UK UK - Jack O'Sullivan, 22, left friends after night out, last seen Brunel Lock Road/Brunel Way, Bristol at 3.15am, 2 Mar 2024

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On this one, I do believe someone knows something. MOO.
Of course they do and it does not help at all that not everybody who attended the party has been interviewed. Police interviewed a few, the private investigator hired by his family interviewed a few others, but not 100% of them have been interviewed and what happened in that party (the pushing, him hitting the head on the stairs, etc) is key to know why he left the party on his own and in what state of mind he was.
 
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I don’t think this is likely..

If someone took his phone..did they know the PIN number? You can answer calls without a pin .. but you can’t play/stream a video…

It’s way too suspicious that the phone was pinging from a point very very very near the direction he was last heading on cctv.

It’s not impossible for a man to pick him up/offer him refuge and ghb drug him.. & later river dump him. I have a feeling this has been done before in Bristol..

The cops (and everyone one) else just assumes “drowned” without picking everything else apart!

A purpretrator would never in a million years have known how close the family was and how his mum would be onto his disappearance from the time she woke up at 5.30am!! Probably thought him just another student whose disappearance would set off alarm bells in a few days .. not hours!

After his phone being off a while that location ping would have never have been seen!!! So it’s possible a student from any other family would have no location ping to see and the cops would do the old tried and tested “he fell in the river.”

The closeness of the mum to her son makes this case extremely intriguing… the cops have definitely underestimated her!
 
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Of course they do and it does not help at all that not everybody who attended the party has been interviewed. Police interviewed a few, the private investigator hired by his family interviewed a few others, but not 100% of them have been interviewed and what happened in that party (the pushing, him hitting the head on the stairs, etc) is key to know why he left the party on his own and in what state of mind he was.
I agree the “key” bit is h.o.w he left..
“without saying goodbye” to the girl who he knew..
Which was out of character..

Regardless of falling, being in an altercation, and not knowing many people there..if he had said to her “bye I’m off” he could have had enough of the situation & left but the fact he left in a way that was out of character (without saying anything) is a very very good indication of his state of mind…

Pissed off/angry.

He would be walking and clearing his his head.. deep in thought I often walk /drive around in circles miss turns off etc..

I would definitely assume suicide if his phone hadn’t pinged at a residential address.

I think it’s foul play.

At about 4am it would have been 0 degrees.. he would have been more likely to accept a ride or warm house.
 
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I live in Bristol and have been following this case closely, hoping they find answers for Jack's family.

To me, the odd features in this case are:

1. Why Jack was wandering around the bypass road network in a direction which makes no sense; and

2. His phone activity.

It has never made sense to me that Jack would leave the party to try to get a taxi. Hailing a taxi on the road is very rare in Bristol - everyone orders Ubers. I would think it would be almost impossible to hail a taxi from the roadside on Hotwells Road, and absolutely impossible on the bypass roads across the river where he was wandering. The bypass road is a 40mph road with no stopping areas.

Ordering an Uber is far easier and more successful from a fixed location, eg the party. It doesn't make sense to leave the location of the party (in the warm) to try to get an Uber to pick you up from the roadside.

The only evidence we have that he was going to get a taxi home is his text/WhatsApp to his mum at 1.52am. But then he doesn't actually leave until c3am. Why? Probably because he wanted to reassure his mum, and he was having a good time. We know in the intervening period he falls down some stairs, bangs his head and shoves someone he doesn't know who mocks him. To me, these are the actions of a young man who is drunk and/or high - no criticism of him here, he's a student and it is to be expected at parties. I don't necessarily trust the word of other party goers who were also drunk/high that he was lucid.

So then when he leaves the party, what are his intentions? To get a taxi home, or to go to his brother's house a short walk away in Clifton? If he was going to get a taxi, surely he'd have ordered an Uber on his phone, but if he was going to his brother's, wouldn't he have messaged him to check he was in as he presumably didn't have a key?

This takes me onto my theory (which is MOO) that he may have lost his phone at the party between 1.52am and 3am, and left the party without his phone. The phone remains at the party or is taken by somebody who had been at the party with him. When his friend messages him, someone sees his phone light up. When she calls, they then answer and say "Hello". The reason there is no road noise is because the phone isn't with Jack on the bypass, it's inside someone's house. Maybe someone then has an attack of conscience and suggests calling Jack's In Case of Emergency number (his mum) to reunite him. With no response, they watch a video on his phone until the battery runs out. The next morning / afternoon with a hangover / come down, they hear that Jack is missing and realise it doesn't look great that they have his phone, and destroy it.

