UK UK- Eve Stratford, 21, Bunny @ Playboy Club, posed for mag. cover, later her mutilated & grotesquely staged body found @ home, London 18/03/75 *DNA*

[tes1984]

Did LW have any connection to the Royal Standard? speculation.

Who knows, but I don't think Lynne was the sort of 16 year old who went to a lot of pubs. She was a keen student and didn't usually go out in the evenings.

 

[lee sumner]

I referred to the person with a supposed limp from a contemporary newspaper (in a previous post), which Colin Sutton didn't, the witness was asked by the police to demonstrate how the person had a funny walk, they demonstrated that the feet were outward turned and they walked a little like someone pregnant. Abdul khawaja was said to swagger by the ex bunnies yet Sutton in the Bunny Girl Murders took a limp and a swagger to mean the same thing and assume it meant the description resembled Abdul.
I felt it was a leap too far.

iam sure i heard abdul had been eliminated by DNA. i dont believe farrow was killed by the same man who killed stratford and weedon. yes, her throat had been cut, but there was no sign of sexual assault. plus farrow was pregnant at the time of her murder. i think farrow was killed by someone hired by her husband.

 

[lee sumner]

These posts are very confusing and so is the below article:

I nailed Levi Bellfield, I'll prove serial killer is behind West End Murders

What I am getting from this is that former Detective Sutton believes Farrow's murder is linked to Eve and Lynne, despite the DNA evidence not matching?

Unfortunately, I think that Sutton is suffering from tunnel vision to try and get these 3 cases to fit together. This has resulted in this crazy assassin, hit job theory; Abdul Khawaja worked with different hitmen to kill Lynda and Eve. Ergo different DNA samples. Coincidentally, the hitman from Eve's murder also killed Lynne on his own volition some other time? Occam's Razor is not always correct, but it does seem a little outlandish to me.

In my opinion, the murder of Eve and Lynne scream lone Anger Rapist/killer.

Now, The Sun article does have some interesting points.

Interesting point #1:

There were two sets of DNA on Eve. One was Semen and a different one was on the bindings?

Why would this be the case?

1) There were two killers - One sexually assualted her and the other tied her up;

2) One set of DNA is from someone unrelated to Eve's murder:

The first set of DNA was found on the bindings. The ankle bindings were stockings and the wrist binding was a scarf. Was the DNA found on both bindings or just one? Did the killer bring these with them or were they Eves/already in her house. Could DNA on the scarf be from someone unrelated? What was the source of the DNA on this item? If it is blood (maybe killer cut themselves stabbing Eve?), then this would make it more likely that the DNA sample is the killers. If the sample is sweat or skin cells, then maybe it was left at a previous time by someone unrelated who wore the scarf? The latter being true would imply that the killer's DNA is the semen sample. However, this does not make the scarf sample useless, as it may be possible to link the owner of the scarf to the killer some how.

If there was only one assailant and the binding DNA sample is the killers, then perhaps Eve had sex at some other time during that day. According to Wikipedia, she met her agent and then a promotional company (?) before going home. Unfortunately, this was an era where the casting couch was prominent. I would like to get the DNA from the agent and whoever she saw at the promotional company to rule them out.

I would also like to know the source of the DNA from Lynne's case. Was it semen?

Interesting point #2:

In a lot of the articles and interviews about the Playboy club, we get fed the whole idea that "girls were not allowed to date or give numbers to customers." However, I think we see more of the truth in The Sun article. In some ways (or for some people at least) it was more like a hostess bar. In the club everything was above board, but I guess the right clients with the right amount of power could negotiate dates and maybe more outside of the club. It seems that this may have been Khawaja's unofficial role.

My friend worked at a Japanese style hostess club years ago. In the club, it was just conversation and flirting, but ownership would encourage outside dates with rich clients because this would keep them coming back to the club.

If all of this is true, then I say the following with no judgement. Eve may have been entertaining people outside of the club. The article says she dined with Khawaja the night before her murder. Also, she was serving a 3 month suspension from her job at the Playboy club because of her Mayfair Cover. Even if she was not doing this type of thing during her time at the club, maybe she felt financial pressure to do it because she did not have a steady income anymore.

i agree. i respect DI sutton as a detective, but i dont buy farrow was killed by the same man who killed stratford and weedon. yes, farrow had her throat cut like stratford, but farrow was not sexual assaulted like stratford and weedon were. also farrow was pregnant at the time of her murder. i think her husband hired someone to kill her.

 

[tes1984]

i respect DI sutton as a detective, but i dont buy farrow was killed by the same man who killed stratford and weedon.

Colin Sutton's theory is based around Abdul being close friends with both Stratford and Farrow.

Two women killed in a very unusual way, and a prime suspect for victim A is also a close friend of victim B...

 

[lee sumner]

Colin Sutton's theory is based around Abdul being close friends with both Stratford and Farrow.

Two women killed in a very unusual way, and a prime suspect for victim A is also a close friend of victim B...

DNA cleared abdul years ago, or so i thought. Lf daughters might have been mistaken when shown that photo of monty. Lf was being watched by certain people. clearly Lf husband was behind her brutal murder. iam baffled sutton thinks there is a link with stratford/weedon cases.

 

[tes1984]

DNA cleared abdul years ago, or so i thought.

I think he was more of a fixer, than an actual enforcer.

Lf daughters might have been mistaken when shown that photo of monty.

Agree, and I would have preferred a photo line up, rather than a yes/no based on one photo.

Lf was being watched by certain people. clearly Lf husband was behind her brutal murder.

IMO it's a good theory, but it's not certain.

iam baffled sutton thinks there is a link with stratford/weedon cases.

He might be wrong, but he's basing things on his extensive experience. I'm 50/50 if there is a link, but from an investigative perspective, it make sense to presume that there is one. Eg. It's easier to look for common links with three crimes, than with two.