UK UK - Jill Dando, 37, Fulham, London, 26 Apr 1999

  • #601
It was overturned as though the gun shot residue was its whole basis, but it wasn't. The fact that he got no compo is a reminder that the case against him was not so feeble that it should never have been brought.

It was of course largely circumstantial, and the thing about those is that unless you can prove the circumstances definitely fit nobody else, you leave room for doubt.

Also, there had been such a massive media push about the "miscarriage of justice" even BEFORE his conviction was overturned; the chances of a successful second conviction were close to zero after that. In a quite unusual turn of events, the trial-by-media had already declared him *innocent* by the time he received his second day in court.

It's notable that BG rarely seems to have left much physical evidence during his prior assaults. His living accusers were the primary evidence.
 
  • #602
The other problem for me with the hitman theory is Occam's Razor - don't postulate anything you need not; or, as often reduced, the simplest explanation is the likeliest.

The Serbian hitman requires the following all to be true:

1 Someone in a rogue state decided to murder a TV presenter
2 The TV presenter was the best target for whatever message was supposed to be sent
3 They did not want it obvious who had done this or why; cf. Putin virtually signing his handiwork by having his enemies "fall" out of windows or poisoning them with substances only a state could obtain
4 They had a professional murderer to hand
5 The murderer was not the more usual clown-for-hire like the one who shot Norman Scott's dog instead of Norman Scott, but a professional of the kind not seen outside TV
6 The supposed professional only shot her once and assumed this would kill her
7 He did so at range so close he'd have left forensics everywhere
8 He did so even though on her doorstep, as they were, he could have forced her inside and shot her more than once and less obtrusively
9 The murderer rightly assumed 999 crews would obscure all this
10 The murderer had knowledge of her regular movements even though the supposed incident that made her a target had only just happened
11 Absolutely nobody's ever leaked that this happened
12 The regime claimed to have organised this has been overthrown but no such misdeed has come to light
13 No individual likely to have been such a hitman has ever been identified.

The BG hypothesis requires only the following to be true:

A - that he find himself in the right place at the right time (same as 10 above in effect).

Everything else about BG follows from facts already known - his being an utter ʇɐʍʇ, sex offender, stalker of women and illegal gun owner.
 
  • #603
The is compelling evidence that the firearm used was some sort of improvised gun and the bullet was manually reloaded. Evidently, whoever did this knew what he was doing because it worked. I am venturing to guess that BG did not have the skills to build such a set up so he must have purchased it from someone who did. In the US, this would be highly unusual because manufactured guns are readily available but perhaps in the UK, there is a market for such firearms and it wouldn’t be that unusual for a street-level lowlife to be able to obtain one. Is such weapon commonly available?
 
  • #604
2 The TV presenter was the best target for whatever message was supposed to be sent

This is the key thing for me. A rogue state seeks to assassinate a TV presenter in the UK with no ostensible link to the state (apart from something really, really spurious). She poses no threat or harm to them and has no connections to them. They risk an enormous amount to do this and then... for nothing, because no one can figure out the message they are trying to send.

What's the point? Why target JD? How did he know that JD would have gone to her house at that specific time when she had no routine of doing so?
 
  • #605
The is compelling evidence that the firearm used was some sort of improvised gun and the bullet was manually reloaded. Evidently, whoever did this knew what he was doing because it worked. I am venturing to guess that BG did not have the skills to build such a set up so he must have purchased it from someone who did. In the US, this would be highly unusual because manufactured guns are readily available but perhaps in the UK, there is a market for such firearms and it wouldn’t be that unusual for a street-level lowlife to be able to obtain one. Is such weapon commonly available?

Handguns were effectively banned in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre in 1996. Obtaining one legally is now VERY difficult.

Unless BG already had his guns before the ban, the only way to obtain them afterwards would have been through the criminal underworld, where it's my understanding that modified and reactivated guns are fairly common.
 
  • #606
This is the key thing for me. A rogue state seeks to assassinate a TV presenter in the UK with no ostensible link to the state (apart from something really, really spurious). She poses no threat or harm to them and has no connections to them. They risk an enormous amount to do this and then... for nothing, because no one can figure out the message they are trying to send.

What's the point? Why target JD? How did he know that JD would have gone to her house at that specific time when she had no routine of doing so?

It was due to NATO bombing Serbia in that period (April 1999) and the TV station building in Belgrade that was targeted and people inside lost their lives. Jill Dando also fronted the Kosovo appeal 2-3 weeks before her death. I'm sure the appeal and image of her would've featured on Serbian TV and someone might've fancied a reprisal, tit for tat. Then it's a case of what the underworld scene around Europe/London has to offer.
 
  • #607
It’s interesting how apparently far-fetched the Serbian angle seems now. It didn’t seem like a wild theory, to me, at the time, and imo still isn’t.

