UK UK- Janet Brown, 51, research nurse, found nude, gagged, handcuffed & bludgeoned to death, @ home, Buckinghamshire,10 April '95, *DNA, new initiative*

[HollyHunter9]

Janet's head was wrapped with the tape before she was killed. The pathologist said she would have died of suffocation, even if she hadn't been bludgeoned.

This suggests that the killer enjoyed watching her struggle for a prolonged period.

Presumably the killer had bludgeoning in mind (as he brought a blunt object with him) in which case wrapping/binding Janet's head could also have been something of an attempt to minimise bloodier splatter.

Ah ok, thanks I missed that detail but read that her ankles had been taped but the tape removed after.

I think poor janet was tortured for a while first and this what the killer got off on. It's quite scary that the person that did this is still out there possibly still living amongst us.

 

[HollyHunter9]

I think Janet was a nurse by profession, but IIRC her job at the university was research based, rather than hands on. I'm not certain, but I suspect she would have been able to wear regular clothes.

For all we know the killer had more than one set of handcuffs in his kit bag. Same way he could have had a gun, a torch, a change of clothes etc...

Yes that's a good point actually about the handcuffs and there being possibly more with him. Back in 1995 where would you even buy handcuffs with a key? It's not like they had Amazon and could buy online.

 

[tes1984]

Yes that's a good point actually about the handcuffs and there being possibly more with him. Back in 1995 where would you even buy handcuffs with a key? It's not like they had Amazon and could buy online.

I don't think handcuffs were difficult to buy. IIRC the ones at the crime scene were quite common. I think there was a lively market amongst private security, military wannabes and consenting adults .

The handcuffs seem quite the mystery. If the husband doesn't recall perhaps seeing them years earlier, then would we even be debating if they belonged to the killer? In any case, they seem out of place in the Brown's seemingly perfect home.

 

[Konstantin]

I don't think handcuffs were difficult to buy. IIRC the ones at the crime scene were quite common. I think there was a lively market amongst private security, military wannabes and consenting adults .

The handcuffs seem quite the mystery. If the husband doesn't recall perhaps seeing them years earlier, then would we even be debating if they belonged to the killer? In any case, they seem out of place in the Brown's seemingly perfect home.

Even if Janet and her husband had some years before, they would presumably have been packed away somewhere well out of sight and hard to find and perhaps Janet herself would not have known or forgotten where they were. They would not have been handy on a bedside table. Her room wasn't ransacked was it? It's more likely the killer brought them with him to restrain Janet and as part of his fantasy of control. I don't honestly understand why the police thought this wasn't sexual.

IIRC the police officer on the crimewatch episode mentioned something about the type of handcuffs being commonly available.

 

[skylersymmer]

I think it's interesting that the internal alarm was still ringing in the morning when the builders discovered her body, did the killer not know how to disable this one? As the external one we know goes off after 20 minutes, heard by the neighbour. A theory I have is that she is was getting ready for bed, perhaps getting ready to shower hence her state of undress and still wearing jewellery, when she was attacked. I wonder if after an initial attack in the bedroom, she waited some time maybe even hours and thought the burglar/attacker had left, and after going downstairs to get help(maybe this is when she used the panic button in her room) was caught out at the bottom of the stairs, the attacker still there, who then finished by bludgeoning her.

 

[tes1984]

I think it's interesting that the internal alarm was still ringing in the morning when the builders discovered her body, did the killer not know how to disable this one? As the external one we know goes off after 20 minutes, heard by the neighbour. A theory I have is that she is was getting ready for bed, perhaps getting ready to shower hence her state of undress and still wearing jewellery, when she was attacked. I wonder if after an initial attack in the bedroom, she waited some time maybe even hours and thought the burglar/attacker had left, and after going downstairs to get help(maybe this is when she used the panic button in her room) was caught out at the bottom of the stairs, the attacker still there, who then finished by bludgeoning her.

I'm not sure about the alarms, but I think Janet was found wearing much more jewellery than she would normally have worn.

Who knows what actually happened? An escape attempt is anpossibility, but I don't think Janet would have waited for hours to try and get to the front door.

 

[Deleted member 339775]

Apologies if we’ve already been over this but somewhere on this thread it was mentioned that they were after a quick sale on their house- any idea why they were seemingly in a rush?

 

[tes1984]

IIRC they had been trying to sell for a while, and had finally agreed a sale, but there was an issue with substidence putting everything in jeopardy. I think the Browns had to complete the building work by a certain date or the deal would be off.

