GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #1

[wfgodot]

Hmm...another day and still no charges, but another extension; the press seem confused about just how long this can go on:

Forensic specialists continued to search the mansion flat belonging to Mr Jefferies in the affluent Bristol suburb of Clifton, and last night magistrates gave police permission to keep him in custody to face further questions. Police refused to say how long they can keep him, but magistrates have the power to give them up to 36 hours.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sion-to-question-yeates-landlord-2173358.html

Detectives have been given permission to hold Joanna Yeates' landlord until after the weekend as they continue to quiz him on suspicion of her murder.

Police were last night granted the 72 hour extension, the second since 65-year-old bachelor Chris Jefferies was arrested at dawn on Thursday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...police-quiz-door-neighbour.html#ixzz19n62GYWY

Agreeing with jigzy, above, that the case doesn't look solid. How soon can we conclude the case has fallen apart entirely?

I think they'd just as soon we all forget about that pizza thing.

On a note which I find somewhat humorous, being a literature teacher, the Sun graces us with the headline

Obsessed by death

The former student said eccentric English teacher Jefferies made them watch films about Nazi death camps - and scared some children with his macabre fascination.
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He added: "Jefferies just wanted to show us death. He was obsessed with it."
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The student told how Jefferies had an "academic obsession" with death, and was particularly fascinated by Victorian murder novel The Moonstone and disturbing Holocaust documentary Night And Fog.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-death-ex-pupil-claims.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

My God, the infamy! He taught a classic Victorian novel (Wilkie Collins's The Moonstone basically invented the detective genre) and had them watch a justly praised short film by Alain Resnais! What was next on his morbid agenda, teaching Keats?? Is there no stopping these literature teachers, lol. Yes, I'm feeling a bit sorry for Mr J. this morning.

 

[badhorsie]

The poor old Sun "newspaper", little more than a comic book:crazy:

It's official, I am now utterly confused by it all:waitasec:

 

[maggieo]

I didn't mean to insult anyone by saying net curtains are lower class -- I have them myself! I just remember my very class-conscious British aunt having a bias against them... and it seems like Mr. Jeffries might have had the same bias.

I can't work up on opinion on whether or not I think he's guilty. The police aren't revealing much, which is good. But wow, if he's not... I've never seen anyone so crucified by the media.

 

[Blamhappy]

I find it quite hard to use this forum with my mobile so, while I've been reading some of the posts, I haven't been participating much.

I would say that the police have said there's no connection between Jo's death and other murders in the area, so I don't see much point in going down that route. No problem reading about them for interest and comparison, but I don't see much point in actually trying to link the cases. I think it's pretty clear that she was murdered by someone she knows, and I do think the police would've handled it differently had they felt that the public was in danger.

I personally can't see the police arresting someone on a whim for the sake of arresting anyone. I do think it's a massive shame that it happens to be an odd looking man. I kind of don't want him to be guilty, but I feel that the police will have found evidence against him to be questioning him.

I'm finding the whole car aspect interesting. Not sure what to make of it just yet. Are the police checking the neighbour's car simply to cover themselves? Because I can't see both men being involved - that would mean it was premeditated, and I don't see that at all! It looks like someone did something and panicked. The body wasn't dumped terribly well, and the scene wasn't set that well.

I suppose, in a funny sort of way, the scene was set nicely; it's confused everyone no end!

I do feel that CJ will be charged. If he's innocent, my heart goes out to him.

Now I'm going to read through the last two pages of posts, because I haven't done properly yet and it could be that I'm repeating other posters' comments.

(By the way, I'll just add that I'm English. I'm from London. I realise that this is a predominantly American site, so I'm part of that British minority. Kinda makes me feel special lol. Thanks for the welcome from the regulars.)

 

[wfgodot]

I see the Daily Mail has replaced "Mystery of Missing Pizza" with.....

RIDDLE OF U-TURN CAR

Police are trying to trace the owner of a light-coloured car seen on the night Jo disappeared in the remote area where her body was dumped.

Two members of Long Ashton Golf Club in Failand were about to drive home when they saw the car pull into the entrance at 11.20pm on December 17.

The driver noticed the key-code operated barriers and hastily did a U-turn.

It then sped off towards Longwood Lane.

The witnesses reported the incident after Miss Yeates’s body was found on a grass verge beside the lane on Christmas Day. Around 30 of the guests are believed to have driven down the lane between 11pm and midnight before heavy snow fell in the early hours.

Most of them told police that they had their lights on full beam but did not see a body on the verge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-I-love-family-speak-pain.html#ixzz19nlsGQ90

 

[jigzy]

Laurence Penney

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/01/01/did-joanna-yeates-see-too-much-115875-22818587/
Detectives spoke to Mr Stanley’s tenant, Laurence Penney, as a witness for more than an hour.

Font design specialist Mr Penney, 41, was at home on the day Jo vanished but has only just returned from a Christmas break in France. Mr Penney said last night: “I was here when Joanna Yeates disappeared but I didn’t see or hear anything.

“I don’t know her or her boyfriend. I see Chris Jefferies from time to time, but I didn’t see him that day or after Joanna disappeared. Police spoke to me as a matter of routine.”

Laurence Penney - aka Lorp lives in Bristol and Berlin:

Found this info:
http://www.webfontday.de/content/laurence-penney
http://new.myfonts.com/person/Laurence_Penney/
http://www.flickr.com/people/lorp/
http://www.lorp.org/ (interesting Lorp book selection)

Twitter history shows regular Tweets then nothing from 17th Dec 9.10pm until Dec 26th: http://twitter.com/lorp/

He seems to travel around the world a lot. Interesting person, professional. I wonder if he actually knew Joanne Yeates and her partner.

jmo.

