GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #14

[2goldfish]

rupertevelyn Rupert Evelyn
Court has adjourned for the day. Back tomorrow at 1030 for the conclusion of the opening. I'll be here. Off to cut ITV Evening News vt now

 

[bees]

Well it's been very informative today and it looks very much like VT would have let CJ take the blame all the way.

VT's poor girlfriend must have been stunned and sickened when she found out the truth (and of course his family).

Glad to hear that JY's parents weren't in court when they showed the pics of her dead - those poor people must be suffering terribly through all this.

 

[veggiefan]

well, wait. where did the blood come from?

My guess is that the trachea (windpipe) was crushed, and splinters of cartilage broke the skin.

they also said there was blood on the wall at the dump site - if she was strangled or smothered, where did the blood come from? have I forgotten something?

The blood at the quarry could have come from trying to push the body over the stone wall.

 

[Neurotripsy]

eta: well, wait. where did the blood come from? they also said there was blood on the wall at the dump site - if she was strangled or smothered, where did the blood come from? have I forgotten something?

"Injuries sustained by Joanna Yeates are consistent with her struggle and the violence to her." [Source]

I know they stated there was no visible signs of a struggle when her body was found, but perhaps they wanted to keep it under wraps and VT actually hit her over the head before strangling her... Would explain the thumps that the neighbours heard.

 

[veggiefan]

VT's poor girlfriend must have been stunned and sickened when she found out the truth

And we still don't know if the phone call from the sobbing female just before VT's arrest was from the girlfriend. I have a feeling that TM may have seen enough changes in VT's behaviour to have put two and two together by then - perhaps she'd checked his computer and seen that he'd been researching body decomposition, manslaughter, and so on.

 

[bees]

Re: the blood

Yes, the tweets from court indicate there was blood in his car so she must have sustained at least one injury causing broken skin before she was dumped.

 

[Cherwell]

Maybe a nosebleed, is that possible?

 

[bees]

Maybe a nosebleed, is that possible?

I would imagine so - her nose could have been knocked in the struggle, resulting in blood on her sweatshirt.

 

[badhorsie]

Oh sure, I agree with that. But how on earth do they manage to establish the truth about somebody's mental state?

I expect that no one be 100% sure but you can take people out of society at large and closely observe them, this can be done skilfully without encroaching on personal space. This is what is done in psychiatric wards.

Cognitive testing, personality inventories, you could be getting a fair idea of how someone functions after a few weeks. People's facades always slip in the end

 

[bees]

Interesting that he was spotted on CCTV in Asda at Bedminster shortly after killing JY - when there are other supermarkets closer to Clifton but he'd be able to get out to the quarry easily from Bedminster without having to go over any bridges, which it seems he did as he apparently disappeared for about 45 mins before arriving back in range of Bristol CCTV cams.

 

[Cherwell]

Did anybody else have a little chuckle when he phones the cops from Holland and tries to drop CJ in it - only for the cops to come all the way over to Holland and take his own DNA

:floorlaugh:

I bet his arsehole went from * to O

 

[badhorsie]

This is even worse than I imagined. He is a cold blooded psychopath.
Poor, poor Joanna, she did not deserve this. I hope that her loved ones are getting all the support that they can

 

[Neurotripsy]

A&S police put up the CCTV footage of VT that was shown in court today.

 

[wfgodot]

When we adjourned last January to await October and the trial, I was basically comfortable with the idea that some colossal accident had occurred, something that VT hadn't meant to happen at all. But as the months rolled by, I began to see him, more and more, as maybe a classic sociopath, someone who had successfully dwelt in that state for many years - but let free the demons with Jo. I'm not quite to the "Tyburn Hill with this one! bring back the rope!" stage, but, barring a great, picture-changing defense being presented, I hope he's put away for a long, long time.

 

[bees]

Anyone else find it "stalkerish" that he logged into TM's work email?

 

[Robin Hood]

Anyone else find it "stalkerish" that he logged into TM's work email?

I took it to mean he logged in to TM's details to disguise it was him. Maybe I took it wrong and he was indeed acting controlling with TM.

 

[Cherwell]

I sooooo want to know exactly where she was found - there was such a lot of speculation and debate about it. Please post if anyone finds a link to a photo or a map.

 

[bees]

So if he was in Asda, Bedminster shortly after killing her, and pros says he searched google maps for quarry site, he must have done that VERY quickly at his own flat or possibly in his car via iPhone. I think he must have had her body in the boot then as he wouldn't want to leave it back at the flat and being in Bedminster indicates he was on his way out of the city already.

 

[Robin Hood]

Cherwell, from the Twitters I get the idea Jo was lying longways facing the quarry wall. Is it possible to see from the Police news videos if any of the dry stone walling was missing, taken for forensics ?

 

[bees]

I sooooo want to know exactly where she was found - there was such a lot of speculation and debate about it. Please post if anyone finds a link to a photo or a map.

Personally, I think it's most likely to be where the reconstruction was staged - just a little way up the lane from the quarry entrance and on the same side.