As the BBC’s Alan Little noted in 2003, Milosevic had “handed the Serbian economy over to criminal gangs who had thanked him by sending their private paramilitary forces into neighbouring Croatia and Bosnia to burn and murder and rape”.

These were exactly the kinds of people capable of committing this crime, imo.

Source: Allan Little on The Fall of Milosevic | The Guardian | guardian.co.uk

The act of killing a British TV presenter is a highly audacious one, but she was an incredibly soft target - completely at odds with her high profile. She was valuable yet vulnerable. The message being sent would’ve been entirely clear to its intended recipients, imo.
 
  • #608
The is compelling evidence that the firearm used was some sort of improvised gun and the bullet was manually reloaded. Evidently, whoever did this knew what he was doing because it worked. I am venturing to guess that BG did not have the skills to build such a set up so he must have purchased it from someone who did. In the US, this would be highly unusual because manufactured guns are readily available but perhaps in the UK, there is a market for such firearms and it wouldn’t be that unusual for a street-level lowlife to be able to obtain one. Is such weapon commonly available?
I don't think BG would have been capable of modifying a gun, but I reckon he might have had the criminal contacts to get hold of one.

He had been to prison and was very resourceful. He also got away with a lot of stalking and sexual offences, when you think about it.
 
  • #609
It’s interesting how apparently far-fetched the Serbian angle seems now. It didn’t seem like a wild theory, to me, at the time, and imo still isn’t.

As the BBC’s Alan Little noted in 2003, Milosevic had “handed the Serbian economy over to criminal gangs who had thanked him by sending their private paramilitary forces into neighbouring Croatia and Bosnia to burn and murder and rape”.

These were exactly the kinds of people capable of committing this crime, imo.

Source: Allan Little on The Fall of Milosevic | The Guardian | guardian.co.uk

The act of killing a British TV presenter is a highly audacious one, but she was an incredibly soft target - completely at odds with her high profile. She was valuable yet vulnerable. The message being sent would’ve been entirely clear to its intended recipients, imo.
Why would they murder someone who merely fronted an appeal, though? And in the interval between her doing so and being killed, how did someone have time to identify her home address and stake it out?
 
  • #610
She was arguably the BBC’s biggest female star at the time, ostensibly a newsreader but with a higher profile thanks to her many other presenting roles. Yet she had no security protection and was essentially living life as a regular citizen - of course, there’s nothing strange about that, but it made her a soft target.

Britain was at war with Serbia, and NATO had recently bombed the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters - obviously the Serbs couldn’t retaliate in kind, but they could pick off exposed targets. There were claims of responsibility for Dando’s killing made to the BBC and Daily Mirror after the event, which cited NATO’s bombing of RTS as motivation, and Tony Hall (Dando’s boss) and a NATO press spokesperson were also threatened.

I believe at the time she was still presenting BBC News, so presumably she could’ve been followed leaving work. Her private life had been well documented, there may have been mention made in interviews as to the general area in which she lived, and her relationship status was no secret, so finding and tailing her partner from the hospital where he worked could’ve been an option open to them. Imo, a criminal gang could find someone’s address quite easily.
 
  • #611
The other problem for me with the hitman theory is Occam's Razor - don't postulate anything you need not; or, as often reduced, the simplest explanation is the likeliest.

The Serbian hitman requires the following all to be true:

1 Someone in a rogue state decided to murder a TV presenter
2 The TV presenter was the best target for whatever message was supposed to be sent
3 They did not want it obvious who had done this or why; cf. Putin virtually signing his handiwork by having his enemies "fall" out of windows or poisoning them with substances only a state could obtain
4 They had a professional murderer to hand
5 The murderer was not the more usual clown-for-hire like the one who shot Norman Scott's dog instead of Norman Scott, but a professional of the kind not seen outside TV
6 The supposed professional only shot her once and assumed this would kill her
7 He did so at range so close he'd have left forensics everywhere
8 He did so even though on her doorstep, as they were, he could have forced her inside and shot her more than once and less obtrusively
9 The murderer rightly assumed 999 crews would obscure all this
10 The murderer had knowledge of her regular movements even though the supposed incident that made her a target had only just happened
11 Absolutely nobody's ever leaked that this happened
12 The regime claimed to have organised this has been overthrown but no such misdeed has come to light
13 No individual likely to have been such a hitman has ever been identified.

The BG hypothesis requires only the following to be true:

A - that he find himself in the right place at the right time (same as 10 above in effect).

Everything else about BG follows from facts already known - his being an utter ʇɐʍʇ, sex offender, stalker of women and illegal gun owner.

Yup.

When a celebrity is attacked it's pretty much always either a domestic violence situation or a stalker situation. And we have numerous similar crimes to this (Rebecca Schaeffer, John Lennon, Eddie Waitkus) and it's always a lone obsessed oddball committing the crime.

