UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

[CGMK]

She may have visually disturbed him cutting the glass to get in and he smashed it to get to her quickly...

 

[Cedars]

I don't think PB needed to change anything to suit his theory. Unfortunately girls and women of all ages were murdered in the UK in the 90s. A lot of offenders are also very versatile in terms of victimology.

A woman murder victim in her 40s or 50s is sadly not that unusual.

Judith Gold, Christine McGovern, Joy Hewer, Linda Chandler, Marion Ross and of course Carolanne Jackson were all similar ages to Janet Bell.

Yes, I should have clarified 'crimes of passion'. And I stated 'predominantly' not 'always'.

 

[HollyHunter9]

I'm wondering if the killer had rendered janet unconscious with a blow to the head while upstairs in the bedroom. Then while the killer is in the shower, she comes round, makes a run for the front door and hits the alarm. The killer catches up to her and blugeons her again with the fatal blows (this is why the injuries shows blows from two different angles). During the 2nd attack the handcuff keys fall out of the killers pocket and they don't realise janet ends up on top of them. This would mean the alarm wasn't going off for entire duration but rather towards the end of the attack.

 

[tes1984]

There's 101 possibilities for what might have happened. Like with Suzy Lamplugh, Janice Weston etc it seems impossible to work out an accurate timeline of events.

 

[Cedars]

I'm wondering if the killer had rendered janet unconscious with a blow to the head while upstairs in the bedroom. Then while the killer is in the shower, she comes round, makes a run for the front door and hits the alarm. The killer catches up to her and blugeons her again with the fatal blows (this is why the injuries shows blows from two different angles). During the 2nd attack the handcuff keys fall out of the killers pocket and they don't realise janet ends up on top of them. This would mean the alarm wasn't going off for entire duration but rather towards the end of the attack.

I agree that's a possible scenario, some kind of desperate attempt to save herself after tape had been applied, that surprised the perp and so that lead to his violent blows.

It also explains why she was found at the bottom of the stairs but there was tape in her bedroom... and also the panic button maybe not having been set off at the beginning...

JMO

 

[tes1984]

It seems from watching the Crimewatch video and reading news reports on the 25th-year and 30th-year anniversaries of this crime that LE at this point believes the path with the greatest likelihood of solving this depends upon two sources of information: (1) LE wants whoever made the two anonymous calls to LE ten months after the murder (or anyone that person may have shared information with) to come forward to be interviewed. LE believed that anonymous caller had very relevant information. (2) LE will use DNA collected from the crime scene to determine if whoever that tip points to is the perpetrator.

The first phone call was made to Aylesbury Police Station at 9.10pm on Saturday 3rd Feb 1996.

The second call was an answerphone message to Maidenhead Police Station on Tuesday 27th Feb 1996.

Aylesbury is approximately 14 miles to the north of Radnage. Maidenhead is approximately 20 miles south of Radnage.

 

[Diddian]

The first phone call was made to Aylesbury Police Station at 9.10pm on Saturday 3rd Feb 1996.

The second call was an answerphone message to Maidenhead Police Station on Tuesday 27th Feb 1996.

Aylesbury is approximately 14 miles to the north of Radnage. Maidenhead is approximately 20 miles south of Radnage.

Do you know if these phone calls followed an appeal from LE to the public for any information any person might have that could potentially be relevant? Or, were they entirely unsolicited?

 

[forensicswannabe]

The more I read and think about this case the more sad it makes me poor Janet went through such a horrible ordeal and to be suffocated and bludgeoned over 10 times I can't imagine how horrific that was for her I really hope they find who has done this but at the moment I can't see how but I live in hope.

 

[skylersymmer]

I'm wondering if the killer had rendered janet unconscious with a blow to the head while upstairs in the bedroom. Then while the killer is in the shower, she comes round, makes a run for the front door and hits the alarm. The killer catches up to her and blugeons her again with the fatal blows (this is why the injuries shows blows from two different angles). During the 2nd attack the handcuff keys fall out of the killers pocket and they don't realise janet ends up on top of them. This would mean the alarm wasn't going off for entire duration but rather towards the end of the attack.

I definitely believe that there were two seperate attacks to Janet. I feel like the evidence points to this

 

[HollyHunter9]

Another thing that stood out to me from the crimewatch video appeal was one of the duct tapes taken to the property was a heavy duty one, not a standard one. They said it was mainly used to repair greenhouses and garden closhes. With a big house and garden that size and only janet & the daughter living there I'm wondering if they had a regular gardener and whether the police have investigated/ excluded such a person?

 

[Cedars]

I definitely believe that there were two seperate attacks to Janet. I feel like the evidence points to this

Makes sense.

