GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #16

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@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Tabak's head is bowed so low he is barely visible over the front of the dock. His hands are on his head as usual."
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone

 

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@rupertevelyn
Rupert Evelyn
"Trial having a 10 minute break now. Back soon...."
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

 

[Luna15]

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
"Was the thud the door closing, the difficult door?" suggests Mr Lickley.

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
Mr Lickley said Joanna had time to only take her coat off, let the cat out, put the oven on and take a sip of cider.

BeebJournalist Andrew Plant
#Tabak prosecution: "VT used the phrase 'I can't remember' more than 80 times when giving evidence. A convenient device to avoid an answer".

following tweets READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP

rupertevelyn Rupert Evelyn
NL 'he looked up DNA and how it works because he had touched her. The first thing he looked up was murder cases'

Rupert Evelyn
to point the finger at someone else is deliberate and calculating says NL referring to VT's attempts to blame Chirstopher Jefferies

Rupert Evelyn
Nigel Lickley QC is on his feet speaking directly to the jury. referring to them as 'ladies and gentlemen'. They are 6 men & 6 women

Rupert Evelyn
Vincent Tabak's family are not in court today

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'having killed JY he went on as normal'. #yeates #Tabak 'he pretended to be a sort of victim of a crime next door'

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'it speaks volumes of the sort of person Vincent Tabak is'

 

[edgedweller]

@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Tabak's head is bowed so low he is barely visible over the front of the dock. His hands are on his head as usual."
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone

Looking forward to seeing the court artist's impression of this!

 

[veggiefan]

A couple of interesting points via Harriet:

Harriet Tolputt
Mr Lickley says Joanna dropped her apron by the door, because something happened by the door.
Lickley reminds the jury how Tabak was interested in why the door had been taken for forensic testing.

Harriet Tolputt
Mr Lickley said Joanna had time to only take her coat off, let the cat out, put the oven on and take a sip of cider.

 

[Firefly75]

But the fact is that to squeeze someone's neck for 20 seconds hard enough to stop their heart is only going to result in serious injury or death. He must have known this. Therefore he murdered her.

At the moment where he could have stopped and resuscitated her, he didn't.

Completely agree. No way did he not know what he was doing, or what is likely to happen if you do that. The man is in his thirties and has a PhD, it's not as if he were mentally subnormal.

 

[Clio]

Suggesting why VT needs to shift the timeline

Steven Morris
Lickley says Tabak lying about the time of the killing. Pros says it took place around 8.50pm. Tabak says about 9.30pm.
Martin Evans
If the killing took place around 8.45pm what was he doing with her body until he left home after 10pm, Mr Lickley asks.
Steven Morris
Prosecution suggests Tabak is keen to say killing took place later because that would leave him spending less time with body....

And on why he said he moved her to the bedroom

Skynewsgatherer
Lickley suggests that Tabak told the jury he moved Joanna's body to cover up the fact that "something" happened in the bedroom.
Steven Morris
Why did Tabak say he moved the body into her bedroom. It was, says pros, because her earrings were found there....
Skynewsgatherer
Lickley reminded the jury of the evidence given by Joanna's boyfriend Greg that he found her earring in the bed.
Steven Morris
"Something happened in the bedroom," says Lickley. That is why "shrewd" Tabak says he moved the body there after Yeates' death.
Steven Morris
Prosecution alleges that Vincent Tabak did not move the body for more than an hour after the killing

 

[bos]

I'm with you Veggiefan; it's persuasive if you do a lot of inferring but less so if you look at the small number of actual facts! Where has Lickley's assertion that the attack happened at 20:49 come from??

 

[Luna15]

something that jumped out at me

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
"Was the thud the door closing, the difficult door?" suggests Mr Lickley.

first we've hear of a 'difficult door' isn't it??

 

[edgedweller]

I'm with you Veggiefan; it's persuasive if you do a lot of inferring but less so if you look at the small number of actual facts! Where has Lickley's assertion that the attack happened at 20:49 come from??

From time of screams heard I think. But surely JY was walking past the Hophouse pub at 8.44 (clock might be wrong though) - Rupert Evelyn said it was a 7 minute walk for him (in non-slippy conditions, she would possibly have taken more time) to no.44.