And then in this case we have a lone obsessed oddball with all kinds of circumstantial evidence around him - including, most significantly, a photo of him with the exact type of gun used in the murder which he can't account for - and no alibi. And a history of bizarre behaviour and approaching celebrities in a similar manner to this.

Occam's Razor is that it's the blatant obvious suspect and a similar sort of crime to one we've seen plenty of times before rather than a once-in-history bizarre international hit on a Western journalist by foreign terrorists who then inexplicably didn't claim responsibility.

Sometimes someone just gets lucky when they commit a crime. BG did this and got lucky.
 
  • #612
BG was - still is - a strong suspect. I don’t believe he was fitted up. The case against him on the surface makes for interesting reading, though imo it’s far from obvious that he did this.

It’s claimed in the article I’ll link to below that BG “kept 2,597 photos he had taken of 419 women in his home” - this is definitely evidence of his odd, obsessive character, but did any those photos include JD?

The same article records that: “After the Dando murder 43 women reported he had harassed them”. We know he was prolific, that he routinely threatened and unsettled women, but is there any evidence that JD herself felt threatened, or that she was being stalked? She appeared to be living her life as normal on the day of her murder, so it seems no.

Source: He stalked Diana and had 400 women on film

Perhaps in JD’s case BG was more surreptitious than usual, or maybe he developed such a sudden and intense fascination that he decided not to photograph her and stalk her and harass her in the street, as he typically did, and instead chose simply to put a single bullet through her head, killing her instantly.

Perhaps, but imo it seems unlikely.

Then, of course, the witnesses who saw JD’s killer leaving the scene failed to identify this individual as BG. The BBC reported that, prior to the murder, “three witnesses saw a man - the prosecution say it was Mr George - loitering in Gowan Avenue between 7am and 10am.” The prosecution ‘say’ it was BG - did any of these witnesses identify the man definitively as BG? I believe not. These sightings are interesting, but imo not strong.

I also have to mention again that responsibility for JD’s execution *was* ‘claimed’. Calls, and threats, were made after the event, and they were taken seriously enough that Tony Hall was forced into hiding. The police have never put forward any evidence, as far as I know, that these calls were hoaxes.

Perhaps post 9/11 people are just so used to seeing jihadist terror groups posting videos claiming responsibility for their crimes, and find it strange to think there was ever a time and place when that didn’t routinely happen. But the Serbs weren’t a jihadist terror group, and this wasn’t a terror attack. It was - potentially - an assassination by a foreign state, and the conduct of that state in the aftermath was entirely typical, imo.
 
  • #613
She was arguably the BBC’s biggest female star at the time, ostensibly a newsreader but with a higher profile thanks to her many other presenting roles. Yet she had no security protection and was essentially living life as a regular citizen - of course, there’s nothing strange about that, but it made her a soft target.

Britain was at war with Serbia, and NATO had recently bombed the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters - obviously the Serbs couldn’t retaliate in kind, but they could pick off exposed targets. There were claims of responsibility for Dando’s killing made to the BBC and Daily Mirror after the event, which cited NATO’s bombing of RTS as motivation, and Tony Hall (Dando’s boss) and a NATO press spokesperson were also threatened.

I believe at the time she was still presenting BBC News, so presumably she could’ve been followed leaving work. Her private life had been well documented, there may have been mention made in interviews as to the general area in which she lived, and her relationship status was no secret, so finding and tailing her partner from the hospital where he worked could’ve been an option open to them. Imo, a criminal gang could find someone’s address quite easily.

We saw that fairly recently with Michael Gove. High level MP but he didn't live in some fortified mansion. Lived at the time with his family in an edgy part of West London.

The individual who killed Sir David Amess in 2021 was stalking out his address a year before but think he decided he was too high level with the security he got once he left his front door.

Not sure what information there was on Jill Dando in the late 90s given the primitive form of the Internet in those days though as regards her residence.
 
  • #614
There are at least two photos online of JD pictured in the doorway of 29 Gowan Avenue (links below), one looks staged, taken perhaps to accompany an interview, while the other appears to be a paparazzi shot, taken as she returned home.



Obviously they don’t show her address, but if it was fairly common knowledge that her home was in Fulham then potentially these would have helped to narrow things down.

I think an assassin would be much more likely to track her from her place of work, or to tail her partner from his, but imo it shows that she wasn’t especially secretive about her private life, being photographed on your doorstep is quite an intimate thing to do, and it seems the paparazzi knew her address - I’m sure these guys would’ve been forthcoming with information if the ‘right’ people were asking.

Imo locating JD even in a pre-internet age wouldn’t have been a difficult thing for anyone to do, let alone people who were determined to find her.
 
