

 

[jojojaja]

I don't see how we would know, also unless involved, which I doubt, how would he know more than the police?
Maybe I'm missing what you mean.

In one of the recent Bunny documentaries the Bunny mother said that one of the security staff at the Playboy Club was ex-SAS. Is it possible that this person knew anything about the murder?

 

[Eastend Eagle]

I don't see how we would know, also unless involved, which I doubt, how would he know more than the police?
Maybe I'm missing what you mean.

I was just thinking that SAS would know how to kill easily and efficiently

 

[jojojaja]

I was just thinking that SAS would know how to kill easily and efficiently

In these cases, Eve and Lynne, they were very determined, brutal, overkill, it feels like they both enjoyed it and hated women.
Possibly the only efficient things were they achieved what they wanted, they took the murder weapon in each case, they got away with it.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

In these cases, Eve and Lynne, they were very determined, brutal, overkill, it feels like they both enjoyed it and hated women.
Possibly the only efficient things were they achieved what they wanted, they took the murder weapon in each case, they got away with it.

Even if the SAS guy wasn't the killer maybe he could have assisted in some way?
Does anyone know anything about them?

 

[tes1984]

In these cases, Eve and Lynne, they were very determined, brutal, overkill, it feels like they both enjoyed it and hated women.
Possibly the only efficient things were they achieved what they wanted, they took the murder weapon in each case, they got away with it.

The killer also doesn't seem to have left any fingerprints, otherwise the police would have linked Eve and Lynne way before 2004.

That (along with taking the murder weapon away) shows a certain level of organisation and control.

 

[tes1984]

I was just thinking that SAS would know how to kill easily and efficiently

The murders weren't really efficient. Massive overkill with Eve, and Lynne was still alive when he left the crime scene.

 

[jojojaja]

The killer also doesn't seem to have left any fingerprints, otherwise the police would have linked Eve and Lynne way before 2004.

That (along with taking the murder weapon away) shows a certain level of organisation and control.

Probably wore dark clothing too so blood stains wouldn't stand out so much, especially at night.
In Eve's case, he may have removed his clothes so they wouldn't have been splattered

I think the witness description of the guy with a penguin walk, it was definitely weirdly out turned feet like Chaplin, as they physically demonstrated to the police, I am sure they said they had an oversized black coat. I think they mentioned something about walk was like they were pregnant. I think a beer belly was mentioned.

Btw I read in a few press releases recently that the police also made the connection between the description of Eve's possible killer and Michelle Booth's attacker. They thought their descriptions were too similar. Regardless whether more people then had untreated conditions that may have caused limps and odd walks etc the police then would have known that when making that link.

You know a lot of these perp descriptions are of very repellent men who may have had trouble attracting women, I read one case where someone killed women because he felt women didn't like him and it turned out he was only rejected once. It's a bit like today's incel phenomenon where men get extremely hateful of women.

 

[jojojaja]

I keep wondering if the murders of Barbara Mayo or Jacqueline Ansell-Lamb might be connected. The MO is different, but the individual murders of Eve and Lynne were also quite different.

I remembered to have another look into their deaths today.
Aside from finding that Mayo has DNA on file so could not be the same killer.
Also as previously stated, we only have the murders of Eve and Lynne to go by for info on the perp. In neither case was there any hint of a car. Or of him doing anything outside London, police want proof that someone they accuse was in an area, they need a link. They need things that will stand up in court. We know of other people doing similar things outside London, especially Sutcliffe and Tobin. Tobin did pick up hitchhikers.
Anyway Jaqueline, from what I can gather she had at least two known successful lifts before it became unknown who picked her up. By that time she was already in the North of England. The connection to London where we know the killer of Eve and Lynne operated, is therefore is tenuous.
If the killer of these two hitchiking girls is the same person. Both left London and both were found in Northern England. I think less is known on who picked up Barbara Mayo. Then the person who's dna was on Barbara would have killed Jaqueline. However if the police couldn't prove they were killed by the same person and the perp of Barbara was identified, Jaqueline might still end up staying unsolved.

I'm of the opinion that you can ponder on things and discuss theories, but if you want to say something is a certainty, you need facts to back it up. Otherwise it's just a personal belief/opinion.
That's what I like about this site, it's fact based.

