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(The easiest way to get AMW off the list of succession would be to make him become Catholic, if the Catholic Church would want him.)

RSBM

With due respect
Catholic Church is NOT a dumping site.
Let Church of England and Monarchy resolve the matter of succession as it is their problem.

Just saying as a Catholic hehehe ;)

Besides,
I'm not sure this person belongs to any Church.
Church is community of the Faithful.
It is not a Club.

JMO

Ooops!
What about the Church of Flying Spaghetti for a certain individual??? 🫢

Provided,
they would agree, that is.
 
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The bar on Catholics was removed at the same time as the rule on male primogeniture in 2013 or 2015, but I don't believe the change was retrospective.
Partly. A Catholic cannot be in line, but their non Catholic decedents can be. Conviction of a crime is not a bar from being monarch.
 
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LONDON — King Charles III’ s brother was under arrest. Police were searching two royal properties, and news commentators were endlessly discussing the details of a sex scandal with tentacles that stretched to the gates of Buckingham Palace.

So how did Britain’s Royal Family spend Thursday afternoon? The king sat in the front row on the first day of London Fashion Week. Queen Camilla attended a lunchtime concert, and Princess Anne visited a prison.

The decision to continue normal royal duties was more than just an example of British stoicism in the face of the monarchy’s biggest crisis in almost a century. It was the opening act of the House of Windsor’s fight for survival as the arrest of the former Prince Andrew threatens to undermine public backing for the monarchy.

After pledging to support the police investigation into his brother’s friendship with the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, the king stressed his intentions.

“My family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all,” he said in a statement signed “Charles R.,” using the abbreviation for Rex, the Latin word for king.

Mountbatten-Windsor’s arrest is not tied to ongoing allegations of sexual misconduct on his part, but it is related to revelations in the Epstein filesthat the royal sent trade reports to Jeffrey Epstein in 2010, while he was working for the British government. Thames Valley Police arrested King Charles’ brother on his 66th birthday on “suspicion of misconduct in public office.” He has been released under investigation, and the photograph of him leaving the police station made front page headlines across the U.K. on Friday. The impact of Mountbatten-Windsor’s arrest extends beyond the U.K.’s borders, however, making international news, and an Epstein investigative reporter tells Rolling Stone the arrest of a royal can be seen as a sign that, at least outside of the States, nobody is above the law
 
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Here is my question.....Why have there been no arrests, other the Maxwell person, in the United States? People cannot just walk away from this without consequences. Right?
 
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Here is my question.....Why have there been no arrests, other the Maxwell person, in the United States? People cannot just walk away from this without consequences. Right?
A lot of the people have had business dealings with Epstein, but did not socialize with him.
 
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A lot of the people have had business dealings with Epstein, but did not socialize with him.
I agree and had no one person in mind by saying that. However, do we honestly believe that Epstein only trafficked to other countries? No one in the United States participated in this crime? I highly doubt that.
Additionally, I worked in business for 25 years. I had a lot of business dealings with people that I socialized with. Sometimes business deals and social events went hand in hand.
 
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I’d like to know what happens to Beatrice and Eugenie if Andrew is removed. Do they go too and their children?
Yes. All Andy's descendants will me scratched out too.
 
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I guess it's similar to getting Al Capone for tax evasion since no other charges could stick.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it. (Although Capone had been in and out of the can, it was the feds and BS Prohibition charges that were screwing up... Like Diddy, it would've been better had the feds stayed out of it and let the states do their jobs.) Not long before Prohibition, up to 75% of federal tax revenue came from alcohol. Within a few years of each other, the feds passed Prohibition and the income tax, both of which instantly turned the innocent into criminals. Simultaneously, the feds essentially created Al Capone, creating the market he thrived in that they couldn't control and the victimless crime that took him down (the latter replacing a voluntary tax that had been funding the government sufficiently with one that effectively resurrected debtors prisons for one privileged collector). Similar to Andrew's case, rather than justice, tax evasion became a Lifetime Achievement Award and a reason for the government to boast, "We got him," despite their failures in convicting him of his most heinous crimes (had it not been for syphilis, he was young enough that he could've killed more people once he got out). A Lifetime Achievement Award isn't a substitute for justice. You either have ample evidence of a crime or you don't.
 
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A lot of the people have had business dealings with Epstein, but did not socialize with him.
There are probably also a lot more who socialised with him on a one-off or very occasional basis at charity or political fundraisers, red carpet events and suchlike. It may take some time to work out exactly who was involved with him on a questionable basis and who merely interacted with him tangentally.
 
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Yes. All Andy's descendants will me scratched out too.
No. His children and grandchildren will remain in the line of succession. They're not proposing to pass an Act of Attainder!
 
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…Concerns extended beyond temperament. Financial and security advisers to the royal family raised objections to dozens of proposals he brought forward as trade envoy, many of which were blocked over fears of reputational, financial or security harm, according to the former security official.

“There were an endless number of deals that had to be killed,” the former official said, describing a constant stream of “flaky transactions that he produced while in that role that had to be kiboshed because they were so fraught with security issues.”

“They all involved shady people with shady propositions,” the former official said, noting that Andrew and Mandelson met Epstein together on more than one occasion. “This whole notion of sharing information with him — it’s no coincidence that both gentlemen now are facing the same dilemma,” the former official added…

Among the most contentious episodes during his time as trade envoy was the sale of Mountbatten-Windsor’s marital home, Sunninghill Park, a wedding gift from Queen Elizabeth II.

For five years it sat unsold on the market. Then, suddenly, in 2007, it sold for about $20 million — $4 million above the asking price — to an offshore company later revealed to be linked to Timur Kulibayev, the billionaire son-in-law of Nursultan Nazarbayev, Kazakhstan’s president at the time.

Kulibayev later stepped down as head of a Kazakh business lobbying group amid allegations of corruption…


 
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When the going gets tough, the tough check into rehab. (Or something like that.)
 
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As ex-Prince Andrew was driven out of a police station after spending his 66th birthday in custody, the disgraced royal’s complete downfall was almost complete. With the threat of prison looming over his head, the favorite son of the late Queen Elizabeth II has also dragged down pretty much everyone around him, from his brother, King Charles, to the British monarchy itself
 
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