 

[wfgodot]

Avon and Somerset police have released statements from Joanna Yeates's family and boyfriend:

Statement from Miss Yeates's family, & from Miss Yeates's boyfriend, Greg Reardon

(Guardian)

 

[liz b.]

It's interesting that Laurence Penney AKA Lorp was in France around the same time as CJ. If they went together that's even more interesting. I'm having a hard time envisioning a motive for CJ and an accomplice to have done this.

About the statement from the family : it is so poignant. I noticed that in their statement they never once referenced Jo's BF.... Not in any context. Although they did name and thank a couple of Jo's close friends...

All JMO

 

[wfgodot]

Mr Laurence Penney fell onto my "bad list" with a single statement:

I assumed she had absconded with someone

Not saying he's at all someone other than just a person prone to making cavalier pronouncements after the fact; rather, that it just rubbed me the wrong way. I suppose many perhaps entertained this thought - and yet, and yet, it was a rather dismissive assumption, especially coming from someone so close to the scene.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...urder-police-investigate-second-property.html

 

[whitedove]

Happy New year to all, latest news just in .








A 65-year-old man who was being questioned by detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates has been released on police bail.

 

[laurauk1]

Happy New year to all, latest news just in .








A 65-year-old man who was being questioned by detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates has been released on police bail.

I just came on here to post this. It's in the BBC headlines. Second story coming up. I'll post more if there is anything else.

 

[laurauk1]

I also want to add that I hope the UK media is really proud of itself for spreading idol gossip about a man who could quite possibly be innocent!

 

[wfgodot]

Via Wikipedia, here are the three forms of bail:

In the UK there are three types of bail that can be given:

* Police bail where a suspect is released without being charged but must return to the police station at a given time
* Police to court where having been charged a suspect is given bail but must attend his first court hearing at the date and court given
* Court bail where having already been in court a suspect is granted bail pending further investigation or while the case continues

 

[laurauk1]

BBC report has been on. Not much info given. Just that he has been released and the police have stressed that their investigations are ongoing.

 

[jigzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103905
Chris Jefferies freed on bail

 

[wfgodot]

Avon and Somerset police site from jigzy's post above:

Police appeal for further witnesses following the murder of Joanna Yeates

Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones said: "Firstly I would like to reassure the public that this investigation is very much ongoing. We have a team of over 70 police officers and staff working tirelessly to bring the person responsible for Joanna's death to justice.

"The incident room has been inundated with thousands of calls from members of the public who have provided us with information. This information is being scrutinised and followed up by specially trained officers who are exhausting every lead and avenue that we are provided with.

"I would once again urge anyone who may not have called us to make contact with one of my officers and provide us with any information you may have. You may think your information is insignificant but please let us decide. This will be treated in confidence."

more at link

 

[wfgodot]

A bit of an update on aspects of the investigation, from the Guardian:

They [had] also asked Peter Stanley, 56, a neighbour, who helped Jefferies start Reardon's car, to drive his BMW to a city police station.

However, Stanley, who lives next door to the flat Joanna rented, was today allowed to drive his vehicle home with officers stressing the neighbour was a witness and not a suspect.

In another development, officers quashed suggestions that detectives have linked Joanna's death to the unsolved murder of a 20-year-old woman who was killed just yards from where Joanna lived.

Glenis Carruthers was strangled nearly 37 years ago on 19 January 1974, but police today firmly downplayed the possibility of a connection.

Detectives are, however, believed to be probing a theory that Joanna surprised an intruder when she returned home and was murdered to avoid the prowler being identified, although officers refuse to comment on current lines of inquiry.
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[Jo's] parents also said today that it was unlikely police would release her body for some time as the investigation continued.

more at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/01/chris-jefferies-released-on-bail

 

[whitedove]

I still wonder if J/Y was picked up on her way home with her shopping, it has to be someone she knows or she would'nt get in the car, and it would be someone who has visited her at home.

But he does'nt take her home, and later attacks her in the car, dumps her body, but takes her shopping, her coat and bag back to her flat, lets himself in with her key, drinks some of the cider to make it look like she did return home, he may have taken the pizza to eat later.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates#cite_note-Sun-20101229-bottle-2
It would explain why there was no evidence of forced entry or a struggle at the flat.

They don't seem to have enough evidence to charge the LL, but they have spent a lot of time removing items, they must have been looking for something.

 

[Gem2626]

I still wonder if J/Y was picked up on her way home with her shopping, it has to be someone she knows or she would'nt get in the car, and it would be someone who has visited her at home.

But he does'nt take her home, and later attacks her in the car, dumps her body, but takes her shopping, her coat and bag back to her flat, lets himself in with her key, drinks some of the cider to make it look like she did return home, he may have taken the pizza to eat later.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates#cite_note-Sun-20101229-bottle-2
It would explain why there was no evidence of forced entry or a struggle at the flat.

They don't seem to have enough evidence to charge the LL, but they have spent a lot of time removing items, they must have been looking for something.

I thought along the same lines but why would anyone risk going to her flat? Why not just dump all her stuff somewhere? Also her coat was at home. Would a murderer remove her coat and take it home or did she go somewhere warm with someone and remove it herself before being murdered?

Her dad, based on the state of the flat seems sure she was murdered there. I think that maybe she was just about to unwrap the pizza etc to go in the oven when she was attacked and used the pizza in a desperate attempt to protect herself. Because it touched the murderer he/she had to get rid of it. I don't think the murderer would have drunk from the bottle of cider but it could be that there is no dna on it at all. I wonder if she was wearing shoes.......

 

[wfgodot]

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