GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #14

[stmarysmead]

There doesn't seem to be enough time for a confrontation of any NORMAL sort to develop.
The scenario of seeing him kick the cat through the kitchen window might draw her out...and start an immediate confrontation.

But if he was masturbating, I don't see her opening the door when she is "dreading" being alone. If she willingly lets him in for company, it just goes too violent too quickly.

So, I'm leaning toward Tabor being a very troubled man...and either being in that apartment or immediately becoming enraged in a very abnormal way.

I don't see how he can explain his way out of this.

 

[Cherwell]

He had cycled home in the cold. We know from his texts to his girlfriend that he was bored and restless. There was a festive atmosphere around Bristol - office parties, parties in the surrounding houses; his own g/f off to a party. He wasn't happy to be alone that evening; he was at a loose end. Maybe the Christmas atmosphere even triggered some kind of home-sickness and then memories of childhood, and then he suddenly feels that familiar feeling of being alone, despite all his academic success. Why can't he have what other people have? Maybe I'm going too far in my ideas, but I suggest it was rage against people in general that made him flip that night.

I can't really see it. His relationship with Tanja seems to have been fine, and he wasn't even going to be apart from her that night, she would be home in just a few hours.

(Incidentally, those rumours that they had split up ... I think I read that someone had said they hadn't seen her around for a while. Well, perhaps that was a misquotation and the person had said they hadn't seen him for a while - that would fit as he was abroad for five weeks. That could be where the whole split rumour came from.)

I'm becoming more and more attached to the idea that the cat had something to do with this.

 

[Sammyme]

My fault, I missed it - have been WS-busy with an apparent kidnapping case in Kansas City, my old stomping grounds. Must give this more attention, mea culpa.

Ah, thanks wfg but really, no need to apologise! [How do you post a smilie on here?]

 

[wfgodot]

Ah, thanks wfg but really, no need to apologise! [How do you post a smilie on here?]

When quoting another post they're automatically to the right of the text block, or hit "go advanced" when making a post, and there some will be. Clicking on the "more" link produces another crop of them.

My favorite, indicative of my true sleuthing capabilities: :back:

 

[notsure]

Yes, he cycled and was the outdoor type. Cycle home in the cold and frost and once you get home and thaw out, you do not want to venture out again. That's my experience, anyway! I took it that he sent those texts to his girlfriend after the murder of Joanna, so the restlessness and "boredom" were a disguise and a euphemism for the agitation and upset he must have been feeling as a result. It is not very plausible to me that someone would normally be bored and restless just because their partner was out for one evening at a party. He knew she would be home later and they had the whole weekend to come. It beggars belief that a man of such intellectual resources could not find something to interest him enough to pass the time in comfort and leisure alone for one evening.

Well, just to persist with this idea for a while, maybe he really didn't have any indoor interests that would absorb him enough to take away that restless feeling. Maybe his usual way of relaxing was to have a bottle of wine or a few beers, but he couldn't do that on this night, because he knew he had to drive to pick up his girlfriend. Didn't he say he went wandering out with his camera to take pictures of the snow? He wanted to be out and about that evening, for sure.

 

[Trouble007]

The one at my front door isn't motion sensitive. It comes on as it gets dark. The one at the back of the house is, and stays on for two minutes once activated.

I'm sure in photos of the outside of the building in January and in the dark did show the light as being on.

the news report stated Jo's light was a motion detection version.

 

[Robin Hood]

I am under the impression that the puzzle with the sock and Pizza will be revealed by VT when the defence steps up. IMO the reason we haven't heard about it yet is it is up to Clegg and VT to explain that and not the prosecution. Again, IMO, VT will have to say something about it as it would be construed as holding back info and VT needs the Jury onside. Something as simple as the sock and pizza mystery could swing a jury.

 

[notsure]

Something as simple as the sock and pizza mystery could swing a jury.

It really could. If he says he ate that pizza, he doesn't have a hope, I reckon.

 

[Sammyme]

When quoting another post they're automatically to the right of the text block, or hit "go advanced" when making a post, and there some will be. Clicking on the "more" link produces another crop of them.

My favorite, indicative of my true sleuthing capabilities: :back:

That's a good one! :floorlaugh:

At least I have found some that work.

But there's a selection of smilies below the Message box where you type your reply.

It has the heading Post Icons in blue and underneath the heading a line of text that says

You may choose an icon for your message from the following list

and even though I've clicked to select one, that action hasn't inserted it into the message box. Oh, well... <shrugs>

 

[Robin Hood]

You could well be right Notsure.

 

[bees]

It really could. If he says he ate that pizza, he doesn't have a hope, I reckon.

He already told the police he thought he'd eaten pizza that night but he's not going to say it was that one!

 

[bees]

The defence really don't want those screams to be JY's so they clearly have another story that involves her being killed later "events leading up to..." I think Clegg said.

 

[notsure]

He already told the police he thought he'd eaten pizza that night but he's not going to say it was that one!

Maybe part of the defence will be that he went into some kind of mental state which involved forgetting chunks of stuff, including (conveniently) where the pizza came from.

 

[bijoux]

It really could. If he says he ate that pizza, he doesn't have a hope, I reckon.

*conjecture*
I think we can count on his having eaten the pizza! As for the sock, it likely fell off in the moving of the body and if retrieved, he chucked it in the bin along with the pizza box.

I read today that VT has a very, very thick file which he refers to from time to time during the court sessions. Has he been making personal notes or are these notes from the defense team?

 

[bees]

Something I don't understand - VT told the prison chaplain he was going to plead guilty to manslaughter but did the police know that? Has VT given a statement to them / been interviewed by them since he made that decision or will his defence story be something the police/prosecution haven't heard yet?

 

[Sammyme]

Well, just to persist with this idea for a while, maybe he really didn't have any indoor interests that would absorb him enough to take away that restless feeling. Maybe his usual way of relaxing was to have a bottle of wine or a few beers, but he couldn't do that on this night, because he knew he had to drive to pick up his girlfriend. Didn't he say he went wandering out with his camera to take pictures of the snow? He wanted to be out and about that evening, for sure.

When he was explaining himself to police? I wouldn't necessarily take it in those circumstances that that is what he was actually doing or why he was out and about. We already know he has given different, contradictory statements about this or that when questioned. It would be hard to place much faith in anything he has said.

 

[bijoux]

Back to the mystery caller:

Will we see her in court as a witness?

If not, will we ever hear the nature of her tip-off?

 

[notsure]

Something I don't understand - VT told the prison chaplain he was going to plead guilty to manslaughter but did the police know that? Has VT given a statement to them / been interviewed by them since he made that decision or will his defence story be something the police/prosecution haven't heard yet?

This really puzzles me, too. I was expecting the prosecution to refer to VT's version of events and rip it to shreds. Instead, we have heard nothing about what he claims to have happened that night.

 

[Cherwell]

This really puzzles me, too. I was expecting the prosecution to refer to VT's version of events and rip it to shreds. Instead, we have heard nothing about what he claims to have happened that night.

That will come later, when the defence presents its side of things and their witnesses can be cross-examined.

 

[Sammyme]

I was thinking that, did she have a instinctive creepy feeling about someone or of being watched but didn't mention it in case she was imagining it.

If she did, turns out she was right.

Another thing, speaking of being watched and going back to that business of the defence talking about seeing each other through the kitchen window, if she were worried about being in the flat alone, wouldn't she have pulled down the kitchen blind first thing so that no one could look in? I know I would.