I think all we can do here is look at likelihoods and grade things on that.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Probably wore dark clothing too so blood stains wouldn't stand out so much, especially at night.
In Eve's case, he may have removed his clothes so they wouldn't have been splattered

I think the witness description of the guy with a penguin walk, it was definitely weirdly out turned feet like Chaplin, as they physically demonstrated to the police, I am sure they said they had an oversized black coat. I think they mentioned something about walk was like they were pregnant. I think a beer belly was mentioned.

Btw I read in a few press releases recently that the police also made the connection between the description of Eve's possible killer and Michelle Booth's attacker. They thought their descriptions were too similar. Regardless whether more people then had untreated conditions that may have caused limps and odd walks etc the police then would have known that when making that link.

You know a lot of these perp descriptions are of very repellent men who may have had trouble attracting women, I read one case where someone killed women because he felt women didn't like him and it turned out he was only rejected once. It's a bit like today's incel phenomenon where men get extremely hateful of women.

I wondered if in the Lynne Weedon case the killer may have had some connection to the school by where she was murdered

 

[jojojaja]

I wondered if in the Lynne Weedon case the killer may have had some connection to the school by where she was murdered

You write that as if it's a different killer to the one who murdered both Eve and her. Sometimes I almost wish he'd been given a nickname so everyone knew it was the same murderer.
Of all the many things written by people who knew her, she didn't have an enemy in the world, she was kind to everyone and everyone liked her. Lynne had a lot of friends from school. I notice the prevalence of hotels, almost everyone quoted on news stories worked in hotels, Lynne's best friend Rosemary, the two boys who walked her home. Hotel locations are used as references points to geography....I wonder if Lynne herself considered that, she was due to start college relating to languages. Hotels like people with various languages.
Everyone interviewed come across as very open, friendly, helpful, community minded. It really doesn't sound like the London of today where people generally keep themselves to themselves and don't know the people living around them.
I would think the person doing this was not known as a nice guy. I think people would have noticed something off about him. I think he may have been someone people felt uncomfortable to be around. The kind of person people might point at if something like this happened.
Back then even more so, a to hell with the evidence, all circumstantial, this looks like a weirdo. Then not convicted because not enough evidence. Nowadays they are far more strict about ascertaining if there is enough to go to court and get a conviction.

Also I believe he was a lot older than Lynne. I have seen so many ages thrown around, I am settling in the middle and think he was somewhere around 30.
People can look older than they are, people can look younger than they are, people can be terrible at judging ages. So I am settling somewhere in the middle when thinking of him. That would make him around 80 now, may still be alive. I've seen the police arrest older people in resolved cold cases.

 

[tes1984]

Btw I read in a few press releases recently that the police also made the connection between the description of Eve's possible killer and Michelle Booth's attacker. They thought their descriptions were too similar. Regardless whether more people then had untreated conditions that may have caused limps and odd walks etc the police then would have known that when making that link.

The police look at potential similarities, but AFAIK Michelle Booth has never been confirmed as being linked to Eve and Lynne.

The limp/odd walk is interesting, but I wouldn't describe the descriptions as being too similar.

 

[jojojaja]

The police look at potential similarities, but AFAIK Michelle Booth has never been confirmed as being linked to Eve and Lynne.

The limp/odd walk is interesting, but I wouldn't describe the descriptions as being too similar.

No it's not confirmed, these were suspicions raised by the police when talking to the press back in the 70s, but the fact they raised them means they were looking into it. I am assuming for the same reasons I looked into any possible connected cases.

Descriptions will often differ from person to person and can relate to people's observation skills, length of time they saw the person, eye sight, distance, memory...
A stocky, fairly short, dark haired or black haired guy, hair not short and possibly wavy, opposite of a looker, possibly a beer belly, feet turned outwards/penguin walk these are similarities.
Of course they would look into that.

Police are usually careful with their words, they can have suspicions, but they won't confirm anything without proof.

 

[jojojaja]

https://www.topfoto.co.uk/asset/20640/

Considering identikits/photofits/artist's impressions, they can fluctuate madly. These are only a few of those of Peter Sutcliffe, only one really looks like him, it's not among these, and it was put aside because the police didn't believe that the person was a victim of PS.


"Special instructions: Police hand out image - Topfoto does not hold copyright
The Yorkshire Ripper. Identikit- photofit of suspect."

 

[jojojaja]

News Video from Anna O'Neill



From Anna O'Neill the reporter on the news, video clip about Eve and her friend's memories, feelings about her on the 50th anniversary of her murder.