GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[Alyce]

They have been out a long time, I wonder what the problem is, if any?

I think they just took an early lunch, due back at 2pm. Perhaps the next bunch of witnesses are all character witnesses and Defence wanted to have them all on at the same time ?

 

[Florrie]

Howling with laughter at the last one.


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[Milenalee]

Thanks, Alyce.
Yes, finding a conveyancer was clearly a problem Helen had solved, and no assumptions about the Royston property can be made on the basis of them. Thanks for the additional info.

We most likely will never know. But she does talk about it being a mistake to leave London so I could well imagine her telling IS that she would use the proceeds of the sale of the flat for a deposit on a place in London. That she'd like to move back after the wedding....and so he decides to end her life rather than deal with the conflict. He likes living with his sons. Maybe the drugging at first was simply to be sure he could do things in her name and then claim she did it between naps. Then he realized he could just be done with her and have the house and money all for himself.


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[JudgeJudi]

What? Alongside the tiny mobiles?

Hahaha. I think you need to read the following. Unbelievable!

“Phones up bums are frequently reported in the news. Last summer, for instance, a guy beginning a 16-month stretch for fraud was found with a phone, plus charger, up his arse. This February, a triple killer in a New South Wales maximum security prison went on hunger strike for 12 days in an attempt not to eject a phone detected by a BOSS unit (the phone eventually emerged on the 25th of February). A year before that, the bumhole of a guy being admitted to HMP Manchester was found to contain four mobiles, four sim cards and four chargers. Then there's André Silva, whose anus was the portal to an Aladdin's Cave of contraband: according to one report, Silva's back passage contained "two mobile phones, two batteries, pliers, two drills, eight pieces of a hacksaw, five nails and three SIM cards”.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/prison-phones-that-go-up-your-bum

The following relates to Silva:

“On arrival at the prison, the man presented guards with a medical certificate which claimed he had a pacemaker and was therefore exempt from passing through the facility’s x-ray machine”.

In an innuendo-laden statement, the Secretariat for Prison Administration said authorities had “opened an internal procedure to determine what happened.”

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/be_amazed_at_the_amount_of_booty_one_man_hid_up_his_ass

 

[Duchy]

Hearing resumes after lunch break

The case has been called back on. Jurors are now coming in.

 

[Tortoise]

We most likely will never know. But she does talk about it being a mistake to leave London so I could well imagine her telling IS that she would use the proceeds of the sale of the flat for a deposit on a place in London. That she'd like to move back after the wedding....and so he decides to end her life rather than deal with the conflict. He likes living with his sons. Maybe the drugging at first was simply to be sure he could do things in her name and then claim she did it between naps. Then he realized he could just be done with her and have the house and money all for himself.


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I think this normalises something that no normal person would ever consider.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

RSBM

Hahaha. I think you need to read the following. Unbelievable!

There must be a lot of money to be made for these phones and tools? Or their lives are at stake? But this really exemplifies the saying, where there's a will, there's a way! :butthead:

 

[Duchy]

Someone doing updates?

 

[snoopydog]

Someone doing updates?

I can't sorry I'm at work so checking this on the fly [emoji48]


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[Cherwell]

There must be a lot of money to be made for these phones and tools? Or their lives are at stake? But this really exemplifies the saying, where there's a will, there's a way! :butthead:

He's so that there wouldn't be room for anything else up there.

 

[cottonweaver]

Angela John.

The next witness will be Angela John. Mrs John made a statement to police on April 27 relating to Helen Bailey, who she believed to be missing.

“I had seen Helen walking the dog on the main road where she lived in Royston on numerous occasions once a month, then I saw a newspaper article saying who she was. “I didn’t even know where she lived at this time. “There was an article in the Royston Crow with a picture of her when her latest book came out, and I thought ‘oh that’s the lady who walks the dachshund’. “Once I found out she was an author I was going to ask her for pointers for my grandchild but I never saw her again.”

“About a year/18 months ago I saw Helen up by the fire station further up the road from where we live with a tall thin man. She seemed quite animated with him, quite happy. They both had raincoats on. He was very smart.”

“The day I last saw Helen Bailey was April 11, in the afternoon, between 3.40pm and 3.50pm. “I saw her about 20/30 foot away from her house gate. The dog on a lead was with her. “Her neighbour had a very tall wooden fence erected, Helen was silhouetted against that. “As I was approaching her I thought ‘Oh that’s Helen I haven’t seen her in ages’. “Then I thought she would get wet as it started drizzling. “There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

 

[Alyce]

Mmm, this is all very interesting

 

[cottonweaver]

PS I know some people enjoy doing them - so please do go for it and do the updates instead.

 

[Tortoise]

Cherwell where do you find them.

 

[Duchy]

“There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

No way.

 

[cottonweaver]

Mrs John is now being cross examined by the prosecution.


She admits that she became aware there was a missing person’s inquiry - and police did a door to door inquiry. “I said yes I thought I had seen Helen, then a police officer came to get a statement.”

Mrs Jones confirms she had seen Helen any number of times walking along the road.
Prosecutor Stuart Trimmer asks: “You first spoke to police, then they came back to take a statement?”
Mrs John: “Yes, they haven’t been back since.”

 

[Ironside]

What time did Nick and Joe visit on the 11th?

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[Cherwell]

“There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

No way.

Ghosts!

 

[Duchy]

She must have changed her clothes a lot that day.

 

[cottonweaver]

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before

Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No”