GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #14

[Paulette]

Wasn't she strangled? It takes several minutes to strangle someone to death.

At any point he could have stopped. We know he didn't stop. So how can he claim manslaughter? With each passing second he could have stopped strangling her.

(if she wasn't strangled disregard this post)

 

[bees]

Wasn't she strangled? It takes several minutes to strangle someone to death.

At any point he could have stopped. We know he didn't stop. So how can he claim manslaughter? With each passing second he could have stopped strangling her.

(if she wasn't strangled disregard this post)

I think it's possible to strangle someone to death without meaning to - eg by holding them around the neck with your arm to restrain them but this can restrict their breathing to such an extent that they are asphyxiated.

 

[kINGFISHER]

I think it's possible to strangle someone to death without meaning to - eg by holding them around the neck with your arm to restrain them but this can restrict their breathing to such an extent that they are asphyxiated.

Can't recall any events where those events happened or have been in the media. unless you are talking about perversion.

 

[Paulette]

I think it's possible to strangle someone to death without meaning to - eg by holding them around the neck with your arm to restrain them but this can restrict their breathing to such an extent that they are asphyxiated.

Surely he wasn't so demented as not to notice her struggling. She's in fear for her life, she's struggling desperately against him. People that are being strangled don't just sit there and take it - they flail and kick & grab the arms of the lunatic to get the hands off their neck.

Since he was just a normal guy hours before when talking to Chris the landlord - how can he claim manslaughter? He intentionally murdered her so she wouldn't tell.

 

[bees]

Can't recall any events where those events happened or have been in the media. unless you are talking about perversion.

I can't remember where I read it now but I think it might have been in this thread. I have a vague notion it was also cited as how Michaela McAreavey might have died too.

 

[bees]

Surely he wasn't so demented as not to notice her struggling. She's in fear for her life, she's struggling desperately against him. People that are being strangled don't just sit there and take it - they flail and kick & grab the arms of the lunatic to get the hands off their neck.

Since he was just a normal guy hours before when talking to Chris the landlord - how can he claim manslaughter? He intentionally murdered her so she wouldn't tell.

Oh I'm sure he noticed her struggling but in his panic to restrain her and shut her up, he might have accidentally killed her. I'm just saying I think it's a possibility at this stage but given his behaviour after the event, I also think he could have deliberately killed her.

 

[whiterum]

I can't remember where I read it now but I think it might have been in this thread. I have a vague notion it was also cited as how Michaela McAreavey might have died too.

It was in a post by Robin Hood, it's called Vagal Inhibition .

 

[bijoux]

Oh I'm sure he noticed her struggling but in his panic to restrain her and shut her up, he might have accidentally killed her.

That's exactly what I think happened. She may have fallen unconscious almost immediately after he put his arm around her throat and then surprise, surprise, minutes later she was dead. If only he had made a 999 call at that point. I can't imagine he would've had any motive to intentionally murder her, although the prosecution may say he lay in wait for her return from 7pm onwards, plotting.

 

[Cherwell]

Wasn't she strangled? It takes several minutes to strangle someone to death.

At any point he could have stopped. We know he didn't stop. So how can he claim manslaughter? With each passing second he could have stopped strangling her.

(if she wasn't strangled disregard this post)

Didn't they originally say 'compression of the neck'? While that might mean strangling in the sense you mean, death can also result very quickly from pressure on the vagus nerve causing the heart to stop. I don't think that would necessarily leave much sign of injury. This may have been what killed Glenis Carruthers back in 1974, as there was little or no visible injury in her case.

 

[wfgodot]

She rejected his advances, he was impaired by drink and went into a rage and killed her. Certainly a more simple solution than an accident. I would think there are more deliberate killings given the circumstances than there are accidental strangulations.

(Again, just trying to present another viewpoint. I have no idea what happened. And we also don't know the circumstances.)

 

[kINGFISHER]

That's exactly what I think happened. She may have fallen unconscious almost immediately after he put his arm around her throat and then surprise, surprise, minutes later she was dead. If only he had made a 999 call at that point. I can't imagine he would've had any motive to intentionally murder her, although the prosecution may say he lay in wait for her return from 7pm onwards, plotting.

Why was she screaming, if it was her and why would he want to be near her neck at any time. I think this has already been mentioned.

 

[bees]

I hope the autopsy report & forensics will be able to determine whether he strangled her (ie face to face with his hands around her throat) or asphyxiated her by compression from his arm/knee while trying to restrain her. The former would be difficult to argue as manslaughter but the latter might be possible.

 

[bees]

Why was she screaming, if it was her and why would he want to be near her neck at any time. I think this has already been mentioned.

If she was screaming, I could imagine a scenario where he's trying to shut her up and stop her running outside/away so he has her in a headlock with one arm while placing his other hand over her mouth. Alternatively, he has her on the ground with his knee on her neck and his hand over her mouth.

Either of those could be consistent with accidentally killing her.

 

[whiterum]

If his intention was just to restrain her to shut her up, who did he think he was to even put his hands on her. Why would he go to those lengths, what was he up too.

She would have been able to go on to tell, whatever it was he intended to shut her up about, if he had not killed her.
I think his intention was to silence her permanently.

 

[kINGFISHER]

If she was screaming, I could imagine a scenario where he's trying to shut her up and stop her running outside/away so he has her in a headlock with one arm while placing his other hand over her mouth. Alternatively, he has her on the ground with his knee on her neck and his hand over her mouth.

Either of those could be consistent with accidentally killing her.

So what was on his mind, what was he was doing , or going to do to have a reason to do all that to her. I don't think it was burglary he had in mind.

 

[bees]

If his intention was to restrain her to shut her up, who did he think he was to even put his hands on her. Why go to those lengths, what was he up too.

She would have been able to go on to tell, whatever it was he intended to shut her up about, if he had not killed her. Maybe his intention was to silence her permanently.

Maybe it was - I really don't know and I'm not sure we ever will because IMO he'll say whatever he thinks will get him the shortest sentence. As I've said before, I don't have any expectations of hearing the truth from him.

However, I do think it's possible for someone to accidentally kill another by too much restraint - I think this has happened to people in police custody too.

 

[bees]

So what was on his mind, what was he was doing , or going to do to have a reason to do all that to her. I don't think it was burglary he had in mind.

At the moment, the only thing that seems plausible to me is that he tried it on with her, she resisted and it escalated from there.

 

[kINGFISHER]

At the moment, the only thing that seems plausible to me is that he tried it on with her, she resisted and it escalated from there.

Could be, I would call that murder.
I think in some ways all our debating is a waste of time . When you have judges that are known for lenient sentencing and other indiscretions the whole thing becomes a farce .

 

[whiterum]

Yesterday cops revealed Jo may have been strangled with one of her own socks.

Police said the landscape architect was killed with a ligature.
And it could have been the long grey ski-type sock missing from her body when it was found near Bristol.

Inquiry chief Det Chief Insp Phil Jones said he was "keeping an open mind" on the possibility.

I thought the autopsy determined she was killed with a ligature.

 

[bijoux]

When you have judges that are known for lenient sentencing and other indiscretions the whole thing becomes a farce .

And then there's VT's brilliant lawyer, William Clegg, QC, who is an expert and specialist in murder/manslaughter cases and will likely try to prove diminished responsibility.

But you're all right about one thing: we've got to wait for the evidence to roll in.