I know this is speculation, but bearing in mind the facts we do know, it seems to me to be more logical that a drunk/high student left his phone at a party than the other options.

The question is then, of course, what happened to poor Jack.

I do not believe that he was trying to hail a cab. If he was, he'd have headed East along Hotwells road towards the Harbour side / Corn St, where he may have had a chance. He would not have headed straight for the bypass. His route does start off looking like he intended to walk back to Flax Bourton, which is a c2 hour walk, at 3am, in icy/snowy conditions. Perhaps he got as far as Brunel Lock road, realised that was not going to work, and headed back on himself over Brunel Way towards his brother's house?

If so, the last CCTV we have of him is walking in broadly the right direction (albeit a round about way, perhaps due to the lack of Google maps) straight towards the lock over the water. There are no barriers around this lock, and in my experience the path can be slippy as it doesn't get much footfall in bad weather. It unfortunately seems most likely to me that he fell in the water. This seems more likely to me than him coming to harm at the hands of someone else, in an area with heavy traffic and as a young fit man.
I’m wondering if his phone has become damaged during the course of the evening.
Cracked screen /water damage/ repeatedly dropped could cause:

Inability to click on Uber app order taxi?
Problems answering call from friend?
Inability to use Apple or google maps?

This has happen to me so many times .. a crack on the wrong section of screen makes it impossible to click on certain apps/ letters in keyboard. I think his was iPhone 14 so the screen wouldn’t have been the strongest.

And importantly this could been the reason why his mother was able to see the exact location of jack at the party but then only ‘approximate location’ of last his last ping (at the address on granby hill).

I looked into it and Apple just refer back to the privacy setting but I know for a fact one of my phones has the setting correct I routinely check it & update software etc and because its been dropped so many times the location varies from accurate to ‘approximate’ often (unlike my newer phone) so the gps signal has obviously been damaged…
 
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I’m wondering if his phone has become damaged during the course of the evening.
Cracked screen /water damage/ repeatedly dropped could cause:

Inability to click on Uber app order taxi?
Problems answering call from friend?
Inability to use Apple or google maps?

This has happen to me so many times .. a crack on the wrong section of screen makes it impossible to click on certain apps/ letters in keyboard. I think his was iPhone 14 so the screen wouldn’t have been the strongest.

And importantly this could been the reason why his mother was able to see the exact location of jack at the party but then only ‘approximate location’ of last his last ping (at the address on granby hill).

I looked into it and Apple just refer back to the privacy setting but I know for a fact one of my phones has the setting correct I routinely check it & update software etc and because its been dropped so many times the location varies from accurate to ‘approximate’ often (unlike my newer phone) so the gps signal has obviously been damaged…

Jack had an iPhone 11, according to Find Jack

I'm more inclined to believe the location might have been off because of the area's terrain or poor coverage. Can a local chime in with whether the area is known to have reception issues.

Starting with the iPhone 11, Apple added the U1 chip, which is used by its AirTag hardware to increase location accuracy. If Jack was using an older phone model (or an iPhone SE second or third generation), the inaccuracy could be chalked up to that.
 
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“Police have confirmed that they believe he was still using his phone for around the next hour after the last confirmed sighting on CCTV, but the later pings to and from his phone up until around 6am were automated”
 
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There seems to be very few council cctv’s Granby end of the river .. heading towards Clifton bridge...with large sections having no coverage at all.

It’s interesting that this is public knowledge and freely available…

I wonder if these are routinely monitored daily in an office somewhere or the footage just pulled on a needs basis..(ie police request etc).
 
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“Police have confirmed that they believe he was still using his phone for around the next hour after the last confirmed sighting on CCTV, but the later pings to and from his phone up until around 6am were automated”
This means there’s no way it could be in water until it stops pinging..6/6.40am
 
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I feel so sorry for Jack's mum. If it's true that police have not followed up leads that could have found Jack alive and well much earlier, it's absolutely disgusting!
Yes I’m with you. Just seems zero interest sadly So sad for her I can’t imagine her pain.
 
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I don’t think those sightings were Jack if they are from 3 March onwards. I think if he was alive and able, he would contact his family. I don’t think the article states dates of these sightings? Sadly I don’t think he is alive.
 
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I feel so sorry for Jack's mum. If it's true that police have not followed up leads that could have found Jack alive and well much earlier, it's absolutely disgusting!
I feel incredibly sorry for his parents.

However, police resources at the moment are so finite - A male going missing after a night out near water only tends to end one way I’m afraid so they don’t tend to get resources thrown there way.

I do hope this family get some news regarding Jack soon as I can’t begin to imagine there pain.
 
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