Some thoughts concerning a plan to strike an initial blow to knock someone unconscious, but not kill them:
-it goes well with bringing handcuffs
-it goes well with cutting the glass because it usually involves sneaking up on the person
- if the victim is aware of the attacker coming, they will normally try to run, lock doors, knock stuff over, throw things, dodge, etc, so there will usually be a mess, as well as defensive bruises etc as they protect their head. Maybe there is evidence of this and police aren't revealing it...

JMO

 

[forensicswannabe]

Does anyone here think that Janet's murderer also killed Carolanne Jackson in 1997? The crimes do seem similar.

 

[Cedars]

Does anyone here think that Janet's murderer also killed Carolanne Jackson in 1997? The crimes do seem similar.

That crime scene, as I read it, reminded me of the unsolved case of a couple murdered in Florida, apparently for her very flash diamond ring. In that case, both were tied to chairs, and suffocated. From DNA and some footage, the police know that crime was committed by two women!

Hallandale PD Has High Tech Update On Canadian Couple's Murder

More than three years after the bodies of Canadian snowbirds David Pichosky and Rochelle Wise were found in a Hallandale beach condo, police are set to release new information in the unsolved murders.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[tes1984]

I'm wondering if the killer had rendered janet unconscious with a blow to the head while upstairs in the bedroom. Then while the killer is in the shower, she comes round, makes a run for the front door and hits the alarm. The killer catches up to her and blugeons her again with the fatal blows (this is why the injuries shows blows from two different angles). During the 2nd attack the handcuff keys fall out of the killers pocket and they don't realise janet ends up on top of them. This would mean the alarm wasn't going off for entire duration but rather towards the end of the attack.

JMO but I doubt this happened. The change in angles is more likely Janet shifting position whilst badly injured/left for dead. I think all the bludgeoning took place very very close to where she was found.

I can't see Janet being bludgeoned in the bedroom. Handcuffed and bound perhaps, but not rendered unconscious.

I also can't see Janet making a run for it. She was bound before she was bludgeoned and wouldn't have been able to see where she was going. She was also presumably handcuffed before the actual murder (unless the handcuffs were somehow part of the staging post offence).

 

[tes1984]

That crime scene, as I read it, reminded me of the unsolved case of a couple murdered in Florida, apparently for her very flash diamond ring. In that case, both were tied to chairs, and suffocated. From DNA and some footage, the police know that crime was committed by two women!

Hallandale PD Has High Tech Update On Canadian Couple's Murder

More than three years after the bodies of Canadian snowbirds David Pichosky and Rochelle Wise were found in a Hallandale beach condo, police are set to release new information in the unsolved murders.

www.cbsnews.com

IIRC (and for what it's worth) a psychic told the parents of Carolanne Jackson that one of Carolanne's murderers was a woman.

 

[HollyHunter9]

JMO but I doubt this happened. The change in angles is more likely Janet shifting position whilst badly injured/left for dead. I think all the bludgeoning took place very very close to where she was found.

I can't see Janet being bludgeoned in the bedroom. Handcuffed and bound perhaps, but not rendered unconscious.

I also can't see Janet making a run for it. She was bound before she was bludgeoned and wouldn't have been able to see where she was going. She was also presumably handcuffed before the actual murder (unless the handcuffs were somehow part of the staging post offence).

I think I just keep trying various different scenarios in my head because none of it makes any sense.

Another possibility is that there was two attackers, not one, hence two different angles.

 

[tes1984]

Actually I'm not sure if Janet's eyes were actually covered by the tape, so she may have been able to see her captor. Obviously being able to see where you're going would make navigating stairs or an escape attempt more feasible.

 

[HollyHunter9]

Actually I'm not sure if Janet's eyes were actually covered by the tape, so she may have been able to see her captor. Obviously being able to see where you're going would make navigating stairs or an escape attempt more feasible.

I suppose if the tape were wrapped around her head quickly during the attack there may have been small sections where she could see slightly? And she likely knew the layout of her home well enough to navigate out of the bedroom and down the stairs even if unable to fully see?

 

[tes1984]

Do you know if these phone calls followed an appeal from LE to the public for any information any person might have that could potentially be relevant? Or, were they entirely unsolicited?

I don't think the calls were a direct response to an appeal. The second call was also over three weeks after the initial call.

They must have a recording of the second call (an answerphone message) so I'm surprised the call has never been made public. Someone might recognise the voice.

 

[HollyHunter9]

I don't think the calls were a direct response to an appeal. The second call was also over three weeks after the initial call.

They must have a recording of the second call (an answerphone message) so I'm surprised the call has never been made public. Someone might recognise the voice.

Yes thats a good point about recognising the voice. I get the feeling the police are holding quite a lot of info back (not only about the calls but also the murder/murder scene) so that one day someone will say something that only the killer would know and that info along with the DNA will be how they confirm it.