The Browns were moving to Canada, which opens up a new can of worms. Janet and her husband would finally be living together full time, after years apart.

I have no idea what the exact timeframe was, but presumably Janet would have had to give notice from her 'serious' job. There's no mention that it was her last week at work, or anything like that. Roxane was also due to sit her A levels in 2-3 months time, so not sure if she was going to Canada too, or remaining in England for a few months, or even permanently. Roxane seemed settled, with lots of friends, so I wonder what her views on a Canada move were.

 

[Hustling01]

Has the police looked at the builders? They had access to the house and would know the family for a while im sure they chatted to the women of the house

 

[Hustling01]

The glass cutting is completely bizarre. A burglar would usually only make a hole big enough to put his hand through. He doesn't need to climb through, just to get to the door lock.

Presumably Janet pressed the panic alarm in her bedroom as the killer was breaking in. She may have been frozen in fright and stayed in her bedroom until he got there.

The alarm system had two parts. An external alarm which rang for twenty minutes, and an internal alarm which continued ringing until it was deactivated, or the battery ran out. The killer seems to have left the internal alarm ringing for about two hours.

Why didn't he care that it was ringing? Did he know that the alarm wasn't the type linked to a security company who would respond? Or did he just think the house was so far away from neighbours (200 metres or so) that nobody would hear?

If the alarm is deactivated after two hours, when the killer finally leaves the property, then why doesn't he just deactivate it a long time earlier? Does it take him a long time working out how to switch it off? Or does he enjoy the chaos and panic the sound creates?

our fire alarm goes drives me crazy after a few s

I've just looked up more about carolanne's case and found this very interesting..

Superintendent Alan Partridge, leading the murder investigation, also said there had been other earlier incidents when Ms Jackson had complained about being followed. She was very security-conscious and her home was protected by an alarm system.

Murdered jewellery dealer lived in fear of stalker

A jewellery dealer murdered in her home by an intruder had complained to police at least twice about a stalker, it was disclosed yesterday.

www.independent.co.uk

superintendent Alan Partridge hahhah that name

 

[Hustling01]

Ah ok, thanks I missed that detail but read that her ankles had been taped but the tape removed after.

I think poor janet was tortured for a while first and this what the killer got off on. It's quite scary that the person that did this is still out there possibly still living amongst us.

he would be 30s i reckon so he would be what 65 to 70 now chances are hes still alive

 

[Hustling01]

It sounds a bit ridiculous, and what about those who have died since 1995? A mass exhumation signed off by the Home Secretary? Tough enough to get one body exhumed for testing, let alone dozens or even what if he moved with his family hundreds of miles away you would never find him

 

[Hustling01]

Why dont they look at familier dna or get with the program and use genealogy or allow the use of private dna data websites. I honestly support taking dna from birth and keeping it on file forever. You wouldnt be fitted up because it takes more than just dna to trap you ie your at work

 

[Seni]

Why dont they look at familier dna or get with the program and use genealogy or allow the use of private dna data websites. I honestly support taking dna from birth and keeping it on file forever. You wouldnt be fitted up because it takes more than just dna to trap you ie your at work

Not clear what you mean. Whose familiar DNA should they look at?

 

[trendsetter]

I think the word that you are grasping at is: "familial".

 

[skylersymmer]

Has the police looked at the builders? They had access to the house and would know the family for a while im sure they chatted to the women of the house

they tested the foreign dna found at the scene among 700 local men so I assume the builders would have been included in that and thus cleared

 

[skylersymmer]

I'm not sure about the alarms, but I think Janet was found wearing much more jewellery than she would normally have worn.

Do you have a source that says it was more jewellery than she would normally wear? I've not seen that anywhere ...

 

[skylersymmer]

Who knows what actually happened? An escape attempt is anpossibility, but I don't think Janet would have waited for hours to try and get to the front door.

Also she might have been knocked out in the initial attack and not woken til around 10pm? Or been frozen in fear? I know I would be petrified to move in case they were still in the house

 

[tes1984]

Do you have a source that says it was more jewellery than she would normally wear? I've not seen that anywhere ...

I'm going by memory, but IIRC it was Paul Britton.

 

[tes1984]

they tested the foreign dna found at the scene among 700 local men so I assume the builders would have been included in that and thus cleared

The police made extensive attempts to trace everyone who had viewed the house for sale, or worked on the property.