I would guess more like 8.55 if the prosecution is right. I thought the Lehmans said that the closest they could get to an actual time was between 8.50 and 9pm (by asking friends what time they arrived at the party).

 

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I'm with you Veggiefan; it's persuasive if you do a lot of inferring but less so if you look at the small number of actual facts! Where has Lickley's assertion that the attack happened at 20:49 come from??

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
"Mr Lickley says that four people heard the screams putting the time of the attack at 8.49pm."
38 minutes ago

 

[FiestyFairy]

I am sensing there is much more to VT than we know, and certainly some very strong suggestions about the sexual nature of the crime. I wonder if VT had far more exotic browing history than most before he killed her?

 

[Luna15]

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
"Mr Lickley says that four people heard the screams putting the time of the attack at 8.49pm."
38 minutes ago

I wonder if they used the CCTV of the neighbour down the road to get an accurate time? they were accurate that he left his house at 10:13 to set off to Asda

I am sensing there is much more to VT than we know, and certainly some very strong suggestions about the sexual nature of the crime. I wonder if VT had far more exotic browing history than most before he killed her?

I wonder if this was inadmissable and we might get to hear about it afterwards.

 

[veggiefan]

From time of screams heard I think.

The prosecution is not being particularly honest about the times of screams:

"NL talking about witness Harry Walker's account of hearing screams on Dec 17th between 2015 and 2050 in the evening"

... Harry Walker actually said that he heard the scream at about 8.30pm, as he prepared to sit down for pudding with his girlfriend.

 

[Luna15]

something else that jumped out at me

@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Mr Lickley said Joanna had time to only take her coat off, let the cat out, put the oven on and take a sip of cider."

so Greg must have bought it back in when he left for Sheffield, and the cat would only have been out for a few minutes as well.

 

[Luna15]

BeebJournalist Andrew Plant
#Tabak prosecution: "evidence of multi-focal bruising on neck, indicative of a hand changing position",

Harriet Tolputt
Jury told how two drop earrings were missing. Mr Lickley holds up a bag with the earrings in. They were found in bedroom.

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Rupert Evelyn
NL 'Miss Yeates' top and bra were disturbed. it looked as though the items were pulled up. The defendant denied doing that'

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'Vincent Tabak carried on squeezing until she died'.

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'the neck compression would be painful, Miss Yeates would have found it difficult to breathe'. #yeates #Tabak

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'it took some time and some sufficient force to kill her. Miss Yeates was alive when he killed her'

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'JY died as a result of compression to the neck. The pattern of injuries suggested an episode of manual compression'

Rupert Evelyn
NL talking about the injuries found on Joanna's body. he says there was bruising to the neck suggesting pressure had been appplied

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'miss yeates was 5' 4" tall and weighed 9stone 3'

Rupert Evelyn
Nigel Lickley QC back on his feet continuing his closing speech

Rupert Evelyn
slightly longer than 10 minutes. Trial resumes.....

 

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@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Jury hear how Joanna's top had been pushed up and DNA from saliva or skin found on her breast. Tabak denies killing was sexual."
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone

 

[edgedweller]

something else that jumped out at me

@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Mr Lickley said Joanna had time to only take her coat off, let the cat out, put the oven on and take a sip of cider."

so Greg must have bought it back in when he left for Sheffield, and the cat would only have been out for a few minutes as well.

I thought Greg let the cat OUT, and then it came in with Joanna... but I might be wrong.

 

[Luna15]

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Rupert Evelyn
NL 'he didn't simply say no comment, he actively attempted to deceive both his legal advisers and the police'.

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'he says he acted on legal advice in answering no comment. Ultimately it was his choice to answer questions or not'

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'he was told by the police his silence could count against him'

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'we say it's not panic but a very cool intent' to cause at least Grievous Bodily Harm

Rupert Evelyn
NL on arrest VT was described being 'shaky and somewhat shocked. he then began his deception of the police'. #Tabak #yeates

Rupert Evelyn
NL 'suggestion from the DNA is that it was saliva or skin cells' found on her chest. 'why deny it's sexual?' says Lickley QC

 

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@skynewsgatherer
Harriet Tolputt
"Lickley says he told police he ate pizza to cover his tracks should they ever find the box he discarded from Joanna's flat."
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone