They tried to find everyone who viewed or worked on the house, but the recent announcement suggested that not all of them may have been DNA tested.yes, true!
did someone say they looked at all the realty visitors?
They tried to find everyone who viewed or worked on the house, but the recent announcement suggested that not all of them may have been DNA tested.yes, true!
did someone say they looked at all the realty visitors?
Just smahing a window would be an afterthought, but he brings and uses a specific device to cut the glass, so must have considered the idea beforehand.This is what I wonder because I do believe it could have been an after thought to throw off what the real motive was and since its been suggested it could have been broken from the inside to make it seem like a burglary but if that is the case then how exactly did he get in the house in the first place?
Thinking it through, I can't believe it was done after the glass was smashed. There would be no conceivable reason to then attempt to enter by cutting.When did he cut the glass/break the window?
Before he had Janet restrained, whilst she lay helpless, or after the murder?
Was it before, during or after?
Do you have a link to the book please? I'd be really interested to read it.I really hope they find this offender soon poor Janet had an horrific death and deserves justice.
The book confirmed that the offender laid on top of her for sometime so this really does seem like a sexually motivated crime led on for the humiliation and fear aspect.
I agree totally with this. I find it odd the police are still insisting on it as a main theory. They took handcuffs with them which shows intent towards restraining someone, nothing was stolen and the alarm blaring did not deter them at all. I really think this is someone who knew full well those alarms were not connected to police or alarm company. This person knew janet and also knew the home and home layout. (They took glass cutting equipment knowing they would have to cut through glass door, if it was random burgler who sneaked round the back to break they could of expected any type of door, wood, pvc...but this intruder was prepared to cut glass!)I agree, I think burglary should be completely ruled out. They may have been trying to make it look like a burglary with the elaborate glass cutting, etc.
This is what I wondered too? The whole glass cutting part is most puzzling. How hard would it be to do? Would you need experience? What about glass cutting tools? Can they be traced? Also why didn't they break the single pane of glass? Surely that would be easier? I can't stop thinking about this case. It really is strange and quite terrifying when you think about what janet probably went through.If they tried cutting the glass, and gave up, wouldn't it be easier to smash the single layer of glass that had already been cut into...?
IIRC, this was a three-door system, with perhaps one operational door and two stationary (or one center stationary door and two operational doors either side of that center door). So, maybe the perpetrator originally attempted to cut an opening large enough to pass his body through the glass of the center stationary door and finding that too time-consuming or difficult, opted to smash through a smaller area of the glass of the operational door to pass only his hand through to reach that door’s latch to unlock and open it.Thinking it through, I can't believe it was done after the glass was smashed. There would be no conceivable reason to then attempt to enter by cutting.
So, either the cutting was done before entry, it didn't work so the glass was smashed for the actual break in
OR if the killer wanted to stage a break in (because they actually knew Janet, but wanted it to appear a stranger-killing), then I think it would have been done after Janet had been killed (when they could concentrate on it), but again, they gave up and decided to just smash glass.
Now: why not smash the pane with the glass cutting marks? Apparently the adjacent window was smashed, not the one carefully incised.
To me, this indicates staging...
If they tried cutting the glass, and gave up, wouldn't it be easier to smash the single layer of glass that had already been cut into...?
Whereas, if the glass cutting was done to mislead police, then makes more sense to leave it as evidence of a burglary and smash a different pane to stage entry.
One strategy is about efficiency and covering up your tracks, the other is inefficiency in the service of misleading police...
JMO
Hi yeah its here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CEYK9YM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_351_o02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I bought it on kindle so i could read it right away its page 412 onwards thats all to do with the Janet Brown case.Do you have a link to the book please? I'd be really interested to read it.
I agree totally with this. I find it odd the police are still insisting on it as a main theory. They took handcuffs with them which shows intent towards restraining someone, nothing was stolen and the alarm blaring did not deter them at all. I really think this is someone who knew full well those alarms were not connected to police or alarm company. This person knew janet and also knew the home and home layout. (They took glass cutting equipment knowing they would have to cut through glass door, if it was random burgler who sneaked round the back to break they could of expected any type of door, wood, pvc...but this intruder was prepared to cut glass!)
This is what I wondered too? The whole glass cutting part is most puzzling. How hard would it be to do? Would you need experience? What about glass cutting tools? Can they be traced? Also why didn't they break the single pane of glass? Surely that would be easier? I can't stop thinking about this case. It really is strange and quite terrifying when you think about what janet probably went through.
Thanks so much!Hi yeah its here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CEYK9YM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_351_o02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I bought it on kindle so i could read it right away its page 412 onwards thats all to do with the Janet Brown case.
Exactly! I really do not believe it was robbery.Why stage a robbery but not steal anything. So strange
PB mentions a dip in the field, which couldn't be seen from the ground floor of the house. The killer might have been able to stake out the property from there.i also don't really know burglars operate lol but I am local to the case and it's a very small road and the house is set back with only fields behind. It's not an easy place to stalk/stake out without being really obvious, you only would go there with intention. You couldn't even stop your car close without drawing attention. It does make me think this was someone who knew the house, although cannot exclude perspective buyers / anyone with access to the house plans which greatly increases suspect pool
Just smahing a window would be an afterthought, but he brings and uses a specific device to cut the glass, so must have considered the idea beforehand.
If so, it seems likely the perpetrator wanted it to appear to investigators he was professional at entry through glass cutting (perhaps as he imagined professional cat burglars might be), but he was so bad at it, he gave up and just went for standard smash and entry.
Thanks so much for joining and bringing your local perspective, it's much appreciated!i also don't really know burglars operate lol but I am local to the case and it's a very small road and the house is set back with only fields behind. It's not an easy place to stalk/stake out without being really obvious, you only would go there with intention. You couldn't even stop your car close without drawing attention. It does make me think this was someone who knew the house, although cannot exclude perspective buyers / anyone with access to the house plans which greatly increases suspect pool
Thanks so much for this local insight. Its really helpful! From the photos of the house I've seen online it doesnt look like you would be able to see that that the external doors are, glass even from a dip in the field? You'd have to be able to see over the wall into the courtyard area? I've attached photos to show what I mean.i also don't really know burglars operate lol but I am local to the case and it's a very small road and the house is set back with only fields behind. It's not an easy place to stalk/stake out without being really obvious, you only would go there with intention. You couldn't even stop your car close without drawing attention. It does make me think this was someone who knew the house, although cannot exclude perspective buyers / anyone with access to the house plans which greatly increases suspect pool
Notice the tent in that Bucks Free Press article you've linked: they must have found something in the back...Thanks so much for this local insight. Its really helpful! From the photos of the house I've seen online it doesnt look like you would be able to see that that the external doors are, glass even from a dip in the field? You'd have to be able to see over the wall into the courtyard area? I've attached photos to show what I mean.
Links to both media articles the photos came from are here -
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DNA breakthrough in hunt for brutal murderer
The brutal murder of a nurse found gagged, handcuffed and beaten to death 20 years ago today (Friday) is being reinvestigated after new DNA evidence…www.bucksfreepress.co.uk
I think the tent was an operations centre for the forensic team, rather than a specific site of interest.Notice the tent in that Bucks Free Press article you've linked: they must have found something in the back...
I wonder if we've misread the info and the window that was smashed was nearby, but not the same patio door...?
That trio of glass doors looks fairly private inside that walled courtyard, as others have mentioned. I haven’t seen a floor plan, but it looks like the tall two-storied part of the home (with white exterior) with the glass doors at main level might be kitchen, eating, and living areas on first level since kitchen and eating areas would tend to be near an outdoor eating area like that courtyard. I’d guess that master bedroom is on second level of the other (brick-sided) part of the home. So, I'm guessing that the entry point was some distance from master suite.Thanks so much for this local insight. Its really helpful! From the photos of the house I've seen online it doesnt look like you would be able to see that that the external doors are, glass even from a dip in the field? You'd have to be able to see over the wall into the courtyard area? I've attached photos to show what I mean.
Links to both media articles the photos came from are here -
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DNA breakthrough in hunt for brutal murderer
The brutal murder of a nurse found gagged, handcuffed and beaten to death 20 years ago today (Friday) is being reinvestigated after new DNA evidence…www.bucksfreepress.co.uk
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Police reveal new DNA breakthrough in 20-year-old cold-case murder
Janet Brown, pictured, was beaten with an iron bar and left for dead at her home in Radnage, near Chinnor in Buckinghamshire on April 10, 1995. Mrs Brown had been beaten to death with an iron bar.www.dailymail.co.uk
I also note the daily mail article specifies the intruder brought a wheel glass cutter.