  • #615
Not sure if this has been seen before but quite interesting to see the first couple of minutes of this raw rehearsal footage of the BBC Newsflash about Jill's death. Initially they get her age wrong and correct it and then mention she had been stabbed
 
  • #616
I’m sure these guys would’ve been forthcoming with information if the ‘right’ people were asking.
They might have been, but would they have kept quiet about it afterwards when they realised they had enabled a murder? And how would a Serbian hitman identify and be trusted by a pap?
 
  • #617
That’s not my theory as to how they would’ve found her, imo the simplest and most plausible way was to follow her from work, and/or to follow AF from his. My point is that had they wanted to pursue other avenues then plenty were available to them - ultimately, JD was eminently traceable.
 
  • #618
Just to expand on the Serbia angle, I feel like one issue people have with it is that the timeline seems too tight - the BBC’s Kosovo appeal, fronted by JD, took place just 20 days before she was killed. Imo, three weeks seems fairly ample time to plan an attack, but this assumes the Serbs only began making plans immediately after the appeal, when the reality is they could’ve been preparing for much longer.

The Yugoslav wars had been raging since 1991, and by the end of the 1990s the Serbs had lost the propaganda battle. International threats of military intervention were becoming increasingly powerful, the BBC reported in October 1998, prompting a furious response from officials in Serbia.

“In particular, the outspoken Deputy Prime Minister, Vojislav Seselj, accused the BBC of being part of a conspiracy to harden public opinion in the West, and warned of reprisals around the world if Nato forces attacked Serbia.

“A Serb television report described the BBC accounts of atrocities committed by police in Kosovo as lies and manipulation.”

Source: BBC News | Europe | Serbs attack Kosovo massacre reports

This was 7 months before JD’s murder. What sort of *reprisals* might the Serbs have been alluding to? A conventional military response was obviously out of the question, and by the end of 1998 British diplomats and their families had already fled Belgrade. But the Yugoslavs were skilled at assassinations, and had struck targets on Western European soil before - what rekindled my interest in this case was a BBC podcast called An Assassin Comes to Town, which tells the story of the attempted murder of a Croatian emigre who’d fled Yugoslavia for Australia before eventually settling in Scotland. One October morning in 1988, whilst walking his dog on a quiet suburban street on the outskirts of the town of Kirkcaldy, he was gunned down by a man in a passing car.

At least one bullet struck him in the mouth, another lodged in his chest. Yet incredibly he survived. The assassin was a member of Yugoslavia’s secret police, who’d travelled to the UK on a false, Swiss passport.

He’d have almost certainly escaped back to Yugoslavia afterwards, had it not been for the actions of a resident who, having read in the local newspaper about a recent series of break-ins, spotted a strange car in the area and, thinking it was connected to the burglaries, noted down the number plate.

Using this information Scottish police were able to track the perpetrator down, hauling him off a plane at Heathrow, and he was jailed for 15 years for this crime. After his release, he was tried - but acquitted - of the murder of another man in Paris. Later, he testified against other Yugoslav assassins, including one who was jailed in 2016 in Germany for the murder of another Croatian emigre in Bavaria.

These crimes obviously aren’t directly linked to JD’s murder and they occurred a decade or more prior to her killing, and before Yugoslavia’s slow, bloody collapse. But imo it shows what these people were capable of, and perhaps explains why those of us who were alive at the time found/find the Serbian assassin theory credible.

There are things about the various witness sightings which imo point to a hit, too, but this post is already probably too long, so perhaps I’ll write that up another day.
 
  • #619
April 2025 By Shannon Cook
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A Serbian assassin may prove to be a key suspect in the murder of TV star Jill Dando in 1999, an investigation has revealed. Picture: Getty/Alamy

''A van driver who spotted a man running near the scene where Jill was killed said he looked like assassin Milorad Ulemek.
The witness was driving near where the TV star, 37, was shot dead at her home on April 26, 1999.
After The Mirror showed pictures of the assassin to the key witness, he told the paper "he does look like the man I saw."

''Another female witness said she was 'certain' she had seen the assassin running along the same road at the same time, according to The Mirror.''

''He informed police the suspect was wearing a dark "suit-type jacket" with matching trousers, 5ft 10 or 11, in his late 20s to early 30s, of medium build with short black hair that was longer on top.

The description appears to match that provided by the female motorist who is reportedly 'sure' the person she saw is Ulemek.''
Apr 23, 2024 #TheMirror #News #JillDando
EXCLUSIVE: A witness who reported seeing a man "running for his life" from the Jill Dando murder scene has identified him as ruthless Serbian assassin Milorad Ulemek | | Jill Dando Documentary
 
  • #620
Ulemek's looks are pretty generic though. In fact, he bears a striking resemblance to Barry George in my eyes...similar hair, colouring, face shape etc. 😀
 

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